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New Atheism

Where do Atheists and agnostics stand politically?

  • More Conservative, but never Trump

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • **** yeah Trump.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Strict Libertarian

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • More Liberal

    Votes: 12 41.4%
  • Democratic Socialist

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 13 44.8%

  • Total voters
    29
Liberals are socialists, therefore you make no sense.

Religious are often conservative. If atheism moves towards libertarianism, religion moves towards authoritarianism. That's why there's a religious RIGHT.
 
This has a lot of truth in it but it really makes no sense for true conservatives to be heavily religious. The reason is religion, Christianity in particular, tends to attract a lot of people who screwed up their lives with alcohol or drug addiction, infidelity, or who are just plain mentally ill. They use their religion as a crutch. A true conservative wouldn't need a crutch or a cover-up. This is also why a lot of people call themselves both christian and conservative but in reality are neither!

Conservatives don't need a crutch? Why is that?
 
Because a true conservative believes in self-sufficiency, and therefore wouldn't need a crutch.

I have yet to ever meet a truly self sufficient conservative, but I have certainly met a lot of them that hypocritically thought they were.
 
Supposedly there are a lot of modern atheists who have been gravitating towards the Alt-Right or just general conservativism. This surprises me a lot actually, and I'm curious what level of truth there is to it. My hunch is that there are a lot of atheist libertarians, but as another thread and some recent articles I've read seem to indicate there are a lot of former libertarians that seem to be gravitating towards the alt-right as well.

What do you think? The poll is only for Atheists and Agnostics.

I do not self identify as either a Atheist or an Agnostic.

America was overrun by male dominator god religion adherents from Europe. And all male dominator god religions are based upon guilt, sin, blame, oppression, submission and control.

The thing is; this is about a perceptual reality. This disease, this way of looking at all life, and the planet, rolled out over the tribes of Europe first. We are all the decedents of tribes and a spiritual perceptual reality of the universe and the creator. That memory was wiped out of euro consciousness before they made landfall here, their enslavement having happened long before the disease rolled out across the rest of the planet via colonialism and proselytizing.

That perceptual reality was replaced with a male dominator god perceptual reality which gave rise to the notion that this male dominator god gave mankind, only the “chosen ones” mind you, dominion over the natural world, the planet, anything they “discovered”, and any other human beings they could manage to whip into consent. So you bring that into a technological perceptual reality era where we are now, and we’ve all been enslaved to/by an economic system that has no other purpose than to continue the colonization of all human beings, further redistributing and concentrating wealth into the pockets of fewer and fewer, much of that wealth coming from the natural world that was in place long before the humans who manipulate it into their own hands. In the same manner the system mines uranium or coal or gold, it also mines the energy, spirit, and soul of the human being to run these authoritarian systems that enslave us all. In essence, they mine the being part of the human being.

And so all of this racism, classism, sexism, religion, et.al. arises from the system’s need to keep the masses quibbling amongst themselves. The same applies to the american political system; it is designed to prevent any gathering of the masses against the aristocracy. It’s an illusion, this democracy and liberty. You have ostensibly “two” political parties who very comfortably don’t really have to do anything at all except point at the “other” party and with your consent present them as evil and scary; disconnected from what? Well, they’re not “real” americans like you and they don’t bow as deeply to the male dominator god as you do. Again, go back and look at Bacon’s Rebellion and the aftermath. The power structure learned that lesson very well. The system also learned very well from the 60-70s / the Viet Nam War / Civil Rights era, the last large scale questioning of our authoritarian system. The beast is bigger and stronger now.

It’s useful for all of us to go back and study our tribal ancestry, go dig into how they got “civilized”, invariably, it was anything but civil, that’s the great lie, it was very brutal stuff, they had to be brutalized into “accepting” the proper perceptual reality, and thus consent. And so now that the colonialism has become globalism, the power structure no longer has any national affiliations at all. That’s for YOU to hold onto, again, because it will feed into the unsubstantial people’s fighting amongst themselves so the system doesn’t have to, and so that the unsubstantial people will line up to go to war and die in endless wars over resources and turf someone else sits on that the system covets. It’s really no different than the manner in which any street gang goes after turf.

We have been with our own consent and participation indoctrinated into submission, consent, and acceptance of this authoritarian system that runs on our energy and labor just as surely as we’ve all been indoctrinated into hating and distrusting the only possible allies we have in this authoritarian system.

And so all our military conquest and occupation efforts in the middle east and across the globe, the economic cannibalization of our own society, the mass surveillance of citizens; this is all merely a continuation of the colonizing of human beings and perceptual reality reconfiguration originally brutally foisted upon the tribes of Europe. And the term atheist itself is merely an epithet for those who will not submit.

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I have yet to ever meet a truly self sufficient conservative, but I have certainly met a lot of them that hypocritically thought they were.

That's my point. Many people who call themselves conservative and christian are really not either one in the true definitions. But someone who is truly a conservative would be self-sufficient enough to support himself and his family, and get through life without the need for handouts or crutches.

Notice that many of these Jesus freaks are drug addicts, alcoholics, and even sex offenders. They claim to be reformed and have found the lord, but it's all a cover-up. What a bunch of hypocrites!
 
That's my point. Many people who call themselves conservative and christian are really not either one in the true definitions. But someone who is truly a conservative would be self-sufficient enough to support himself and his family, and get through life without the need for handouts or crutches.

Notice that many of these Jesus freaks are drug addicts, alcoholics, and even sex offenders. They claim to be reformed and have found the lord, but it's all a cover-up. What a bunch of hypocrites!

Many? Really? How many? Give me a ballpark percent, and back that up please.

And what does "self-sufficient" mean anyway? I'm checking because I'm generally pretty conservative and am also a practicing Christian. I'm certainly not prepared to live off-grid, but then I'm also a princess. ;)
 
That's my point. Many people who call themselves conservative and christian are really not either one in the true definitions. But someone who is truly a conservative would be self-sufficient enough to support himself and his family, and get through life without the need for handouts or crutches.

Notice that many of these Jesus freaks are drug addicts, alcoholics, and even sex offenders. They claim to be reformed and have found the lord, but it's all a cover-up. What a bunch of hypocrites!

Never seen a "conservative" politician or voter who wasn't after every advantage he/she could extract from the goverment for themselves, they just typically shat themselves if anything goes elsewhere.
 
That's my point. Many people who call themselves conservative and christian are really not either one in the true definitions. But someone who is truly a conservative would be self-sufficient enough to support himself and his family, and get through life without the need for handouts or crutches.

Notice that many of these Jesus freaks are drug addicts, alcoholics, and even sex offenders. They claim to be reformed and have found the lord, but it's all a cover-up. What a bunch of hypocrites!

I have also met a lot of triathletes, ultra-runners, long distance backpackers and so on that were former addicts. Often people trade one obsession for another.

That said, most Christians are not former addicts.
 
Many? Really? How many? Give me a ballpark percent, and back that up please.

And what does "self-sufficient" mean anyway? I'm checking because I'm generally pretty conservative and am also a practicing Christian. I'm certainly not prepared to live off-grid, but then I'm also a princess. ;)

Self-sufficient means paying your own way for expenses, not expecting taxpayers to shell out money for things like someone's lifestyle choice, their kids' education, or every time they fall on hard times because of improper financial planning. This is why true conservatives are against welfare in most circumstances. It doesn't mean living off the grid.
 
Never seen a "conservative" politician or voter who wasn't after every advantage he/she could extract from the goverment for themselves, they just typically shat themselves if anything goes elsewhere.

Ah, then they're not true conservatives, just conservatives or republicans in name only.
 
Self-sufficient means paying your own way for expenses, not expecting taxpayers to shell out money for things like someone's lifestyle choice, their kids' education, or every time they fall on hard times because of improper financial planning. This is why true conservatives are against welfare in most circumstances. It doesn't mean living off the grid.

What we do here is neither, and we subsidize the well to do all day, every day. You recall those socialist Wall Street/Banker baiouts. no?
 
Ah, then they're not true conservatives, just conservatives or republicans in name only.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, corporate america ya mean. And every "conservative" wants all the federal "jobs program" funding coming to their states. That's why the military industial complex is spread across all states and every politician better damn well bring home the bacon.
 
What we do here is neither, and we subsidize the well to do all day, every day. You recall those socialist Wall Street/Banker baiouts. no?

Refer to post #65. People who subsidize anybody or anything including big business are not true conservatives.
 
Refer to post #65. People who subsidize anybody or anything including big business are not true conservatives.

Then we have none and there is nothing conservative about our economic system or our political system. The entire thing is one festering neoliberal ****pile.
 
Then we have none and there is nothing conservative about our economic system or our political system. The entire thing is one festering neoliberal ****pile.

That's pretty close to accurate. In all seriousness, the American economic and political system is made up of checks and balances. There really is no truly liberal or truly conservative aspect to it.
 
That's pretty close to accurate. In all seriousness, the American economic and political system is made up of checks and balances. There really is no truly liberal or truly conservative aspect to it.

Horse ****, checks and balances? All open to manipulation via legislation as has been done over the past half century to redistribute societal wealth to the donor class, Wall Street banksters and the "job creator" class.
 
When did I do that? No argument, so you start lying?

Do you, or do you not, support single payer national defense?
 
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