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Should only the kicking officer be fired or should all watching cops be fired too?

What should happen with the officers seen in this video?

  • the kicking officer should be fired and prosecuted

    Votes: 10 62.5%

  • the kicking officer should just be fired

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • the kicking officer should just be suspended without pay

    Votes: 2 12.5%

  • the kicking officer should not be punished at all

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • the closest watching officer should be fired and prosected

    Votes: 3 18.8%

  • the closest watching officer should just be fired

    Votes: 2 12.5%

  • the closest watching officers should just be suspended without pay

    Votes: 2 12.5%

  • the closest watching officers should not be punished at all

    Votes: 2 12.5%

  • other other officers should be punished in this manner..........

    Votes: 3 18.8%

  • the other officers should not be punished at all

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • Total voters
    16
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This is a video from some of Gretna's finest police officers, well maybe not finest and one bad apple for sure.

The man on the ground is a burglar, bad guy I agree, but also a guy who surrendered and was handcuffed when this happened:



Should all the officers who did nothing while the officer over the suspect be fired and or prosecuted for failure to do their job/conspiracy/dereliction of duty? Or should just the kicking and hitting officer be fired and or prosecuted.

And I know this is not typical of what police officers do, especially now in Texas and all areas that are flooded but it is morons like these who give all of those good cops a bad name, a very bad name.

And the officer who is the main suspect hit, stepped on the suspect, pulled his gun and pointed it at his back while in cuffs and not resisting whatsoever and also kicked him a couple of times. He is already being prosecuted for his crimes and was fired.

So what do you think should be done with the officer who did the kicking and the officers who stood by and did nothing to prevent the crimes this officer was committing?
 
Re: Should only the kicking officer be fired or should all watching cops be fired too

Nothing ... there's only one way people like this learn.
 
Re: Should only the kicking officer be fired or should all watching cops be fired too

My choice the kicking officer fired and prosecuted, the closest watching just fired and no prosecution and the other officers who stood by and did nothing should be suspended or be forced to do desk duty and mandatory training so that they do not do it again (standing by while one of their own is blatantly violating the man's civil liberties and committing battery against a handcuffed suspect)
 
Re: Should only the kicking officer be fired or should all watching cops be fired too

Notice how he starts by pulling the perp across concret on his face right at the start...

WHY?......Good old American sadism of course....
 
Re: Should only the kicking officer be fired or should all watching cops be fired too

The kicking officer was arrested.

-Officer Robert Wallow kicking a handcuffed man as he lay on the ground in April 2016. Authorities Friday, Sept. 16, 2016, that Wallow was fired and arrested.


Gretna Police Chief Authur Lawson said his department is looking into why it took so long for the other officers who were on the scene April 22 to come forward with the excessive force information. He also said that another officer is on administrative leave related to the incident, but would not go into detail.

Police: Video shows former Gretna officer beating handcuffed sus - FOX 8 WVUE New Orleans News, Weather, Sports, Social
 
Re: Should only the kicking officer be fired or should all watching cops be fired too

Something like what Peter king mentions sounds good.

You reduce this with:
Cameras on all arrests/engagements
Better independent investigation and punishment of the police

Power + anonymity is a recipe for disaster. You plan for this by limiting the power and piercing the anonymity, which is what cameras and accountability deal with.

I think training is a secondary issue because if they aren't already being trained, we have issues.
 
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Mach said:
I think training is a secondary issue because if they aren't already being trained, we have issues.
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It's probably not so much that they aren't being trained, but that they are being trained in such a way as to think this behavior acceptable. And at some time it likely was. What are they being trained as/for? Because a lot of time it seems like they are trained to escalate a situation.

There needs to be quite a bit of reform, I believe, put into the system. Starting with the attitude of protecting their own, not prosecuting abuse, etc. I would say that, sadly, this is one of the least offensive displays of police brutality we've seen as of late. They get away with shooting people in the back. So there's a good portion to fix, and training/attitudes are part of that.
 
Re: Should only the kicking officer be fired or should all watching cops be fired too

police actions were consistent with the president's admonitions

 
Re: Should only the kicking officer be fired or should all watching cops be fired too

At a minimum the officer who kicked the handcuffed perp (criminal recklessness/battery) should be fired and prosecuted.

The witnessing officers disposition depends on circumstances .... violating department policy, filing a false report, dereliction of duty, collusion. Possibilities are letter of reprimand/suspension/resignation/termination.
 
Re: Should only the kicking officer be fired or should all watching cops be fired too

Hawkeye10 said:
Notice how he starts by pulling the perp across concret on his face right at the start...

WHY?......Good old American sadism of course....
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No. The guy was near a door or window. You can see the other officer watching the window/door. The officers thought there was another suspect, maybe two. The officer used the wall as a safe barrier. That part was fine. But, the kicking and punching crossed a line. The other officers did report the incident.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2016/09/robert_wallow_gretna_police_ki.html
 
Re: Should only the kicking officer be fired or should all watching cops be fired too

The officer should be fired and never work in law enforcement again. I don't know what led up to the arrest, but the man on the ground did not resist handcuffing and was lying very still when the officer kicked him.

The way to maintain respect for our officers is for the bad ones to get the boot.

This officer was out of hand, but I would not prosecute him. The kicks weren't terribly hard and he's already losing his career. That's enough. The other officers should only be disciplined if they covered for the kicking officer. Otherwise, no, they did nothing wrong.
 
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Ikari said:
It's probably not so much that they aren't being trained, but that they are being trained in such a way as to think this behavior acceptable. And at some time it likely was. What are they being trained as/for? Because a lot of time it seems like they are trained to escalate a situation.
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I suspect officers go through state-wide regulated training, and local training, etc., I can't imagine it simply doesn't occur, or they teach people to beat unarmed, on the ground people, etc.

For a minority of bad actors (but a minority of a huge institution which means a LOT of people):
No amount of training will prevent abuse of power when the cameras are off.
No amount of training will deter abuse of power if people who get caught abusing power, routinely get off without any serious punishment.

If police are held accountable with a bright light shining on bad behavior, they will find ways to improve outcomes, which may include better training, awareness, etc., but without those two things I don't see how the system can be "in control".
 
Re: Should only the kicking officer be fired or should all watching cops be fired too

HowardBThiname said:
The officer should be fired and never work in law enforcement again. I don't know what led up to the arrest, but the man on the ground did not resist handcuffing and was lying very still when the officer kicked him.

The way to maintain respect for our officers is for the bad ones to get the boot.

This officer was out of hand, but I would not prosecute him. The kicks weren't terribly hard and he's already losing his career. That's enough. The other officers should only be disciplined if they covered for the kicking officer. Otherwise, no, they did nothing wrong.
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He was assaulting someone that surrendered and posed no threat. He should be prosecuted, he may be the law but he is not above it.

EDIT: The others had a duty to protect the man from the officer, the severity of their punishment really depends on their involvement. At the least some form of corrective action or suspension, if they tried to cover for the officer then termination.
 
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Nap said:
He was assaulting someone that surrendered and posed no threat. He should be prosecuted, he may be the law but he is not above it.

EDIT: The others had a duty to protect the man from the officer, the severity of their punishment really depends on their involvement. At the least some form of corrective action or suspension, if they tried to cover for the officer then termination.
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Gretna PD is one of the few covens in the country for LEO who support the Alt Right.

He was rightfully fired and prosecuted.

The entire dept should take an 80 hour refresher on how to be a decent human being as well as a good LEO.
 
Re: Should only the kicking officer be fired or should all watching cops be fired too

JamesBY said:
Gretna PD is one of the few covens in the country for LEO who support the Alt Right.

He was rightfully fired and prosecuted.

The entire dept should take an 80 hour refresher on how to be a decent human being as well as a good LEO.
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I think you may have quoted the wrong person, while I don't know what leads you to believe the bit about Gretna PD being a coven for Alt-Right supporters, we agree on the firing and prosecution of the offending officer.
 
Re: Should only the kicking officer be fired or should all watching cops be fired too

Peter King said:
This is a video from some of Gretna's finest police officers, well maybe not finest and one bad apple for sure.

The man on the ground is a burglar, bad guy I agree, but also a guy who surrendered and was handcuffed when this happened:



Should all the officers who did nothing while the officer over the suspect be fired and or prosecuted for failure to do their job/conspiracy/dereliction of duty? Or should just the kicking and hitting officer be fired and or prosecuted.

And I know this is not typical of what police officers do, especially now in Texas and all areas that are flooded but it is morons like these who give all of those good cops a bad name, a very bad name.

And the officer who is the main suspect hit, stepped on the suspect, pulled his gun and pointed it at his back while in cuffs and not resisting whatsoever and also kicked him a couple of times. He is already being prosecuted for his crimes and was fired.

So what do you think should be done with the officer who did the kicking and the officers who stood by and did nothing to prevent the crimes this officer was committing?
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The one who did the kicking should be fired. The first other officer was looking for other suspects. Not sure how the other officers could have prevented the asshole from kicking him. Did he announce he was going to?
 
Re: Should only the kicking officer be fired or should all watching cops be fired too

justabubba said:
police actions were consistent with the president's admonitions

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Just stop. You know he was referring to the gang members that butchered those people on Long Island. I'd do worse to them then not guarding them so they don't bump their poor little head getting in a police car. Cry me a ****ing river.
 
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