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Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions revoked

Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions revoked

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Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

JANFU said:
This is about tax deductions- It boils down to the Govt providing financial support by allowing donations to be deducted from taxes.
And your answer is?
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If they meet the requirements for such deductions, it doesn't matter.
 
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JANFU said:
Not political - the SCOTUS made the decision based upon hate
Pls read the decision
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The USSC has become sadly politically biased by reinterpreting the language of the Constitution to please the gout du jour of the liberal paradigm. This is robbing it of legitimacy and has helped to cause a blow back best seen in Trump becoming President.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
WTF? This is not a right left issue, or a liberal conservative issue. It's about any group that claims tax exempt status as an educational organization under 501(c)(3), which prohibits political activity by groups under that part of the tax code, and also requires the group to be adding to the public good.

There are 29 different subparts to the 501(c) tax exempt section of tax law.

The section under 501(c)(3) covers the following: Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations.

The other sections are:
501(c)(1) – Corporations Organized Under Act of Congress (including Federal Credit Unions)

501(c)(2) – Title-holding Corporation for Exempt Organization

501(c)(3) – Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations

501(c)(4) – Civic Leagues, Social Welfare Organizations, and Local Associations of Employees

501(c)(5) – Labor, Agricultural and Horticultural Organizations

501(c)(6) – Business Leagues, Chambers of Commerce, Real Estate Boards, etc.

501(c)(7) – Social and Recreational Clubs

501(c)(8) – Fraternal Beneficiary Societies and Associations

501(c)(9) – Voluntary Employee Beneficiary Associations

501(c)(10) – Domestic Fraternal Societies and Associations

501(c)(11) – Teachers' Retirement Fund Associations

501(c)(12) – Benevolent Life Insurance Associations, Mutual Ditch or Irrigation Companies, Mutual or Cooperative Telephone Companies, etc.

501(c)(13) – Cemetery Companies

501(c)(14) – State-Chartered Credit Unions, Mutual Reserve Funds

501(c)(15) – Mutual Insurance Companies or Associations

501(c)(16) – Cooperative Organizations to Finance Crop Operations

501(c)(17) – Supplemental Unemployment Benefit Trusts

501(c)(18) – Employee Funded Pension Trust (created before June 25, 1959)

501(c)(19) – Post or Organization of Past or Present Members of the Armed Forces

501(c)(20) – Group Legal Services Plan Organizations

501(c)(21) – Black Lung Benefit Trusts

501(c)(22) – Withdrawal Liability Payment Fund

501(c)(23) – Veterans Organization

501(c)(24) – Section 4049 ERISA Trusts

501(c)(25) – Title Holding Corporations or Trusts with Multiple Parents

501(c)(26) – State-Sponsored Organization Providing Health Coverage for High-Risk Individuals

501(c)(27) – State-Sponsored Workers' Compensation Reinsurance Organization

501(c)(28) – National Railroad Retirement Investment Trust

501(c)(29) – Qualified Nonprofit Health Insurance Issuers
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It's absolutely a partisan issue. The Linerals are exhibiting, once again, that they only support free speech they agree with.
 
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Ikari said:
They really have tax-exempt status?

Well I suppose if they have met the requirements, and hell Scientology is a "religion" I suppose.
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Call me surprised. Who came up with that nonsense? Wow, must have made sense to someone at the time.
How interesting how easily loopholes can be found to slither through, and how easily one can misinterpret our laws to suit whatever. Wow.
 
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The Resister said:
I looked up Aryan Nations and this is what I come up with:

"Aryan Nations is a white supremacist[1] religious organization..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations

So, I'd say yes, they are a church.
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Lol. Of course. And drug cartels are also 'religious organizations'.
 
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I voted Yes. Because they are ****ing Nazis.
 
Re: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions rev

Hate mongers do not deserve tax breaks, they are not benevolent organizations and should not be gifted extra money for spreading their hatred. Only actual good causes should receive tax exempt statuses and actual faiths and only for actual benevolent works.
 
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Rogue Valley said:
Lol. Of course. And drug cartels are also 'religious organizations'.
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The Muslims, who teach they will either kill you or convert you, are a religious organization. There are "churches" that make a mockery of the Bible and promote sexual practices that are condemned and prohibited in the Bible.

The best example of the dual standards you seem to want to protect with such a statement is what just happened:

All across the country we witnessed the tearing down of Confederate monuments. Meanwhile, you don't want to allow unpopular groups to have a tax exempt status, but the separation of church and state crowd is awfully quiet about the presupposition that you cannot legislate morality - unless it is your version of it, of course. AND, speaking of the separation of church and state...

They just put up statue of Martin Luther King, Jr. in the Georgia Capitol. Imagine that! King was a communist, promoting a one race society and, through religion, selling people on the antithesis of the white supremacists position. So, we do have a state religion and they honor their religious figures with statues on government property (while yapping about a separation of church and state.)

I cannot defend the positions of Aryan Nations. And, if a drug cartel became a church, their belief in drugs is fully protected under the First Amendment. If they dabble in the illegal use of drugs they can be charged with a crime... just as an Aryan Nations group can be charged with crimes of violence if they assault others on the basis of religion.
 
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Peter King said:
Hate mongers do not deserve tax breaks, they are not benevolent organizations and should not be gifted extra money for spreading their hatred. Only actual good causes should receive tax exempt statuses and actual faiths and only for actual benevolent works.
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So Christians cannot abhor evil?
 
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The Resister said:
So Christians cannot abhor evil?
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Did I say that? Nope, did not. Only benevolent money/money earmarked for good causes should be tax exempt.
 
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DOH!!! Put in the wrong vote. Haven't had my coffee yet :(

Anyway. My view is that as long as they are engaged in legal activity, hate groups must be given equal treatment under the law. It doesn't matter if they espouse an ideology that everyone else views as morally flawed, they should only lose their tax-exempt status if there is solid evidence, as verified via due process, that the organization is engaged in illegal activity.
 
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Peter King said:
Did I say that? Nope, did not. Only benevolent money/money earmarked for good causes should be tax exempt.
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Who gets to decide what a "good cause" is?
 
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apdst said:
Who gets to decide what a "good cause" is?
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The one who decides on tax exempt organizations, those who want tax exemption should once a year report back to the IRS and if they did not use the money they got from their tax exemption on good causes they should get to pay back taxes. For example.
 
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Peter King said:
The one who decides on tax exempt organizations, those who want tax exemption should once a year report back to the IRS and if they did not use the money they got from their tax exemption on good causes they should get to pay back taxes. For example.
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You want the government to devide what qualifies as a "good cause"?
 
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apdst said:
You want the government to devide what qualifies as a "good cause"?
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Yup, if they decide who gets tax exemption they should also be able to decide if that is justified.
 
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Peter King said:
Yup, if they decide who gets tax exemption they should also be able to decide if that is justified.
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You want President Trump to have that power?
 
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All tax exemptions should be eliminated.
 
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The Resister said:
Now law came down? Surely you jest. I was studying law when the case was going on. From an article acknowledging it:

"The U.S. Supreme Court issued a landmark ruling in 1983 in a tax-exemption case. In that case, the 8-1 majority held that

Entitlement to tax exemption depends on meeting certain common law standards of charity — namely, that an institution seeking tax-exempt status must serve a public purpose and not be contrary to established public policy...."

https://www.theblaze.com/contributions/the-why-behind-the-irs-scandal/

Seems to me when the United States Supreme Court makes a ruling, the law has come down.

I looked up Aryan Nations and this is what I come up with:

"Aryan Nations is a white supremacist[1] religious organization..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations

So, I'd say yes, they are a church. I think they need to tone down their rhetoric and dissuade people from aligning themselves with political groups that advocate violence. Insofar as the racist part is concerned, the Muslims think they are something special; mainstream Christian churches have advocated the position the Jews are God's chosen people; the Mormons think they are a called out people for a purpose, etc., etc.

In a purely legal sense, I would worry that if we let the courts use public policy as a tool to legislate morality, any one of us may be targeted. If we aren't in a tiff over race, what will it be? What denominations should be allowed per public policy? What day of the week churches may worship on?
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The IRS has a strong case for revoking tax exemption. But if as you say you practice law, Wiki would not be acceptable to any Judge
 
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joG said:
The USSC has become sadly politically biased by reinterpreting the language of the Constitution to please the gout du jour of the liberal paradigm. This is robbing it of legitimacy and has helped to cause a blow back best seen in Trump becoming President.
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Tax exemptions are not always guaranteed. They must meet specific criteria, and as the SCOTUS decision stated, they should not have tax exemption.
 
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"Thread: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions revoked"

Yes. The IRS Code, 501C, specifically prohibits political activities. These groups are political by definition and just are trying to have their hate messages subsidized by the people that they hate.
 
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JANFU said:
The IRS has a strong case for revoking tax exemption. But if as you say you practice law, Wiki would not be acceptable to any Judge
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First, NOBODY argues a case on a discussion board

Secondly, you are not addressing the underlying issues

A) People have an unalienable Right to believe whatever they want to believe

B) Freedom of Religion is guaranteed in the First Amendment

C) The liberals argue a separation of church and state... where is the "separation" if the IRS can evaluate your religious beliefs?

D) The courts have created a brand new area of law called public policy. UNELECTED persons of whom we don't even know dictate the terms of this "public policy" which allows the courts to legislate from the bench

E) IF there is a separation of church and state, there is no legitimate reason for the government to tax the activities of the church

F) IF you get what you want at a price of tyranny in government (i.e. judges replacing your legislators) is it really worth it?
 
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MTAtech said:
"Thread: Should Aryan Nations - White Supremacists – Neo Nazis-have IRS tax exemptions revoked"

Yes. The IRS Code, 501C, specifically prohibits political activities. These groups are political by definition and just are trying to have their hate messages subsidized by the people that they hate.
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It doesn't prohibit political activities. It says that most of their activities have to be non-political.
 
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The Resister said:
First, NOBODY argues a case on a discussion board

Secondly, you are not addressing the underlying issues

A) People have an unalienable Right to believe whatever they want to believe

B) Freedom of Religion is guaranteed in the First Amendment

C) The liberals argue a separation of church and state... where is the "separation" if the IRS can evaluate your religious beliefs?

D) The courts have created a brand new area of law called public policy. UNELECTED persons of whom we don't even know dictate the terms of this "public policy" which allows the courts to legislate from the bench

E) IF there is a separation of church and state, there is no legitimate reason for the government to tax the activities of the church

F) IF you get what you want at a price of tyranny in government (i.e. judges replacing your legislators) is it really worth it?
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You consider them a Religion, and I believe you are wrong.
 
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apdst said:
It doesn't prohibit political activities. It says that most of their activities have to be non-political.
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Greetings, apdst. :2wave:

Which doesn't seem to be the case lately, unless I am confused about what the signs they are carrying are saying. :confused:
 
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JANFU said:
Tax exemptions are not always guaranteed. They must meet specific criteria, and as the SCOTUS decision stated, they should not have tax exemption.
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If there is arbitrariness in granting the subsidy it means government taking sides ex cathedra and Congress should not pass a law that allows it.
 
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