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Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions revoked

Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions revoked


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Should Aryan Nations W Supremacists – Neo Nazis- have IRS tax exemptions revoked?

Yes - Why

No -Why

Other -Pls Explain

Revoking could open a slippery slope- Detailed explanation- substantiate your opinion?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/...-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

We suspect that many Americans would also be shocked to learn that a number of white supremacist groups — including the New Century Foundation, which hosts an annual conference that has included neo-Nazis, white supremacists, Ku Klux Klan members, Holocaust deniers and eugenicists — are exempt from taxation. (The National Policy Institute, directed by Richard Spencer, was another, until it lost its tax-exempt status this year after failing to file federal tax returns.) A recent Associated Press report said that over the past decade, four prominent white nationalist groups alone received over $7.8 million in donations.

Like museums, churches and schools, these groups do not have to pay taxes on a majority of their revenue. Donors to these groups can deduct their gifts, and real estate that the groups own is generally exempt from property taxes. In addition, in the eyes of the organization and the public, being tax-exempt confers a certain legitimacy.

The I.R.S., the agency in charge of enforcing these rules, must decide whether groups qualify for tax exemptions. It makes that decision impartially, meaning that organizations that, say, promote racist ideology are generally eligible for nonprofit status as long as they are organized for a qualifying purpose and otherwise meet the criteria for exemption. For many white supremacist groups, that claim is on educational grounds (established by I.R.S. criteria). After all, many on the far right, like Mr. Spencer and the operators of organizations like VDare, declare that they do not hate others but rather promote whiteness.

In 1983, the Supreme Court declared an extra-statutory rule for tax exemption — the “fundamental public policy” doctrine. In Bob Jones University v. United States, the court held that the I.R.S. could constitutionally revoke the tax exemption of a religiously affiliated university because its racist policy violated a “fundamental public policy.”


Link to SCOTUS decision

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/461/574

(c) The IRS did not exceed its authority when it announced its interpretation of § 501(c)(3) in 1970 and 1971. Such interpretation is wholly consistent with what Congress, the Executive, and the courts had previously declared. And the actions of Congress since 1970 leave no doubt that the IRS reached the correct conclusion in exercising its authority. Pp. 596-62.
(d) The Government's fundamental, overriding interest in eradicating racial discrimination in education substantially outweighs whatever burden denial of tax benefits places on petitioners' exercise of their religious beliefs. Petitioners' asserted interests cannot be accommodated with that compelling governmental interest, and no less restrictive means are available to achieve the governmental interest. Pp. 602-604.
(e) The IRS properly applied its policy to both petitioners. Goldsboro admits that it maintains racially discriminatory policies, and, contrary to Bob Jones University's contention that it is not racially discriminatory, discrimination on the basis of racial affiliation and association is a form of racial discrimination. P. 605.
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

They really have tax-exempt status?

Well I suppose if they have met the requirements, and hell Scientology is a "religion" I suppose.
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

They really have tax-exempt status?

Well I suppose if they have met the requirements, and hell Scientology is a "religion" I suppose.

Not sure how they are equal?
IRS has the authority to revoke. They have done this before.
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

I hate the **** out of White Supremacists, but I'm choosing to remain in a nation of laws: if we're treated equally under the law, and both according to the letter of the law, then I can't really spend any time worrying about their tax exemption status. The only issue I take with tax exempted institutions such as churches is when they use their 501c(3) status as a cover for actual business operations. If that's the case, then I have a problem with it, though that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with whether or not it's a White Supremacist institution.
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

Not sure how they are equal?
IRS has the authority to revoke. They have done this before.

They aren't. The "church" of scientology is a lean, mean, profit-making machine.
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

Should Aryan Nations W Supremacists – Neo Nazis- have IRS tax exemptions revoked?

Yes - Why

No -Why

Other -Pls Explain

Revoking could open a slippery slope- Detailed explanation- substantiate your opinion?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/...-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region




Link to SCOTUS decision

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/461/574

This question illustrates why we need tax reform. There are hundreds of "non profits" and foundations that would collapse under scrutiny.

I would strengthen the requirements a bunch.

You are suggesting using the IRS to settle scores like Obama did with Tea Party groups. Leave tax law to the IRS and "Black balling" to the congress, where they can be challenged in court.
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

Not sure how they are equal?
IRS has the authority to revoke. They have done this before.

Scientology is a cult and a scam. Pretty much sets the bar for who can have tax-exemption.
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

Political opinion/affiliation/beliefs of a group(as long as it is not a terrorist organization) is not the governments business.... that is my opinion.
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

This question illustrates why we need tax reform. There are hundreds of "non profits" and foundations that would collapse under scrutiny.

I would strengthen the requirements a bunch.

You are suggesting using the IRS to settle scores like Obama did with Tea Party groups. Leave tax law to the IRS and "Black balling" to the congress, where they can be challenged in court.

Nope- I am stating that the IRS enforce the law. Pls refer to the decision by SCOTUS.
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

Political opinion/affiliation/beliefs of a group(as long as it is not a terrorist organization) is not the governments business.... that is my opinion.

This is about tax deductions- It boils down to the Govt providing financial support by allowing donations to be deducted from taxes.
And your answer is?
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

Should Aryan Nations W Supremacists – Neo Nazis- have IRS tax exemptions revoked?

Yes - Why

No -Why

Other -Pls Explain

Revoking could open a slippery slope- Detailed explanation- substantiate your opinion?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/...-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region




Link to SCOTUS decision

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/461/574

I can think of no good reason any of them should have tax exempt status.
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

I can think of no good reason any of them should have tax exempt status.

Neither can I. The IRS does have the authority to revoke such status. Why they do not is the question.
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev


Well, you got me here on a number of elements...

First, I didn't even know that some white supremacist groups qualified under 501(c) status at all, much less as a 501(c)(3) which excludes political activity, and I would describe advocating for one particular racial group over any other racial group on a societal level, is most definitely a political activity. I never actually thought about it before now nor have I ever seen one of these groups from that light. But, I guess that if they qualify, and they aren't doing anything in contravention of the law, they qualify.

Second, and this wasn't completely covered in the article, a 501(c), (d), or (e) organization (which would of course include a 501(c)(3)) that is organized as an education organization (as was described in the OP article) can be eligible for a number of federal grants to include, but not limited to, FEMA Public Assistance under 44 CFR 221 through 44 CFR 226 to pay no less than 75% of the costs of debris removal, emergency protective measures the group takes to protect life and property, and to cover the costs of rebuilding the group's facilities such as their buildings, their roads and sidewalks, and any other facility that they own. I have a serious problem with tax dollars going to these groups. It's one thing for them not to pay taxes, it's another entirely different thing to me that they may actually be eligible to receive tax dollars to benefit their organization and their ideology.

Third, I don't have a clue how I feel about it. On one hand, as stated above, it makes me sick to my stomach that such groups are allowed to apply for federal grants to pay for some of their costs with tax dollars paid by US citizens. On the other hand, we have your option four point of the slippery slope, in that if white nationalists have been granted tax emption then surely BLM, the New Black Panther Party, and goodness knows who else has been granted the same - the Nation of Islam and the Westboro Baptist Church being great examples of First Amendment religious protections, which I firmly believe they have even though I vehemently disagree with everything they both stand for, mixed with hate of others, political activity and societal subversion by exempt groups.

Fourth... well, there is no fourth, yet. Other than to say again, I haven't a clue how I feel about this. I'm a staunch supporter of everyone's Constitutional rights, regardless of the person, or the group.

Let me thank you for bringing this to my attention because I was unaware of this situation and now I've got something that I will give a great amount of thought to and will probably discuss with my Congressman, and let me also fuss at you for bringing this to my attention, because now I'm going to be obsessed with trying to figure out how I can fight against these bastards getting tax dollars while still protecting the Constitutional rights of the assholes in these groups (if that's even possible).
 
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Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

I hate the **** out of White Supremacists, but I'm choosing to remain in a nation of laws: if we're treated equally under the law, and both according to the letter of the law, then I can't really spend any time worrying about their tax exemption status. The only issue I take with tax exempted institutions such as churches is when they use their 501c(3) status as a cover for actual business operations. If that's the case, then I have a problem with it, though that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with whether or not it's a White Supremacist institution.

Damned good post.
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

No: 1st Amendment. If we can do it to them, we can do it to anyone. That's a power I don't want the government to have.
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

Nope- I am stating that the IRS enforce the law. Pls refer to the decision by SCOTUS.

Are you saying those groups don't qualify for a tax exempt status?
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

Are you saying those groups don't qualify for a tax exempt status?

Nope- I am stating that SCOTUS has ruled on this. Did you miss that? you do believe in following the law??
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

No: 1st Amendment. If we can do it to them, we can do it to anyone. That's a power I don't want the government to have.

Wrong again- 1 A is not involved, tax deductions are. This in no way interferes with 1 A rights. What about this do you not understand?
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

Nope- I am stating that SCOTUS has ruled on this. Did you miss that? you do believe in following the law??

You said you want the IRS to enforce the law. What law has been broken by these groups?
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

Should Aryan Nations W Supremacists – Neo Nazis- have IRS tax exemptions revoked?

Yes - Why

No -Why

Other -Pls Explain

Revoking could open a slippery slope- Detailed explanation- substantiate your opinion?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/...-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region




Link to SCOTUS decision

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/461/574


Calling a religious point of view a "fundamental public policy" is more of that legislating from the bench cow dung that SCOTUS is popular for.

Thomas Paine, one of our founding fathers admonished the people:

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

It's too bad his words fall on deaf ears and blind eyes.
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

Wrong again- 1 A is not involved, tax deductions are. This in no way interferes with 1 A rights. What about this do you not understand?

You really believe that? :lamo
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

Should Aryan Nations W Supremacists – Neo Nazis- have IRS tax exemptions revoked?

Yes - Why

No -Why

Other -Pls Explain

Revoking could open a slippery slope- Detailed explanation- substantiate your opinion?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/...-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region




Link to SCOTUS decision

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/461/574

We would need to know the details, but in general it seems a very bad idea to allow the state to decide which political opinions to support and which to suppress.
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

You said you want the IRS to enforce the law. What law has been broken by these groups?

Read to OP- it is all there- As you are to lazy, i do not expect a coherent response
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

Calling a religious point of view a "fundamental public policy" is more of that legislating from the bench cow dung that SCOTUS is popular for.

Thomas Paine, one of our founding fathers admonished the people:

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

It's too bad his words fall on deaf ears and blind eyes.

So Neo Nazis and their ilk are espousing a religious POV?
 
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