Which one one of these traitors deserves a statue?

It seems like there a lot of Americans that want statues of people who commit treason against the United States to stand. Why not make more statues of more traitors?

99percenter said:

It seems like there a lot of Americans that want statues of people who commit treason against the United States to stand. Why not make more statues of more traitors?

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Because monuments are for the Victims now.

99percenter said:

It seems like there a lot of Americans that want statues of people who commit treason against the United States to stand. Why not make more statues of more traitors?

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How about this one?

In memory of the most brilliant soldier of the Continental army, who was desperately wounded on this spot, winning for his countrymen the decisive battle of the American Revolution, and for himself the rank of Major General.

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It honors Benedict Arnold.

99percenter said:

It seems like there a lot of Americans that want statues of people who commit treason against the United States to stand. Why not make more statues of more traitors?

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Maybe this one? Aaron Burr.

99percenter said:

It seems like there a lot of Americans that want statues of people who commit treason against the United States to stand. Why not make more statues of more traitors?

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Your perception is not reality.

99percenter said:

It seems like there a lot of Americans that want statues of people who commit treason against the United States to stand. Why not make more statues of more traitors?

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Snowden exposed how the 1% compiles your personal information, and turns it over to the federal government. Remember, George Washington was a traitor at one time too.

truthatallcost said:

Snowden exposed how the 1% compiles your personal information, and turns it over to the federal government. Remember, George Washington was a traitor at one time too.

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He didn't need to do that with thousands of documents If that was the only thing he did, fine. But he did expose too much classified material, and should be treated as a traitor.

Maybe not a statue but I'd darnn sure support a butt plug for Donald.

Why not all of the above? Enshrining our history, the good and the bad, and allowing for its reflection seems good principle to me...

Conaeolos said:

Why not all of the above? Enshrining our history, the good and the bad, and allowing for its reflection seems good principle to me...

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Yes, accurate history is needed. A statue isn't.

The left is all butt-hurt because heroes of the south have statues. If these great men only supported slavery, then I would agree. However, the civil war was about more than just slavery.

Lord of Planar said:

Yes, accurate history is needed. A statue isn't.

The left is all butt-hurt because heroes of the south have statues. If these great men only supported slavery, then I would agree. However, the civil war was about more than just slavery.

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Yeah, it was about the war that killed more Americans than any other. That's what those 'heroes' accomplished, what you want them honoured for. They started the war that wounded America so badly it still hasn't healed, 150 years later.
Did officers back then swear to defend the constitution?

Lord of Planar said:

Yes, accurate history is needed. A statue isn't.

The left is all butt-hurt because heroes of the south have statues. If these great men only supported slavery, then I would agree. However, the civil war was about more than just slavery.

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So traitors that commit treason against the US are considered heros in the south?

Lord of Planar said:

Yes, accurate history is needed. A statue isn't.

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You must just hate art :2razz: But I do agree it's not preserving history per say, but rather tapping into how sculpture and public art captures the imagination and begs questions and reflection about what we think - if you keep uncomfortable history in history books and museums you lose huge aspects of reflective value. Art is rebellion, contrarian, alternative-view points…in this more and more Orwellian world, I’d love to see more public art that beautifies but also challenges and seeks to break our conventional expectations and the safe politically correct world, even though I’d require not a dime of it be allowed to be commissioned from the public purse. "Libertarian for life!" eace alas even art has mostly fallen to SJWs and progressive these days…so I will not hold my breath.

As to these civil war statues…who cares why they were commissioned? A statue means what you make it mean. A statue can show dignity in the face of evil, it can show when faced with an enemy slapping us we turn the other cheek, it can show a culture unafraid of those who challenge it, it could be a reminder of vigilance, it can be a symbol of humanizing the enemy, a symbol of brothers spit by war, I suppose it could even be a rally cry to lost hope in slavery…the progressives choose to see it as a symbols of oppression they tear down with violence and orthodoxy…ask a psychoanalyst the meaning of that - being afraid of statues, I dare you… I truly think and this will sound loony so I hold it loosely, they are all a bunch of neo-pegans who see mischievous gods everywhere, even to the point that without giving up everything modern the great weather will end us all…it story as old as time but in all seriousness honestly when a statue is oppression, and I beleive they believe that, things ain’t going well in the psyche.

truthatallcost said:

Snowden exposed how the 1% compiles your personal information, and turns it over to the federal government. Remember, George Washington was a traitor at one time too.

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Washington was never a traitor to the US. Maybe to the British crown but never to the US.

99percenter said:

Washington was never a traitor to the US. Maybe to the British crown but never to the US.

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So you support pulling down the George Washington statue in Trafalgar square?

Grand Mal said:

Yeah, it was about the war that killed more Americans than any other. That's what those 'heroes' accomplished, what you want them honoured for. They started the war that wounded America so badly it still hasn't healed, 150 years later.
Did officers back then swear to defend the constitution?

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Yes, tensions were already in place, and they fired the first shot.

It was cause bu both sides though.

Actually, they were defending the constitution. It was the north that was treasonous, but was the victors. Hence, the history re-write.

Conaeolos said:

As to these civil war statues…who cares why they were commissioned? A statue means what you make it mean.

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I think this is key. These were men of honor for their time but modern day revisionists and agenda driven platforms of today make them out as evil.

99percenter said:

Washington was never a traitor to the US. Maybe to the British crown but never to the US.

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And if the south had won, we might be arguing that statues of president Grant, and others from the north be removed.

99percenter said:

It seems like there a lot of Americans that want statues of people who commit treason against the United States to stand. Why not make more statues of more traitors?

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Who exactly are you thinking of, when you talk about traitors to whom Americans want to erect memorials?

Lord of Planar said:

And if the south had won, we might be arguing that statues of president Grant, and others from the north be removed.

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I doubt Grant would have got a statue in the first place, had he lost. That's not how Northeners tick.

Sherman committed thousands of human rights atrocities by burning down white and black homes, crops, and basically starved the civilian population along the way to the coast.

The north won, so he is a hero.

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Benedict Arnold Plaque @ the Old Chapel, West Point USMA.

Lord of Planar said:

Yes, accurate history is needed. A statue isn't.

The left is all butt-hurt because heroes of the south have statues. If these great men only supported slavery, then I would agree. However, the civil war was about more than just slavery.

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And that right there is what a vast majority of the left, or left-leaning people are missing.

But common sense barely wins out in such a public forum.

Crovax said:

So you support pulling down the George Washington statue in Trafalgar square?

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Do you mean Horatio Nelson?


EDIT: My bad, shoulda googled first.

Fig it tear all statues down, make ammunition out of them!

Grand Mal said:

Yeah, it was about the war that killed more Americans than any other. That's what those 'heroes' accomplished, what you want them honoured for. They started the war that wounded America so badly it still hasn't healed, 150 years later.
Did officers back then swear to defend the constitution?

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The division started long before the Civil War, most southerners were unhappy with the first tariffs conceived in (1789?). Multiple generations had endured what they considered harmful tariffs to the south and beneficial tariffs for the north, and more stringent tariffs being imposed. Coupling the tariffs with the slave trade is what led to the Civil War.

Any corrections would be appreciated.