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What is Winning in Afghanistan Personally Worth to You?

I am willing to sacrifice the in the following ways for a win in Afghanistan

  • Enlist and volunteer to ship over

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • My life

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • The live of a close family member

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Permanent personal disability

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Disability of a close family member

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 10% of my net annual income

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 5% of my net annual income

    Votes: 1 9.1%

  • Any of the above involving my friends

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Hell no! Winning in Afghanistan is not worth any of the above.

    Votes: 10 90.9%
  • Total voters
    11
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Personally how important is winning in Afghanistan to you? What would you personally be willing to sacrifice for the US to win in Afghanistan?

Update: Please excuse all the typos in the poll. I had to type like a mofo to beat the clock before my poll turned into a pumpkin.

Update to the update: Mod persons, please feel free to correct my poll typos if you like. Thanks in advance.
 
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Since neither I, nor you, nor anyone knows what "winning" actually means in Afghanistan, it's worth nothing. Get out now.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Personally how important is winning in Afghanistan to you? What would you personally be willing to sacrifice for the US to win in Afghanistan?
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What would winning in Afghanistan look like?
 
Risky Thicket said:
Personally how important is winning in Afghanistan to you? What would you personally be willing to sacrifice for the US to win in Afghanistan?
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Even if I thought a "win" was attainable, I wouldn't sacrifice much of anything.
Certainly not my loved ones lives.
Just as certainly, no one else's loved ones lives.

Edit: Just saw the poll.
 
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Grand Mal said:
What would winning in Afghanistan look like?
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I'm with the above, need some fleshing out of your idea of "winning" look like? Hopefully not like all the winning the Administration is involved in!
 
Grand Mal said:
What would winning in Afghanistan look like?
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A definition would help, but no one seems to have a coherent definition other than "winning".
 
Risky Thicket said:
Personally how important is winning in Afghanistan to you? What would you personally be willing to sacrifice for the US to win in Afghanistan?
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I went with 5%....I might go with 10%....but again, what constitutes a win.
I actually think Trump might bumble around for a short while, declare victory and withdraw.
One can only hope.
 
Grand Mal said:
What would winning in Afghanistan look like?
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The multi-choice poll is based on the facts as we have them from the US government: Help Afghanistan become democratic; punish them for harboring Bin Laden; Stop the opium trade; Fight them their so we don't have to fight them here; Stabilize the region; End terrorism; Kill all the Taliban, etc. To my knowledge there has never been a clearing defined mission.

The Bush, Obama and now the Trump administrations have determined that winning in Afghanistan was/is worth ALL of the above in the poll and more.
 
I would define winning as no attacks on America or the west. Jeffersonian democracy is not in their future.
 
Risky Thicket said:
The multi-choice poll is based on the facts as we have them from the US government: Help Afghanistan become democratic; punish them for harboring Bin Laden; Stop the opium trade; Fight them their so we don't have to fight them here; Stabilize the region; End terrorism; Kill all the Taliban, etc. To my knowledge there has never been a clearing defined mission.

The Bush, Obama and now the Trump administrations have determined that winning in Afghanistan was/is worth ALL of the above in the poll and more.
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With a goal that hasn't been achieved since before the time of Christ on a number of levels...seriously, who wants to pay for that?
 
DJT is attempting to be able to say:"It didn't happen on my shift!"
 
Risky Thicket said:
Personally how important is winning in Afghanistan to you? What would you personally be willing to sacrifice for the US to win in Afghanistan?
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The terrorist/extremist groups that are prevalent in Alfghanistan, and elsewhere, is ideology driven - not politically driven.

It would be like trying to break people from their beliefs in Christianity in the US and/or elsewhere.

The Secretary of State said today that the goal of proliferating the war is to somehow break the Taliban into submission to get them to settle their differences at the negotiation table.

Uh huh, and then all can praise Jesus at the negotiation table if that happens.

There's a damn good chance that this will backfire just like Vietnam - maybe the worst US government decision - until Iraq and Afghanistan.

In my opinion, we have much more to lose by this new strategy. Obviously lessons were never learned from the past.

With the money spent thus far on Iraq and Alfghanistan - the US could create a security system so profound that it could stop the second coming of Christ within our Jurisdiction.

Thanks, Risky...
 
Lutherf said:
Dramatic drop in the availability of heroin?
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That would be good, but I think the synthetic opiates are the big problem nowadays.
Why waste your money on old-school blacktar heroin when you can get the lab produced super-powerful stuff?
I think we should bomb our pharmaceutical companies.;)
 
Removable Mind said:
The terrorist/extremist groups that are prevalent in Alfghanistan, and elsewhere, is ideology driven - not politically driven.

It would be like trying to break people from their beliefs in Christianity in the US and/or elsewhere.

The Secretary of State said today that the goal of proliferating the war is to somehow break the Taliban into submission to get them to settle their differences at the negotiation table.

Uh huh, and then all can praise Jesus at the negotiation table if that happens.

There's a damn good chance that this will backfire just like Vietnam - maybe the worst US government decision - until Iraq and Afghanistan.

In my opinion, we have much more to lose by this new strategy. Obviously lessons were never learned from the past.

With the money spent thus far on Iraq and Alfghanistan - the US could create a security system so profound that it could stop the second coming of Christ within our Jurisdiction.

Thanks, Risky...
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Excellent post, my good friend. I completely agree.

Whatever our government's definition of a winning mission in Afghanistan might be it is impossible... unless creating more chaos and loss of life at astronomical costs is the mission. If that's it, we've already won!

It is long past time to leave Afghanistan for good.
 
Removable Mind, I don't know how to pick out a portion of your post that I want to address without serious back spacing. If we had not gone to Iraq and Afghanistan, saving all that money, not to mention lives and limb, (I by no means mean to diminish the personal losses). Do you think we (powers that be) , would have used the funds wisely or would the money just be stuffed down another rabbit hole?
 
radioman said:
That would be good, but I think the synthetic opiates are the big problem nowadays.
Why waste your money on old-school blacktar heroin when you can get the lab produced super-powerful stuff?
I think we should bomb our pharmaceutical companies.;)
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No doubt the synthetics have contributed greatly to the problem which is made worse when the addicted are cut off from their meds...I wonder if opium harvest's are up...seems to be easy enough to get heroin...from what I've heard.
 
I'll gladly sacrifice my neighbor, Earl. Gear up his RV and send him in there.
 
I've had family serve in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

It's time for Donald Jr, Eric, Jared, Tiffany, and Ivanka to saddle up.
 
phattonez said:
Since neither I, nor you, nor anyone knows what "winning" actually means in Afghanistan, it's worth nothing. Get out now.
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It would be far more to America's wealth to bend weak Russia to our will than doing anything with Afghanistan.
 
Rexedgar said:
Removable Mind, I don't know how to pick out a portion of your post that I want to address without serious back spacing. If we had not gone to Iraq and Afghanistan, saving all that money, not to mention lives and limb, (I by no means mean to diminish the personal losses). Do you think we (powers that be) , would have used the funds wisely or would the money just be stuffed down another rabbit hole?
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My long opinion to your question is:

What logical, reasoning, compassionate citizens are left in our nation "will attempt" to keep our elected grifters from turning the US into the United States of Trump, Inc. (aka the United States of GOP and Democrat, Inc.). Ultimately their goal is to create a system, which undermines the power of the people, which in effect, forces the backbone workers of this country to work harder and longer to support the lifestyles of those who control the Kingdom of Washington.

In other words, our corrupt members of our government will continue to try to **** us all - war economy or not. These folks have about 230 plus years of trial and error working on ways to abuse their power and charge it off to the citizens.

We'll never see legitimate campaign reform or new rules holding elected officials legally responsible and accountable to those who give these grifters consent to govern (ha ha).

In closing....

Is there any doubt in anybody's mind that the agenda of our government is anything less than to protect their own interests over that of the citizens? That requires them to do what the **** they want to do with "We the People's money" however they want to.
 
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