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Is being born white a privilege? [W:357]

Is being born white a privilege?


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There is no proof of white privilege. You can keep telling yourself that it's a real thing, but you'd still be wrong. You have yet to prove that it is real - why - because you can't, it does not exist. But you keep doubling down on the stupidity like you always do, it's entertaining.

Statistics prove it beyond any doubt, housing, employment, justice system, etc.

Majority privilege is a sociological fact. You are ignorant about it, obviously. You probably don't have a clue what it is or what causes it.
 
Everyone got to see how well Privilege works over the last couple weeks in both Texas and Florida.
 
The "white privilege movement". Hahaha

1. Less obstacles in housing. Easier employment. Softer justice system.

a. Didn't we just have a housing crisis because we gave loans to people based on this?
b. if you are in a culture that doesn't value education, yet have easier access to scholarships and what not, how is that anyone elses fault?
c. double edge sword, there are cases where it is softer, but dispraportionatly commit crimes.


2. Enact programs to address the issue, such as affirmative action.


read the question again. if I am to feel eternal guilt and shame for being born white (working poor white), what should I personally do to atone for "white privilege"?
 
a. Didn't we just have a housing crisis because we gave loans to people based on this?
b. if you are in a culture that doesn't value education, yet have easier access to scholarships and what not, how is that anyone elses fault?
c. double edge sword, there are cases where it is softer, but dispraportionatly commit crimes.

All else being equal, the stats prove it beyond any doubt. It's basic sociology education. If you really want to understand the concept, call any sociology professor.


read the question again. if I am to feel eternal guilt and shame for being born white (working poor white), what should I personally do to atone for "white privilege"?

You completely misunderstand the concept. Race is incidental. The majority (power) always seeks to perpetuate disproportionate power for itself. This goes for race, gender, economic class, sexual orientation, etc.

It really has nothing to do with being white.
 
a. Didn't we just have a housing crisis because we gave loans to people based on this?
Good grief, the CRA myth...again. CRA loans defaulted at EXTREMELY low levels, far below private mortgages.
b. if you are in a culture that doesn't value education, yet have easier access to scholarships and what not, how is that anyone elses fault?
The legacy of separate but equal has wound down some, but public schools have become more segregated over the last 20 years.
c. double edge sword, there are cases where it is softer, but dispraportionatly commit crimes.
Whut?





read the question again. if I am to feel eternal guilt and shame for being born white (working poor white), what should I personally do to atone for "white privilege"?
You don't have to feel any guilt, the object has always been to make folks aware of its continuing existence and to work towards ending it. If you don't recognize the problems, you might be part of the problem.
 
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Re: Is being born white a privilege?

Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
Says the guy who apparently proved his own negative to himself:

There is no proof of "white privilege"
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There is no proof of white privilege. You can keep telling yourself that it's a real thing, but you'd still be wrong. You have yet to prove that it is real - why - because you can't, it does not exist. But you keep doubling down on the stupidity like you always do, it's entertaining.

Still bobbin' and weavin', Red. Let's assume just for the sake of argument that it is you in the picture below your moniker.


A says: Red is not bobbin' and weavin'. [A negative statement]

B says: Yes, he is and it can be proven. Look at his picture.

1. Why is there such a thing as Affirmative Action in the USA? Is AA for white folks?

2. Why have legislators since shortly after Brown vs Board of Education 1954 been establishing policies precisely for AA? Is AA for white folks?

3. Why does the USSC still recognize its validity right up to today? Is AA for white folks?

4. Do all these legislators and USSC justices live on a different planet?

5. How come you didn't included US farm subsidies in your discussions of what is NOT an entitlement?
 
You just throw fecal matter at the walls and hope it sounds informed. Please expound.


I didn't see a lot white privilege when it came to Storm Surges, or who got Emergency Response, or who will be needing help for years to come.

I didn't see anyone get waved off for help or get turned away for shelter based on the color of their skin.

So like I said, Everyone got to see how well Privilege works over the last couple weeks in both Texas and Florida.

Now ... that may read like throwing fecal matter at the walls to you, but visual coverage showed different.
 
This may help, RHh.

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Explaining White Privilege To A Broke White Person | HuffPost

Explaining White Privilege To A Broke White Person
By Gina Crosley-Corcoran

Years ago some feminist on the Internet told me I was “privileged.”

“THE F&CK!?!?” I said.

I came from the kind of poor that people don’t want to believe still exists in this country. Have you ever spent a frigid northern-Illinois winter without heat or running water? I have. At 12 years old were you making ramen noodles in a coffee maker with water you fetched from a public bathroom? I was. Have you ever lived in a camper year-round and used a random relative’s apartment as your mailing address? We did. Did you attend so many different elementary schools that you can only remember a quarter of their names? Welcome to my childhood.




You need to summary that crap for me. :lol:



I grew up working poor in a very minority majorty poor poor area of NYC, The Lower East side, in the 80's and 90's as well as Newark NJ. There were even then tons of special scholarships that were not available to me as a white kid. I tried to become NYPD and was told even though I scored in the top 1% that because I was not a black or a woman I was ineligible. I wonders how I should have I "checked my privilege" then?
 
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It's easy to look at the 50,000 foot view with mere black vs white statistics and make an assumption of "white privilege" or racism about the difference but the argument totally falls apart when those stats are examined in any detail. You have to ask more insightful questions like which ethnicity within the broader non-white categories is dragging down their average and why. Why do Nigerian Americans have a median household income of $62,086 while Somali Americans only have an median of $22,368? How is it that Indian Americans have the highest median at over $100,000 while the closest white ethnicity clocks in at over $20,000 less? How does "white privilege" explain that or the stark differences within the broader category of "Black?"
 
Re: Is being born white a privilege?

It's easy to look at the 50,000 foot view with mere black vs white statistics and make an assumption of "white privilege" or racism about the difference but the argument totally falls apart when those stats are examined in any detail. You have to ask more insightful questions like which ethnicity within the broader non-white categories is dragging down their average and why. Why do Nigerian Americans have a median household income of $62,086 while Somali Americans only have an median of $22,368? How is it that Indian Americans have the highest median at over $100,000 while the closest white ethnicity clocks in at over $20,000 less? How does "white privilege" explain that or the stark differences within the broader category of "Black?"
Sigh...won't link whut data set it is referencing.
 
read the question again. if I am to feel eternal guilt and shame for being born white (working poor white), what should I personally do to atone for "white privilege"?

There's no reason for you to feel guilt and shame. That is not the issue. I am as white as a newly emptied white flour sack. I feel no guilt, nor do I feel any shame for being born white. Such a notion is ludicrous, as ludicrous as others feeling shame for being born Black, Hispanic, ... but many actually do. And there is a reason for that.

Please read the article written by the dirtiest poor white upbringing that could ever be, as described and stated by the writer herself.

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Explaining White Privilege To A Broke White Person | HuffPost

Explaining White Privilege To A Broke White Person
By Gina Crosley-Corcoran
 
I didn't see a lot white privilege when it came to Storm Surges, or who got Emergency Response, or who will be needing help for years to come.

I didn't see anyone get waved off for help or get turned away for shelter based on the color of their skin.

So like I said, Everyone got to see how well Privilege works over the last couple weeks in both Texas and Florida.

Now ... that may read like throwing fecal matter at the walls to you, but visual coverage showed different.




So you expect me to take your feelings, and what you claim to saw as evidence.... Sorry man, don't believe you. I think you drew a conclusion, and lack the facts to back it up.
 
You need to summary that crap for me. :lol:


You have to read the whole article. It is written by a white women who seemingly experienced a worse growing up poor than what you describe.


I grew up working poor in a very minority majorty poor poor area of NYC, The Lower East side, in the 80's and 90's as well as Newark NJ. There were even then tons of special scholarships that were not available to me as a white kid. I tried to become NYPD and was told even though I scored in the top 1% that because I was not a black or a woman I was ineligible. I wonders how I should have I "checked my privilege" then?

Excellent point. But something seems very very odd. Only Blacks and women were being considered for NYPD? Did this policy last for years?
 
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Uh-huh-huh...good jerb:

An error has occurred in American FactFinder

That's your problem. The site is fine and rather than deflecting you could attempt to answer those questions. Not for me, because I already know the data leaves your "white privilege" argument with more holes than Swiss cheese, but for the benefit of others.
 
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There's no reason for you to feel guilt and shame. That is not the issue. I am as white as a newly emptied white flour sack. I feel no guilt, nor do I feel any shame for being born white. Such a notion is ludicrous, as ludicrous as others feeling shame for being born Black, Hispanic, ... but many actually do. And there is a reason for that.

Please read the article written by the dirtiest poor white upbringing that could ever be, as described and stated by the writer herself.

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Explaining White Privilege To A Broke White Person | HuffPost

Explaining White Privilege To A Broke White Person
By Gina Crosley-Corcoran




jeshus....



"“I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.”

given the population of the united states is majority white, that would be expected, just as if I lived in thailand, I would not be concerned with a lack of white people being represesnted. TV and media is OVERREPRESENTED of all sorts of minorities, as well as off color jokes towards whites that would NEVER fly the other way.


“When I am told about our national heritage or about ‘civilization,’ I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.”
We are also shown the folly of the slave trade, and how the south depended on it etc etc. history isn't like it was in the 50's. We have black history month, we have minority studies, etc.


“If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven’t been singled out because of my race.”
there are over 20 million traffic stops a year, are a few racist, I am sure, but you have a media hyped racist cop agenda when the real issue is militarization of police, it's not a race thing.

“I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.”
So can any group. People tend to prefer to be just there. but I am not even sure what this means.


“If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area, which I can afford and in which I would want to live.”
myth, again over hyped to reach a conclusion.


“I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.”
again, hyped. and in reverse, are you suggesting a white person, moving into harlem was never harrassed.



“I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.”
Media hyped. does it happen, sure, but how is that a "privilege" I share? Poor white people, are followed and harrassed in certain stores as well.


“If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.”
Is that white privilege, or journalistic privilege. I doubt they'd publish anything I wrote.




But I don't discriminate to whom I rent.
I don't discriminate to whom I hire.
I don't harrass people who come into my business based on skin color.
I am pleasant to all my neighbors.
I don't teach history
I am not a cop


Therefore, I seem to have nothing to be concerned with, yet, I must acknowledge, but do what now, with white privilege?





Your author suffers from the same illogical conclusion that is "white privilege". you named something, but didn't tell me what I am supposed to do with this information.
 
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That's your problem. The site is fine and rather than deflecting you could attempt to answer those questions.

Site might be fine, but yer link does not work in chrome or ie.
 
You have to read the whole article. It is written by a white women who seemingly experienced a worse growing up poor than what you describe.




Excellent point. But something seems very very odd. Only Blacks and women were being considered for NYPD? Did this policy last for years?



Rainbow coalition. I was literally told I was not black (or other minority, but he said black) or a woman, I would not be hired. Guliani ended the process.
 
So you expect me to take your feelings, and what you claim to saw as evidence.... Sorry man, don't believe you. I think you drew a conclusion, and lack the facts to back it up.

I have no expectations from you or your feelings.

I gave my opinions on the subject, no different than you ... regardless of your privilege, and regardless of your approval.

I guess the next step is to make a management complaint, because I didn't give you the answer you want to hear.

Too Bad, welcome to 2017, where less Privilege is the norm.
 
I have no expectations from you or your feelings.

I gave my opinions on the subject, no different than you ... regardless of your privilege, and regardless of your approval.

I guess the next step is to make a management complaint, because I didn't give you the answer you want to hear.

Too Bad, welcome to 2017, where less Privilege is the norm.





You made a nonsensical claim, and when challenged to back it up, your response was that your were unable to, dismissed.,
 
Re: Is being born white a privilege?

Being born at all is a privileged.

Being born in any sort of race or situation can give you statistical likelyhoods of certain advantages and disadvantages, and it's very difficult to very impossible to objectively weight them all together.... and those that do, are embracing sophistry.
 
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