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Is being born white a privilege? [W:357]

Is being born white a privilege?

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Re: Is being born white a privilege?

calamity said:
Turned 63 today. That's only 10 years older than me.
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Yeah, there certainly is white privilege.
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Is being born white a privilege? Not in Zibabwe!
 
RedAkston said:
There is no proof of "white privilege". There is no chart or graph or source to prove such nonsense. It's a made up term that white liberals created to try to make everyone else feel bad about their "guilt". Trying to argue with someone who believes that it's real is like trying to argue with someone that unicorns are real.
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To me this one of those on line phenomenons to me that I find fascinating. I never met any civil person IRL that thought white privilege is made up. Doesn't even matter what they are, conservative, liberal etc. I've hear people bitch about people using it as false escape goat but never anybody civil deny it. Makes me so curious why this is, if its a geographical thing, an embarrassment thing, what?. Don't get me wrong, of course I haven't asked everybody I know but every time I have heard it talked about or mentioned in some type of media I've never heard anybody say it's made up. Very weird.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
I am sorry, I was trying to be vague in my description
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I see. I have hired people, (self employed contractors for long term) and so I have an idea about the process. Its more complicated and less so than one would believe. Its complicated in the fact that many positions have skill and experience and personality requirements that are not generic and vary employer to employer, employees are not generic either. At the same time these positions lots of times are filled by people known previously to the employer. Hence the saying its not what you know, but who you know. A partially true saying. Who know gets you in the door, what you know keeps you from leaving from said door.

I think people are misconstruing so called white privilege/advantage with something far less sinister which is the lack of knowing people who can employ your services. For instance if you are a recent migrant to this country then you know very few people, who can employ your services. If you live in a impoverished area minority or not same thing applies, most likely the people you know cant employ your services. Its basically a lack of a network that includes people of means.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
I see. I have hired people, (self employed contractors for long term) and so I have an idea about the process. Its more complicated and less so than one would believe. Its complicated in the fact that many positions have skill and experience and personality requirements that are not generic and vary employer to employer, employees are not generic either. At the same time these positions lots of times are filled by people known previously to the employer. Hence the saying its not what you know, but who you know. A partially true saying. Who know gets you in the door, what you know keeps you from leaving from said door.

I think people are misconstruing so called white privilege/advantage with something far less sinister which is the lack of knowing people who can employ your services. For instance if you are a recent migrant to this country then you know very few people, who can employ your services. If you live in a impoverished area minority or not same thing applies, most likely the people you know cant employ your services. Its basically a lack of a network that includes people of means.
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You are assuming a lot, lot's of people cant get themselves out of bed and to the job ontime most every day, and once there follow instructions.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
You are assuming a lot, lot's of people cant get themselves out of bed and to the job ontime most every day, and once there follow instructions.
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Ah yes, that problem. Its hard to find good help these days. Most end up self employed, wondering were the good help is.
 
Re: Is being born white a privilege?

Gonzo Rodeo said:
But we consistently talk about these advantages in the absence of real world conditions. I mean, can a your really say being born a crack baby in an American inner city comes with advantages over being born to a kut-chewing 12 year old in Nigeria?
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Only it does, because Nigeria doesn't even begin to have the infrastructure to deal with that poverty you're discussing. I'm glad you gave up on the absurd argument that poor white people = no white privilege.
 
SheWolf said:
I can't think of any time in real life I have seen anybody attacked and called a racist. I have heard stories from other people. My sister once got upset with a guy. I think she told the guy she thought he was racist and didn't appreciate his language around her children. After hearing what she and my brother in law said, I can't disagree that his language was offensive, racist, and wrong to say around the children. Another time a white guy I know was attacked by a black woman. I can't remember everything he said occurred, but she sounded in the wrong.

What's the deal? You're so afraid of being called a racist, you can't have a conversation?

I don't understand or relate to that kind of fear. As I said, I know myself, and I am confident that I am not racist. If somebody attacks me, and they might, it's not going to make me feel incapable of speaking my mind on racial issues in the future. Why is that fear such a huge issue for you or other people?
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It used to be a bigger fear of mine until folks very similar to you overused it every time you had a disagreement with someone that it's become more of a joke now. Kind of a liberal who cried wolf thing. :D Frankly, in RL, it's a conversation I rarely get into because someone's race just isn't that important to me.
 
Re: Is being born white a privilege?

Slingshot Bob said:
I got mine, mine windows are shuttered, by me and I got adequate supplies to wheather Irma, 24 hours from now, the landscape will change.
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Be careful and be safe.
 
Re: Is being born white a privilege?

calamity said:
I very much doubt it. All the people I interviewed with are registered Republicans. I looked them up. :)

I'm in like Flynn....at least as far as white male privilege goes. Whether I sold myself or not is still up for grabs. But, I did get feedback from the owner of one of the companies who called to say everything clicked and I am their choice for the spot, pending standard background, reference and educational checks.

Oh, probably white privilege there too--knowing the owner.
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And your assumptions about them is that they're all racist? Why do you want to work for racists? Why do you want to work for people you clearly despise so much, you sell out?
 
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calamity said:
Are there white and black twins? :roll:

Looks like another strawman play by X.
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And yet, I called it completely accurately. If you get the job you interviewed for, you're assuming it's because of your race.
 
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Hatuey said:
Only it does, because Nigeria doesn't even begin to have the infrastructure to deal with that poverty you're discussing. I'm glad you gave up on the absurd argument that poor white people = no white privilege.
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But the white privilege argument implies this infrastructure is not as available or as accessible to minorities. Doesn't it?
 
RedAkston said:
There is no proof of "white privilege". There is no chart or graph or source to prove such nonsense. It's a made up term that white liberals created to try to make everyone else feel bad about their "guilt". Trying to argue with someone who believes that it's real is like trying to argue with someone that unicorns are real.
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"Majorities never have an advantage over minorities"
 
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slick said:
Is being born white a privilege? Not in Zibabwe!
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Do you live in Zimbabwe?
 
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Gonzo Rodeo said:
Yeah, there certainly used to be.
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Since she is the same age as my mother in-law and a significant number of DP members, I'd say it very much translates over to who is where and why today.
 
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X Factor said:
And your assumptions about them is that they're all racist? Why do you want to work for racists? Why do you want to work for people you clearly despise so much, you sell out?
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White privilege
 
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X Factor said:
And yet, I called it completely accurately. If you get the job you interviewed for, you're assuming it's because of your race.
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No. But, if I was black and did not get the job, it may very well have been because I was black.
 
Re: Is being born white a privilege?

FreedomFromAll said:
I did not switch, you did you were the one that thought sharing that graph was going to convince me that all white neighborhoods are advantaged. That is after all what you were responding too (in case you forgot to actually read my post).
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You are confused, the graph on poverty data was completely separate discussion from the Krivo/Peterson analysis. The graph represents the total level of poverty each ethnic group experience, it in no way shows "all white neighborhoods are advantaged". The statement "whites live almost exclusively in highly advantaged neighborhoods" is backed by the fact that only 10% of the white population live in poverty (from the census data). This in combination with the fact that black urban neighborhoods have much worse conditions (lack of supportive community organization structures, libraries, access to public transportation, etc) beyond the the simple census measure of household income.

So yes I have a problem with the analysis's credibility since it makes a stupid assumption that all whites live in advantaged neighborhoods
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Again, @ 90% are not living below the poverty line, and the analysis is looking at more than absolute income.
and all non-whites live in disadvantaged neighborhoods.
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You are making a false conclusion not stated by Krivo/Peterson.
Nothing in the paper proves that claim.
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Because they did not say what you are saying.
And really it cant, at least not without being a lie.
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You are producing the lies.
I do not care that it came from a university professor that doesnt change the lie into a truth.
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You changed the words, you changed the meaning, you did not read the document.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
You are confused, the graph on poverty data was completely separate discussion from the Krivo/Peterson analysis. The graph represents the total level of poverty each ethnic group experience, it in no way shows "all white neighborhoods are advantaged". The statement "whites live almost exclusively in highly advantaged neighborhoods" is backed by the fact that only 10% of the white population live in poverty (from the census data). This in combination with the fact that black urban neighborhoods have much worse conditions (lack of supportive community organization structures, libraries, access to public transportation, etc) beyond the the simple census measure of household income.

Again, @ 90% are not living below the poverty line, and the analysis is looking at more than absolute income.You are making a false conclusion not stated by Krivo/Peterson. Because they not say what you are saying.You are producing the lies.You changed the words, you changed the meaning, you did not read the document.
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I find all the strawman arguments against straight forward data on race vs poverty presented by deniers of WP to be very telling.

Giving them benefit of doubt--they do not understand WP.

Going by gut--they understand it but rather argue strawmen
 
Re: Is being born white a privilege?

calamity said:
I find all the strawman arguments against straight forward data on race vs poverty presented by deniers of WP to be very telling.

Giving them benefit of doubt--they do not understand WP.

Going by gut--they understand it but rather argue strawmen
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I know what FFA is doing by trying to undercut the data by turning it into some absolute argument....but I have no idea what X Factor is doing by refusing over and over again to say what would satisfy his requirement for proof.
 
Re: Is being born white a privilege?

Gimmesometruth said:
I know what FFA is doing by trying to undercut the data by turning it into some absolute argument....but I have no idea what X Factor is doing by refusing over and over again to say what would satisfy his requirement for proof.
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You'd have to show me that the large majority of white people are where they are (wherever that is) is simply due to their race.
 
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X Factor said:
Do white people deserve any kind of support or empathy or credit or is anything we accomplish entirely due to our race?
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I'd like to see an example of something uniquely created by whites. Something explained by this 0.2% difference in genetic makeup.
 
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