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Time for a new national anthem?

Time for a new national anthem?

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countryboy said:
They were the early settlers of what would become the United States, and why they are mentioned in the song. As a tribute to our Christian heritage.

And yes, it's true, you can pour what ever meaning you wish into the song. But that doesn't change the fact that the God written about in the lyrics, is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. ;)
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Native Americans were here well before the pilgrims on the land that later became the United States. Our heritage does include God, but many times, such as in the Declaration of Independence, it includes nature's God. Also known the God of deism, not Christianity.
 
MrPeanut said:
Native Americans were here well before the pilgrims on the land that later became the United States. Our heritage does include God, but many times, such as in the Declaration of Independence, it includes nature's God. Also known the God of deism, not Christianity.
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Lol, whatever gets you through the day bro.
 
Lutherf said:
I never cease to be amazed that some people have so little else going on in their lives that they can afford to dwell on such idiocy.
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Real men this week took time off whether taking vacation or unpaid leave from their day jobs and hopped into their trucks pulling their flat bottom boats and headed to Texas to rescue people in need. Yes, real men who no one knows their names waded in filthy flood waters, full of gators, snakes and fire ants to save strangers.

Real men and women showed up in Texas and Louisiana to volunteer their time in shelters.

Real men and women organized to collect donations for the flood victims and disperse them.

Real men and women as soon as the flood waters started to subside in neighborhoods showed up in large groups to disperse needed bleach, disinfectants to homeowners while assisting them in removing drywall, finish carpentry, floors, cabinets and anything else ruined by fllood waters then assisted them in sanitizing their homes.

Those are examples of what real men and women are involved in throughout this country on a daily basis. They are heroes with no names and no medals. And they sure as heck don't have time in their lives to be involved in such idiocy. Maybe if more folks got involved in things that truly make a difference, they wouldn't have time for idiocy either.
 
X Factor said:
It's puzzling you indicate support for those who fought against the existence of the U.S. but then go on to quote our Declaration of Independence as if you think the U.S. was, in fact, a good idea.
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What's even more puzzling is that you don't know the difference between the Preamble of the Constitution of the United States and the Declaration of Independence.
 
This Land is your Land. My choice.
 
The lyrics of the current national song are so brilliantly ironic in the year 2017 that changing to anything else, especially the syrupy God Bless America, would be a crime.
 
Serenity said:
Yes, they secured the assistance of most blacks with promises of freedom and equality. What a terrible thing to want to fight for :roll:
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That's how I feel about it. Fighting for freedom has been a mantra in America for a long time. Yes, it was horrible that blacks were forced to fight for their own "in America". And they did in two major wars on American soil.
 
X Factor said:
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]There was a discussion about Colin Kaepernick on Hannity's radio show yesterday and there was a guest defending saying our national anthem was racist due to some lines in the poem it was based on. Searching for those lines I came across this article;[/FONT][/FONT]
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Germany dropped the first two stanzas of "Deutschland über alles" after WWII. We can drop one stanza.
 
DiAnna said:
No. I love the Star Spangled Banner. When it's done well, and with the correct tempo, it never fails to give me goosebumps, and has since I was a little girl.

Of course, if people decide to change it anyway I suggest using My Country Tis Of Thee... that way olympic orchestras will have to learn one less tune, since we'll be sharing the music with God Save the Queen... you know, the national anthem of that pesky country that drove our ancestors over here in the first place. :lol:
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Wow, first mention of that song! When I was in 1st or 2nd grade I forget which, we sang 'My Country Tis Of Thee' long before
I even heard of the current national anthem.

'The song served as one of the de facto national anthems of the United States before the
adoption of "The Star-Spangled Banner" as the official anthem in 1931'

My country tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty,
Of thee I sing.
Land where my fathers died!
Land of the Pilgrim's pride!
From every mountain side,
Let freedom ring!

It would probably not be a favorite of the SJW but if there was to be a change it would suit me just fine.
 
X Factor said:
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]There was a discussion about Colin Kaepernick on Hannity's radio show yesterday and there was a guest defending saying our national anthem was racist due to some lines in the poem it was based on. Searching for those lines I came across this article;[/FONT][/FONT]
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I voted the other because I don't care. A national anthem has little to do with a national identity.

But if we were to change our national anthem I vote for Another one bites the dust by Queen.
 
X Factor said:
Ok, I say no and here's why. If we're supposed to view everyone who fought and died for the confederacy as traitors to the U.S., then certainly any freed slave that fought for the British in the battle for U.S. Independence was also a traitor too, right? Why not have some lines in there exalting their failure? Had they and the British been successful, there would be no United States.
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You're doing it again. I'd post a facepalm pic, but I don't want to give myself another headache.

I happen to really like the Star Spangled Banner. I don't know, but whenever I hear it, it makes me think of what Key might have been feeling at the time. Very well written.

American the Beautiful is just a poor copy of God Save the Queen.

This Land is Your Land would be a good choice, but because it was considered a protest song, certain "elements" of the US would never go along with it.
 
I prefer it unchanged.

Star spangled banner has power and impact. It also sums up our constant struggle with our identity as a warring nation on a quest for freedom.

America the Beautiful is far too provincial. Makes me feel like I'm at Sunday Church listening to a bunch of old ladies getting their weekly 15 seconds of fame.
 
X Factor said:
Thanks for that. That's actually pretty awesome.
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Been reading a biography of John Adams, it can be rather dry, so take spurts of reading it. One hell of a man, and came across some surprising information from that period, and that was one I found.
 
X Factor said:
I'm rejecting historical context and judging only by the light of today's standards now knowing that they were on the wrong side and that, therefore, makes them wrong. Do you wish they had won, because that would actually not surprise me.
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You just keep dodging, one dodge after another. You have yet to explain how a former slave fighting against those that enslaved him is morally equivalent to those that fought to preserve the institution of slavery.

Let me let you in on something, the biggest problem with the confederacy is not that they were traitors, it's the evilness of their cause. Furthermore, this notion that you cannot judge them by today's moral standards is nonsense. It is like saying that since antisemitism was rampant in Europe, we cannot judge the Nazis by today's moral standards.
 
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I'm fine with the anthem as is, though if I had the power to do so I would pick "Battlecry of Freedom".
 
This land is your land
 
X Factor said:
certainly any freed slave that fought for the British in the battle for U.S. Independence was also a traitor too, right?
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Technically, the rebels were the traitors. Nothing wrong with treason so long as the cause is just (and yes, everyone's idea of what is 'just' cause for treason will vary).
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
You're doing it again. I'd post a facepalm pic, but I don't want to give myself another headache.

I happen to really like the Star Spangled Banner. I don't know, but whenever I hear it, it makes me think of what Key might have been feeling at the time. Very well written.

American the Beautiful is just a poor copy of God Save the Queen.

This Land is Your Land would be a good choice, but because it was considered a protest song, certain "elements" of the US would never go along with it.
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It might surprise you to know, CC, that when they were having the discussion on Hannity, I actually considered that, if it does have some basically hidden lines to the effect of "**** all the slaves" or something like that, maybe we should consider changing it. Doing my own research though, about those lines and what they meant, I actually don't see anything wrong with them.
 
X Factor said:
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]There was a discussion about Colin Kaepernick on Hannity's radio show yesterday and there was a guest defending saying our national anthem was racist due to some lines in the poem it was based on. Searching for those lines I came across this article;[/FONT][/FONT]
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My goodness do some people have problems.
 
X Factor said:
It might surprise you to know, CC, that when they were having the discussion on Hannity, I actually considered that, if it does have some basically hidden lines to the effect of "**** all the slaves" or something like that, maybe we should consider changing it. Doing my own research though, about those lines and what they meant, I actually don't see anything wrong with them.
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"Hidden lines". The basic meaning of the national anthem is not that. It's reverence and love of this country and the hope that it will always be here.

You have to look at the overall message, X. That's why your thread fails on many levels, mostly on the moral equivalence level, but on some others, too.
 
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