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Should Jemele Hill be fired?

Should Jemele Hill be fired?

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Moot said:
She's a journalist and was hired to give her opinions on a range of topics, not just sports.

Connecticut has a state law that says employers can't fire someone for exercising their first amendment rights. So in this case, no...the employer doesn't have the right to terminate her. If you want to know more about it then read the link I provided.
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She can exercise her rights but her employer can set standards. She can say what she wants when she's not on company time. I don't know if she'll be fired, but if she is, it will not have violated her rights. Just as ESPN can fire a reporter that uses the "n" word, they can fire her. To do so is not a violation of her rights.
 
HowardBThiname said:
She can exercise her rights but her employer can set standards. She can say what she wants when she's not on company time. I don't know if she'll be fired, but if she is, it will not have violated her rights. Just as ESPN can fire a reporter that uses the "n" word, they can fire her. To do so is not a violation of her rights.
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If you're just going to ignore everything I said then what is the point in responding to your posts? I suggest you read the article I posted and then we'll talk.
 
Elvira said:
On someone else's dime? NO...
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I don't watch that station, and think it isn't mandatory to do so. Generally, it isn't easy to find something to watch anymore, that's true. Wherever you turn you are lectured in some way, whether it is supple or more direct. We have to pick and choose what we are exposed to.
 
ecofarm said:
If the subject was an old white hetero guy making racist, sexist and/or homophobic remarks, this thread would already have a hundred posts defending his 1st Amendment rights, crying about liberal bullies and supporting whatever bigoted statement is in question.
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No, we'd have more "Yes! Fire him!"
 
Huckabee/Trump broke the law by pressuring a private company to fire an employee. ...... 18 US code 227

This law essentially states certain government employees -- including the president, vice president and "any other executive branch employee" -- are prohibited from influencing the employment decisions or practices of a private entity (such as ESPN) "solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation."

Breaking this law can lead to a fine or imprisonment up to 15 years -- possibly both -- and could lead to disqualification from "holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States."

Lock em up!
 
ecofarm said:
If the subject was an old white hetero guy making racist, sexist and/or homophobic remarks, this thread would already have a hundred posts defending his 1st Amendment rights, crying about liberal bullies and supporting whatever bigoted statement is in question.
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Actually...I dont think the subject is about a bitter angry hate filled black woman and her comments, but rather a media outlet that already fired an old white hetero making what was deemed to be a transphobic comment about men using womens bathrooms. He made his comment on Social Media. He was fired by ESPN.

I dont think she should or shouldnt be fired. Thats ESPNs choice. But if they have any integrity whatsoever, they would fire her. If you have any integrity you would acknowledge their hypocrisy if they dont. I suspect you will instead make an excuse about how 'thats different'.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Huckabee/Trump broke the law by pressuring a private company to fire an employee. ...... 18 US code 227

This law essentially states certain government employees -- including the president, vice president and "any other executive branch employee" -- are prohibited from influencing the employment decisions or practices of a private entity (such as ESPN) "solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation."

Breaking this law can lead to a fine or imprisonment up to 15 years -- possibly both -- and could lead to disqualification from "holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States."

Lock em up!
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Its not a question of partisan political affiliation. What stupid person gave you that notion, knowing you would eagerly parrot it?
 
Superfly said:
All the bull **** that Trump is saying, and y'all are whining about Jemele Hill? Charlottesville? White supremacy? Everything that is going on, and THIS is what you all are pissed about?

Pot? Meet kettle. You're black.

Oh, and that's not a racist comment for those of you clearly unable to discern the difference.
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Someone recently posted a link to the thread a few years back regarding the firing of Paula Dean for 'free speech'. Your name figured prominently in the posts on that thread-as in SOMEONE using your login commented in that thread...a lot. Care to guess which side you took back then?
 
VanceMack said:
Its not a question of partisan political affiliation. What stupid person gave you that notion, knowing you would eagerly parrot it?
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I believe his name is Shaub. He used to oversee ethical behavior at the WH. He doesn't any more, and look what happened.
 
Manc Skipper said:
I believe his name is Shaub. He used to oversee ethical behavior at the WH. He doesn't any more, and look what happened.
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You should have referenced his work...Then others would have known that an apparent hack originated the stupid comment and not you...you just repeated it.
 
Bucky said:
Jemele's Hill controversial past:



https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/...jemele-hill-was-suspended-for-hitler-comment/



https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/906912296420757504





Jemele Hill’s Politics: 5 Fast Facts You Need toÂ*Know

IMO Jemele Hill is a rebel-rouser. Extremely rude and controversial. ESPN is a sinking shink and has been a giant anchor on Disney. If Disney wants to save face, they should fire Hill, who brings nothing to the table for a Sports Network.

Someone like that shouldn't be employed by a legitimate employer. Her comments on 9/11 for goodness sakes were just hateful and disgusting.
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One turns to sports to get away from the daily grind. Especially politics. Any commentary on ESPN should be dealing with sports only in my opinion. Now if politics enters the sports arena such as Kaepernick, discuss it. Discuss Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier in baseball, etc. All dealing and in the sporting arena. The rest needs to depart ESPN ASAP and be voiced on a political talk show on MSNBC or something.
 
That is up to ESPN. If they can withstand this kind of rhetoric and the subsequent scrutiny it brings, so be it. If they can't then Hill will get canned, so be it.

I support free speech, but when it reflects upon your employer free speech does not ensure an individual's right to keep their job.

When it comes to private entities, I vote with my pocketbook. Stopped watching ESPN (other than the occasional live broadcast) about a decade ago because I got tired of their shtick.
 
ecofarm said:
If the subject was an old white hetero guy making racist, sexist and/or homophobic remarks, this thread would already have a hundred posts defending his 1st Amendment rights, crying about liberal bullies and supporting whatever bigoted statement is in question.
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No he would have been fired by now!
 
2nd bench broadcaster at best looking for attention and she got it.
It's up to ESPN to decide what to do with her.
If you are unhappy with her remarks don't watch ESPN.
 
graeme104 said:
I think she should be fired. What she says is completely uncalled for and offensive.
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Possibly, but by that logic Trump should also lose his job. Maybe they could be co-anchors on some station, doing point-counterpoint by insulting people.
 
It is my understanding that Hill made her recent comments on her personal twitter account.
Usually anyone who has a contract with media has a clause that states that if they act unbecoming in word and actions that reflects poorly on the company it will be grounds for dismissal.

ESPN has in the past fired others over political remarks, Schilling fired, Cohn suspended, Rush Limbaugh fired, Mike Ditka, Chris Broussard too and Britt McHenry whose views are politically conservative. But as long as a commentator spews radical social justice Bernie Sanders mantra they skate by. Hill, has been given multiple passes along with her co-host what's his name. She get's slap on the hand and Cohn got suspended. But it is their call and no one else's. This latest ordeal with Hill just further highlights the hypocrisy of the man in charge at ESPN and maybe someone should fire him.
 
Lovebug said:
I don't watch that station, and think it isn't mandatory to do so. Generally, it isn't easy to find something to watch anymore, that's true. Wherever you turn you are lectured in some way, whether it is supple or more direct. We have to pick and choose what we are exposed to.
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True and you would think sports would be a safe topic to watch in order to get away from all the back biting of politics...
 
Elvira said:
She is not being paid to voice her political opinion...or any opinion outside of sports, for that matter...
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everybody has the right to voice their opinion, even Jenelle. As long as she does not do this as representative of ESPN or on ESPN television, she should be allowed to voice their opinion and as long as her employer does not see a reason to fire here then that is fine by me.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The topic is what Jamele said... not what the press briefings say. :lol:
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The topic is whether or not she should be fired...what she said is relevant and considering the press briefings are addressing the issue they are entirely relevant as well.

You're lucky...the basement requires 250 post's and thirty days of membership to DP...timeframe is obviously no problem for you...there is no rule that the requirement is for 250 intelligent post's so...whew...you still qualify.

That is good news...nobody will be tasked with reading all of your post's to try and find up to nearly 1/2% of them that exhibit intelligence...it is optional.

:popcorn2:
 
Peter King said:
everybody has the right to voice their opinion, even Jenelle. As long as she does not do this as representative of ESPN or on ESPN television, she should be allowed to voice their opinion and as long as her employer does not see a reason to fire here then that is fine by me.
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"As long as she does not do this as representative of ESPN or on ESPN television", unless they allow it!

At least it appears she may be truthful in her opinion...perhaps that is the issue?

I don't recall anyone calling for Trump to be fired when he spewed his lies about Obama as regards his birth...it's a freedom we allow.

Trump never apologizes for anything but he sure wants one when his little feelings get hurt.

Unreal. How anyone supports his lies and double standards is beyond me to figure out.
 
Moot said:
If you're just going to ignore everything I said then what is the point in responding to your posts? I suggest you read the article I posted and then we'll talk.
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I'm not ignoring it. I simply disagree with the sources that think she's protected.

From your link:

In a 2006 case, Garcetti v. Ceballos, the Supreme Court limited First Amendment protections for government employees. When government employees speak in the capacity of their job, and not as a private citizen, that speech is not protected.
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She crossed the line when she labeled him a "white supremacist" because there is no evidence that backs that up. That makes her comments slanderous (the written one's libelous), and ESPN doesn't really want to be sued.

Also from your link:

Schwartz, who does not believe the statute prevents ESPN from disciplining Hill, said there is a fair argument to make that Hill’s speech interfered with her job performance. As a high-profile ESPN employee, part of her job is to attract sponsors and viewers, and her comments could have alienated them.

“If you have sponsors who are refusing to support a show, then at what point does it materially interfere with performance?” Schwartz said. That “has to be part” of ESPN’s ability to look at what on-air staff does.
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VanceMack said:
Someone recently posted a link to the thread a few years back regarding the firing of Paula Dean for 'free speech'. Your name figured prominently in the posts on that thread-as in SOMEONE using your login commented in that thread...a lot. Care to guess which side you took back then?
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Nope. I know exactly what side I took back then. Paula Deen lost her empire because she used racist terms, and built a culture of racism in and around her businesses. If Jemele Hill called Trump a derogatory racial slur, that's one thing. She did not. She called him a white supremacist (which he kind of is, based on his actions (and inactions) ).

So there's a difference. One person lost everything because they were a racist.

The other person is being demonized for speaking out against racism.
 
Superfly said:
Nope. I know exactly what side I took back then. Paula Deen lost her empire because she used racist terms, and built a culture of racism in and around her businesses. If Jemele Hill called Trump a derogatory racial slur, that's one thing. She did not. She called him a white supremacist (which he kind of is, based on his actions (and inactions) ).

So there's a difference. One person lost everything because they were a racist.

The other person is being demonized for speaking out against racism.
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Free speech is free speech...until its not free speech.

Believe me...I knew were you were coming from before you responded.
 
VanceMack said:
Free speech is free speech...until its not free speech.

Believe me...I knew were you were coming from before you responded.
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Of course you did. :roll:

Free speech is not absolute. If you can't see the difference between what Deen (and Trump and his minions) said, and what Hill said, considering the fact that I have already explained it to you, then your mind will not be changed, and I'm not even going to bother. I have hurricane clean up to do.
 
Bucky said:
Jemele's Hill controversial past:



https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/...jemele-hill-was-suspended-for-hitler-comment/



https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/906912296420757504





Jemele Hill’s Politics: 5 Fast Facts You Need toÂ*Know

IMO Jemele Hill is a rebel-rouser. Extremely rude and controversial. ESPN is a sinking shink and has been a giant anchor on Disney. If Disney wants to save face, they should fire Hill, who brings nothing to the table for a Sports Network.

Someone like that shouldn't be employed by a legitimate employer. Her comments on 9/11 for goodness sakes were just hateful and disgusting.
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I don't agree with much of the the commentator says but if ESPN is good with it she shouldn't be fired...
 
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