Is being born white a privilege? [W:357]

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X Factor said:

You'd have to show me that the large majority of white people are where they are (wherever that is) is simply due to their race.

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I have to show you that the white majority in America has produced a condition where whites hold the overwhelming majority of wealth in the US? Would that satisfy?

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X Factor said:

You'd have to show me that the large majority of white people are where they are (wherever that is) is simply due to their race.

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Again, I can show you the "what", the levels of wealth distribution by race.

If you want the "how", the path of how white culture in the US was able to achieve these levels of wealth differentials as compared to other races....well that would require I explain to you how US whites were able to dominate blacks, hispanics, native americans....throughout US history. Do you REALLY need me to explain this history? Seriously?

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slick said:

Is being born white a privilege? Not in Zibabwe!

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Isolated events aside, whites enjoy privilege everywhere as the global power majority.

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ecofarm said:

Isolated events aside, whites enjoy privilege everywhere as the global power majority.

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Please take your racist bigotry elsewhere. I hear the KKK is recruiting, you would get along fabulously.

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PirateMk1 said:

Please take your racist bigotry elsewhere. I hear the KKK is recruiting, you would get along fabulously.

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Majority privilege is a sociological fact. Race is incidental. You obviously have no understanding of the concept whatsoever.

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Gimmesometruth said:

Again, I can show you the "what", the levels of wealth distribution by race.

If you want the "how", the path of how white culture in the US was able to achieve these levels of wealth differentials as compared to other races....well that would require I explain to you how US whites were able to dominate blacks, hispanics, native americans....throughout US history. Do you REALLY need me to explain this history? Seriously?

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Just showing me that there are white people that have money and power wouldn't prove anything. Show me that there's no other reason for regular white people to have the jobs or income they do other than their race. I mean, is that really what you believe? No whitey has any hand in their own success?

Having white privilege means people will never automatically label me as a terrorist/terrorist supporter. Having white privilege means I'm not going to continually be asked and expected to apologize and condemn terrorism incidents around the world that I have absolutely nothing to do with.

Having white privilege means I'm not always going to be blamed and hated for things that I have absolutely no control over.

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X Factor said:

You're a sell out because of white privilege?

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No. White privilege allows me to not give a damn about the racism or lack thereof which may or may not exist in the minds of those who sign my check.

Serenity said:

Having white privilege means people will never automatically label me as a terrorist/terrorist supporter. Having white privilege means I'm not going to continually be asked and expected to apologize and condemn terrorism incidents around the world that I have absolutely nothing to do with.

Having white privilege means I'm not always going to be blamed and hated for things that I have absolutely no control over.

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Like "white privilege"? Based on this, I can say for certain that I do not have it. I've pretty much had every one of these things happen, not due to my race, but because of my religion and political beliefs.

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calamity said:

No. White privilege allows me to not give a damn about the racism or lack thereof which may or may not exist in the minds of those who sign my check.

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Why do you want to work for and help people you're sure must be racist?

Here's some interesting history regarding US voting rights for those who deny white privilege exists and how it played a huge part in who we were, how we developed as a nation, and who we are today.
http://massvote.org/voterinfo/history-of-voting-rights/

From its outset...

...the right to vote begins in America as a legal privilege almost exclusively available to white, property-owning, Protestant men. 1788: With the ratification of the Constitution, all slaves are counted as 3/5’s of a single person on the national census. 1790: The Naturalization Act bars all persons of Asian descent from becoming naturalized. Only “free white” immigrants are recognized as eligible for naturalization. 1792: New Hampshire becomes the first state to eliminate its property requirements, thereby extending the right to vote to almost all white men.

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X Factor said:

Just showing me that there are white people that have money and power wouldn't prove anything.

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Well of course it would, it would be very strong evidence of the MACRO claim that whites have power because of the accumulated wealth they hold.

Show me that there's no other reason for regular white people to have the jobs or income they do other than their race. I mean, is that really what you believe? No whitey has any hand in their own success?

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You are conflating a (white) dominate culture in a country (the US)....with....the achievement of an individual. No one is making an argument that EVERY SINGLE PERSON will rise and that EVERY SINGLE ACHIEVEMENT is due to race. There are factors that CAN play into how a white individual in the US has become wealthy due to his race from those existing, built-in advantages. But you are in denial of those advantages, and you are trying to turn the argument into an absolute. I have never denied some individuals do achieve based on their own abilities, hell your side continuously points to individual blacks that achieve high levels of wealth. That isn't the argument. The argument is that in the macro, the big picture, there still exists in this country, a country dominated by whites since its beginnings, factors that allow whites to get further ahead than other races.

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X Factor said:

Why do you want to work for and help people you're sure must be racist?

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I have no idea if they are racist. I just know that by seeing their political affiliations online that they are not SJW who would look to hire black people over whites in order to advance some "liberal" agenda, which is what the person I originally responded to was suggesting.

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FreedomFromAll said:

Perhaps one or more of those white people subscribe to the notion of white privilege? They might have a person of color in mind instead of a white guy. In other words quit stereotyping white people.

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Gimmesometruth said:

Well of course it would, it would be very strong evidence of the MACRO claim that whites have power because of the accumulated wealth they hold. You are conflating a (white) dominate culture in a country (the US)....with....the achievement of an individual. No one is making an argument that EVERY SINGLE PERSON will rise and that EVERY SINGLE ACHIEVEMENT is due to race. There are factors that CAN play into how a white individual in the US has become wealthy due to his race from those existing, built-in advantages. But you are in denial of those advantages, and you are trying to turn the argument into an absolute. I have never denied some individuals do achieve based on their own abilities[SUP][/SUP], hell your side continuously points to individual blacks that achieve high levels of wealth. That isn't the argument. The argument is that in the macro, the big picture, there still exists in this country, a country dominated by whites since its beginnings, factors that allow whites to get further ahead than other races.

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So showing me that there are individual white people who have money/power is "strong evidence" of white privilege but countering that there are wealthy/powerful minority people and poor/powerless white people is a strawman? Seems legit.

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calamity said:

I have no idea if they are racist. I just know that by seeing their political affiliations online that they are not SJW who would look to hire black people over whites in order to advance some "liberal" agenda, which is what the person I originally responded to was suggesting.

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Well first of all, this would allow for the possibility that there are white Republicans that aren't racist and I know you don't believe that. Also, why are you willing to take even the chance of enriching people that, according to you, are more likely than not to be racist? Are you just ok with benefiting from racism? You're all talk?

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ecofarm said:

Majority privilege is a sociological fact. Race is incidental. You obviously have no understanding of the concept whatsoever.

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I see you've taken a page out of the global warming nutjobs playbook and adjusted your terminology. Yet you just said that white people who are in fact a minority on this planet are still somehow "privileged" as you put it. Race is incidental? Hmmmm. I smell bull****. I smell racist tripe masquerading as academic learned thought. Its interesting who spouts this same type of bull**** over time. This same **** was spouted by Sanger, and the eugenics fanboys, the Nazi's, and every other sorry racist darwinistic mother****er since time immemorial. Your Hugo Boss uniform is waiting and don't forget the Deaths Head and the double lightning bolts, you wouldn't want your uniform incomplete.

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X Factor said:

Well first of all, this would allow for the possibility that there are white Republicans that aren't racist and I know you don't believe that. Also, why are you willing to take even the chance of enriching people that, according to you, are more likely than not to be racist? Are you just ok with benefiting from racism? You're all talk?

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Strawman argument again.

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X Factor said:

So showing me that there are individual white people who have money/power is "strong evidence" of white privilege but countering that there are wealthy/powerful minority people and poor/powerless white people is a strawman? Seems legit.

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The part you highlighted was NOT ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL, SINGLE, WHITE HOUSEHOLD, it was an aggregate of each quintle of the wealthy....or a breakdown of the top 5% of US households.....a breakdown of wealth by race....NOT OF INDIVIDUAL SINGLE HOMES. Why in the hell do you have so much trouble understanding what appears to me to be very clearly explained arguments?

Do you understand the word "conflate"?

Again, of course there are wealthy minority individuals, I never said there were not. That is not a counter to the fact that there exists still in this country factors that cause one race to have advantages in the MACRO over other races. The two examples are not mutually exclusive. Both examples can be true, you can have minority individuals achieve great levels of wealth while there still exists factors that give advantage to one group over another. You are still trying to make this an absolute argument....when it is not.

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Given that whites commit suicide at twice the rate of blacks, I'm pretty certain no white privilege exists. If whites are so privileged, why are they so tired of their privileged lives?

Being raised in a two-parent family, however, is a distinct privilege. Only 7 percent of black, two-parent families live in poverty. Compare that to 22 percent of white two-parent families living in poverty.

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HowardBThiname said:

Given that whites commit suicide at twice the rate of blacks, I'm pretty certain no white privilege exists. If whites are so privileged, why are they so tired of their privileged lives?

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Perhaps privileged people cannot handle hardships when they pop up. I can see that. Black people are used to be **** upon. So, they maybe roll with it better than whites, who are often a bit soft and whiny, if you ask me. I can see them being incapable of overcoming unexpected tragedies, if you ask me.

Being raised in a two-parent family, however, is a distinct privilege. Only 7 percent of black, two-parent families live in poverty. Compare that to 22 percent of white two-parent families living in poverty.

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I call bull****. Your numbers do not match reality.




You either misread the numbers or saw them through biased eyes.

Re: Is being born white a privilege?

HowardBThiname said:

Given that whites commit suicide at twice the rate of blacks, I'm pretty certain no white privilege exists. If whites are so privileged, why are they so tired of their privileged lives?

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I'm going to project a cause from 2 tiny, insignificant statistics, 1.7% of deaths..and 0.8% of deaths, respectively. Never mind that when dealing with such tiny subgroups very small changes has a big effect on any comparisons, let alone error rates in classification...but I'm gunna assume I can...cuz....reasons.

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Gimmesometruth said:

You are confused, the graph on poverty data was completely separate discussion from the Krivo/Peterson analysis. The graph represents the total level of poverty each ethnic group experience, it in no way shows "all white neighborhoods are advantaged". The statement "whites live almost exclusively in highly advantaged neighborhoods" is backed by the fact that only 10% of the white population live in poverty (from the census data). This in combination with the fact that black urban neighborhoods have much worse conditions (lack of supportive community organization structures, libraries, access to public transportation, etc) beyond the the simple census measure of household income.

Again, @ 90% are not living below the poverty line, and the analysis is looking at more than absolute income.You are making a false conclusion not stated by Krivo/Peterson. Because they did not say what you are saying.You are producing the lies.You changed the words, you changed the meaning, you did not read the document.

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I understated the problem now; you didnt read your own link.

This quote is from your link: "Indeed, whites live almost exclusively in highly advantaged neighborhoods, while blacks and Latinos reside in highly disadvantaged local communities"

The part of the hypothesis that fails is that while, yes, Per capita There are more people of color disadvantaged. And that most certainly needs addressed. ANd the paper is spot on that more dangerous areas are more prone to violent crimes. Obviously the conditions of the people in that area are in need of improvement, no doubt that people stereotype people in those areas.

My plight is that there are still more white people in poverty because there are more white people. The argument of white privilege ignores the fact that there are a lot of white in the same situation as people of color. Poor people must rent what they can afford. That creates what some people call slums. Slums are in every city, town, county and area. The white people living in poverty are treated no better than people of color in poverty. ANd you do not agree then you are out of touch with poor white Americans. Business owners view poor white people the same as any other disadvantaged group; people that you do not trust and are lazy. Just look how Conservatives view anyone on welfare. Its a stereotype that transcends races. It depends how people are dressed, how they behave or if they look they could be on drugs. Most church going white right leaning families view white poor people as trash, sinners and riff raff. They do not trust those white people anymore as people of color because they see them as failed white people.

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calamity said:

You either misread the numbers or saw them through biased eyes.

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My bad -- I misread the 22% on this chart to be two-parent families.

But still, the suicide rate is higher for whites and it's not because they're "soft" -- it's because life doesn't feel privileged to them.

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PirateMk1 said:

I see you've taken a page out of the global warming nutjobs playbook and adjusted your terminology. Yet you just said that white people who are in fact a minority on this planet are still somehow "privileged" as you put it. Race is incidental? Hmmmm. I smell bull****. I smell racist tripe masquerading as academic learned thought. Its interesting who spouts this same type of bull**** over time. This same **** was spouted by Sanger, and the eugenics fanboys, the Nazi's, and every other sorry racist darwinistic mother****er since time immemorial. Your Hugo Boss uniform is waiting and don't forget the Deaths Head and the double lightning bolts, you wouldn't want your uniform incomplete.

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I have no idea what all that craziness is or means.

The important thing is that you understand: majority privilege assigns no racial attributes, race is incidental. There's nothing racist or bigoted about the concept.

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HowardBThiname said:

My bad -- I misread the 22% on this chart to be two-parent families.

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Yeah. I figured it was something like that. No worries.

But still, the suicide rate is higher for whites and it's not because they're "soft" -- it's because life doesn't feel privileged to them.

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Think of it this way. If you spend most of your life battling hardship (most blacks), a few more set backs later in life are no big deal. Now, if you spend most of your life living well, facing few serious challenges (most whites), a major setback later in life is a disaster because you have developed no coping skills.