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Do you believe that Donald Trump is mentally fit to be president?

Do you believe that Donald Trump is mentally fit to be president?

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Zyphlin said:
CC, someone who is well established as having very diametrically opposed political views of Trump and having no real love for the man, made some of the most insightful comments about this in another thread:
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It's also a slippery slope situation, make it ok to do it to this President, then it's ok to do it to the next black president. Or the first woman President. While I'm suspicious the guy has some form of early dimensia, (he acts eerily similar to my grandfather did when he was first diagnosed). That's just a suspicion.

What I would like to see is Congress recommend a clinical evaluation, and see if he refuses. He's was pretty shady when it came to his health on the campaign. I think he went on Dr. Oz and showed them a testosterone test and tried to pass it off as a full physical.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
It's also a slippery slope situation, make it ok to do it to this President, then it's ok to do it to the next black president. Or the first woman President. While I'm suspicious the guy has some form of early dimensia, (he acts eerily similar to my grandfather did when he was first diagnosed). That's just a suspicion.

What I would like to see is Congress recommend a clinical evaluation, and see if he refuses. He's was pretty shady when it came to his health on the campaign. I think he went on Dr. Oz and showed them a testosterone test and tried to pass it off as a full physical.
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My only question would be like the tax returns what advantage is there for Trump to say yes knowing anything is going to used by the opposition?
 
Conaeolos said:
My only question would be like the tax returns what advantage is there for Trump to say yes knowing anything is going to used by the opposition?
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Do you not realize, that we expect our President's to not be so compromised that they can't share any information about their finances and health? I'll use the same line conservatives use to justify violating 4th Amendment rights everyday. If there isn't anything to find, he has nothing to worry about.

A financially or health compromised President is a liability if they attempt to cover it up. It provides an opportunity for enemies of the State to obtain that information and use it to blackmail him. Say a Chinese operative uncovers his last physical and the President has cancer, knew he had cancer during the campaign, and hid it. That's him defrauding the public in my mind, and that operative can use that information to black mail him. Which compromises our security.
 
Zyphlin said:
CC, someone who is well established as having very diametrically opposed political views of Trump and having no real love for the man, made some of the most insightful comments about this in another thread:
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Fair enough. It appears that there is thousands of CCs fellow MHC professionals who, at some level, disagree. And please note that I don't think the opinions are based Trump's political views are in question.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Do you not realize, that we expect our President's to not be so compromised that they can't share any information about their finances and health? I'll use the same line conservatives use to justify violating 4th Amendment rights everyday. If there isn't anything to find, he has nothing to worry about.
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Which as you probably know only works when you have no ability to push back. I personally would be curious to know everything. I love more information rather than less. That said, Trump if nothing else is a tactician when it comes to PR specifically and from his POV I see very little reason to play ball and just see this as Tax Returns 2.0 with even less reason to say he’ll ever play ball.

A financially or health compromised President is a liability if they attempt to cover it up. It provides an opportunity for enemies of the State to obtain that information and use it to blackmail him. Say a Chinese operative uncovers his last physical and the President has cancer, knew he had cancer during the campaign, and hid it. That's him defrauding the public in my mind, and that operative can use that information to black mail him. Which compromises our security.
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If we had some reasonable suspicion based on a concerning event sure - do we? Nope we at best have wild speculation...in terms of making it a new standard post-trump, I see few issues adding some form of tax returns and health records as it might prove toward a greater good, but I’ll tell you right now, its a slippy slope as the more barriers we put to becoming president the less qualified and honest motived individuals will want to try. How many now do we lose to the media backlash and financial costs alone? Certain privacy in high profile positions can literally be a life or death matter. Say a candidate has a condition you could trigger or an asset that can be leveraged - we could literally be facilitating an assassination or financial attack. A possibility as likely as any blackmail.

Look at how donor list went from being an issue of transparency to people getting attacked for political views.(e.g. Gay Marriage - California) It's a uncertain world we live.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
If you think PC is what is the motivational factor for most people's votes in any election, you are as delusional as Trump is. Trump won because of his message of economic nationalization which helped him win in the rust belt. Moreover, he won because he had the good fortune of running against Hillary and thus was able to win with a lower percentage of the vote than Romney lost with in 2012.
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He won for a number of reasons, including Americans being tired of political correctness. Glad you are not delusional in thinking that he won because of Comey or the Russians.
 
Moderate Right said:
He won for a number of reasons, including Americans being tired of political correctness. Glad you are not delusional in thinking that he won because of Comey or the Russians.
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Comey and the Russians were part of that number of different reasons he won.
 
TheGoverness said:
That is for a mental health professional to decide. Not me.

I do however, think Donald Trump is unfit to be President, because he hasn't demonstrated he knows how to govern properly. His administration is a complete disaster.
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Perhaps from your point of view. From mine, the list of accomplishments is pretty impressive. Especially in light of the relentless attacks from his enemies. It's actually pretty amazing he has been able to get anything done. :shrug:
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Simple question, do you think Trump is mentally fit to be president? I am not asking if he is insane or not, but rather is he mentally fit for the office he holds.
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Much more so then the previous occupant.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Simple question, do you think Trump is mentally fit to be president? I am not asking if he is insane or not, but rather is he mentally fit for the office he holds.
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Mentally fit insists on sanity...
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Come on now, this "not a medical professional" is a cop out. We all know crazy when we see it.
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You mean like when Hillary Von Pantsuit claimed to have dodged sniper fire in Bosnia?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Simple question, do you think Trump is mentally fit to be president? I am not asking if he is insane or not, but rather is he mentally fit for the office he holds.
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While I believe the answer is yes, the bigger question is whether the Presidents detractors are mentally fit to judge him.
 
I voted "no" in that I don't think he has the temperament or intelligence needed to do the job well.
 
Moderate Right said:
I don't listen to left or right propaganda. The left (which includes the MSM) have gone totally rabid since Trump won the election. They are absolutely and totally incensed that he won and will do absoultely anything as part of the resistance to get rid of him. Please let me know when you see a bunch of lefty protesters carrying Pence signs and I might start paying some attention to you. Until then it is nothing but rabid partisanship and sour grapes at their continued losses. It doesn't really even have anything to do with Trump at all and that is why the left aren't out there carrying Pence signs.
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Its because Pence is even worse. Trump is just a buffoon. Pence is downright evil.
 
Moderate Right said:
I don't listen to left or right propaganda. The left (which includes the MSM) have gone totally rabid since Trump won the election. They are absolutely and totally incensed that he won and will do absoultely anything as part of the resistance to get rid of him. Please let me know when you see a bunch of lefty protesters carrying Pence signs and I might start paying some attention to you. Until then it is nothing but rabid partisanship and sour grapes at their continued losses. It doesn't really even have anything to do with Trump at all and that is why the left aren't out there carrying Pence signs.
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Yep......The following video represents a good cross section of the democrat party mindset and their inability to deal with defeat:

 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I am not asking you to listen to any propaganda. The question is based upon your perception of the things Trump has said, tweeted, and done, do you think he is mentally fit to be president?

As to Pence, personally while I disagree with Mike Pence on a variety of issues, particularly social issues, I don't question his mental state or competence for the office of the presidency.
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Personally, what I find mentally insane is the mass resistance of the left against Trump. The election was held in November of 2016. We are now late in August of 2017. It's time for the libruls to accept that their candidate lost and move on. They will get another chance to run a candidate in 2020.
 
Conaeolos said:
Which as you probably know only works when you have no ability to push back. I personally would be curious to know everything. I love more information rather than less. That said, Trump if nothing else is a tactician when it comes to PR specifically and from his POV I see very little reason to play ball and just see this as Tax Returns 2.0 with even less reason to say he’ll ever play ball.


If we had some reasonable suspicion based on a concerning event sure - do we? Nope we at best have wild speculation...in terms of making it a new standard post-trump, I see few issues adding some form of tax returns and health records as it might prove toward a greater good, but I’ll tell you right now, its a slippy slope as the more barriers we put to becoming president the less qualified and honest motived individuals will want to try. How many now do we lose to the media backlash and financial costs alone? Certain privacy in high profile positions can literally be a life or death matter. Say a candidate has a condition you could trigger or an asset that can be leveraged - we could literally be facilitating an assassination or financial attack. A possibility as likely as any blackmail.

Look at how donor list went from being an issue of transparency to people getting attacked for political views.(e.g. Gay Marriage - California) It's a uncertain world we live.
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Are you sure we are talking about the same guy here? A PR tactician? Really?

That statement is so absurd I have no idea how to respond to it. His PR is so bad, not only are his business interests suffering, his daughters is. Google real quick where the best place to find her clothing line is...

A great PR tactician wouldn't have 70% (and that's being conservative) of the people he is supposed to be leading, hating him. He wouldn't be seeking to open up libel laws so he can intimidate anyone in the media with lawsuits should they say something negative of him. Heck, he wouldn't declare open war on the media. Literally, every move this guy has made in regards to public relations has been the wrong move for everyone but a niche group of white nationalists that are the worst people ever. When Hillary said half of his supporters were deplorable, she called it.

We do have reasonable suspicion. From more than one event. I know it doesn't seem like it to a Trump fanboy, but look at it with the slightest bit of objectivity. There's plenty of reasons to be suspicious. It's not a slippery slope to expect Presidential Candidates to do what every other Presidential Candidates have done in the past, and that's turn over financials and physicals. It's a slippery slope to condone them not doing that.

As far as your asset liability, that's why Presidents and other elected officials with means are expected to divest and setup their assets in a blind trust. To prevent conflicts of interest. We got laws about it and everything, and currently the President's being sued over those laws.

You're basically defending the President's right to be the worst President ever. Literally, I'd gladly welcome W Bush back with open arms and full on mouth kiss at this point. And I considered him the worst President til this point. Did not know how good we had it when the dumbest thing a President ever said was "Hawaii is our biggest ally in the Pacific." Which it's a state, meaning it's us. You can't ally with yourself.
 
Translation... Trump does things we dont like so he must be crazy because we (anti-trumppers) are too smart to be wrong. Ubber lefties are the biggest bunch of snobs and bigots that I have ever encountered. This thread is one example among many of it.

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ThoughtEx. said:
Are you sure we are talking about the same guy here? A PR tactician? Really?

That statement is so absurd I have no idea how to respond to it. His PR is so bad, not only are his business interests suffering, his daughters is. Google real quick where the best place to find her clothing line is...

A great PR tactician wouldn't have 70% (and that's being conservative) of the people he is supposed to be leading, hating him. He wouldn't be seeking to open up libel laws so he can intimidate anyone in the media with lawsuits should they say something negative of him. Heck, he wouldn't declare open war on the media. Literally, every move this guy has made in regards to public relations has been the wrong move for everyone but a niche group of white nationalists that are the worst people ever. When Hillary said half of his supporters were deplorable, she called it.

We do have reasonable suspicion. From more than one event. I know it doesn't seem like it to a Trump fanboy, but look at it with the slightest bit of objectivity. There's plenty of reasons to be suspicious. It's not a slippery slope to expect Presidential Candidates to do what every other Presidential Candidates have done in the past, and that's turn over financials and physicals. It's a slippery slope to condone them not doing that.

As far as your asset liability, that's why Presidents and other elected officials with means are expected to divest and setup their assets in a blind trust. To prevent conflicts of interest. We got laws about it and everything, and currently the President's being sued over those laws.

You're basically defending the President's right to be the worst President ever. Literally, I'd gladly welcome W Bush back with open arms and full on mouth kiss at this point. And I considered him the worst President til this point. Did not know how good we had it when the dumbest thing a President ever said was "Hawaii is our biggest ally in the Pacific." Which it's a state, meaning it's us. You can't ally with yourself.
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:) Ivanka trumps sales are at a record high(foreign sales skyrocketed). Trumps business interests are probably doing too good for a sitting president.

I am not sure why you use his approval ratings to indicate much, still don't see how democrats are going to knock him for second term but we'll see.

And, yes he has his branding empire, his tv show and now election win on his controversial style of PR but yes let pretend those experts know what's right with their theories. Lol luck must just stick to that man.

Anyway - productive conversation over. You dislike him. I do. We'll see how it goes. I respect your skeptical viewpoint.
 
...****. voted for the wrong option. I somehow got it into my head that the poll was asking if I thought Trump was UNfit to be President.
 
Cigar said:
I really don't feel comfortable calling someone unstable ... but unfit is an inability to do a Job category, that Donald proves beyond a shadow of a doubt everyday.
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He sure has proved incapable of "draining the swamp".

https://www.propublica.org/article/...rules-let-lobbyist-help-run-agency-he-lobbied

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/...s-now-theyre-on-his-transition-team.html?_r=0

Donald Trump Cabinet: Is He Really Draining the Swamp?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...7d93165c6d4_story.html?utm_term=.c6f6ade76246

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-...ry-lobbyist-to-hud-transition-team-1480453288

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/27/coal-doj-trump/

http://fortune.com/2016/11/16/trump-lobbyists-dc-establishment/


And another one has just scurried away:

Another of Don’s Swamp Rats Bails …

... just before publication of this New Yorker article. Must be "fake" n ****.

Icahn’s role was novel. He would be an adviser with a formal title, but he would not receive a salary, and he would not be required to divest himself of any of his holdings, or to make any disclosures about potential conflicts of interest. “Carl Icahn will be advising the President in his individual capacity,” Trump’s transition team asserted.

In the months after the election, the stock price of CVR, Icahn’s refiner, nearly doubled—a surge that is difficult to explain without acknowledging the appointment of the company’s lead shareholder to a White House position. The rally meant a personal benefit for Icahn, at least on paper, of half a billion dollars. There was an expectation in the market—an expectation created, in part, by Icahn’s own remarks—that, with Trump in the White House and Icahn playing consigliere, the rules were about to change, and not just at the E.P.A. Icahn’s empire ranges across many economic sectors, from energy to pharmaceuticals to auto supplies to mining, and all of them are governed by the types of regulations about which he would now potentially be advising Trump.

Janet McCabe, who left the E.P.A. in January, and now works at the Environmental Law and Policy Center, told me, “I’m not naïve. People in business try to influence the government. But the job of the government is to serve the American people, not the specific business interests of the President’s friends. To think that you have somebody with that kind of agenda bending the President’s ear is troubling.”

Conflicts of interest have been a defining trait of the Trump Administration. The President has not only refused to release his tax returns; he has declined to divest from his companies, instead putting them in a trust managed by his children. Questions have emerged about the ongoing business ties of his daughter and son-in-law, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, who, since Trump took office, have reaped nearly two hundred million dollars from the Trump hotel in Washington, D.C., and from other investments. Although Trump promised to “drain the swamp,” he has assembled a Cabinet of ultra-rich Americans, including two billionaires: Betsy DeVos, the Secretary of Education, and Wilbur Ross, the Secretary of Commerce.

But Icahn is worth more than the Trump family and all the members of the Cabinet combined—and, with no constraint on his license to counsel the President on regulations that might help his businesses, he was poised to become much richer. Robert Weissman, who runs the watchdog group Public Citizen, told me, “This kind of self-enrichment and influence over decision-making by an individual mogul who is simultaneously inside and outside the Administration is unprecedented. In terms of corruption, there’s nothing like it. Maybe ever.” In conversations with me, financiers who have worked with Icahn described his appointment as a kind of corporate raid on Washington. One said, “It’s the cheapest takeover Carl’s ever done.”

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/08/28/carl-icahns-failed-raid-on-washington
 
One doesn't need to be Freud to plainly see he suffered from some major psychological issues. At the very least, he suffers from some narcissistic personality disorder.
 
disneydude said:
Its because Pence is even worse. Trump is just a buffoon. Pence is downright evil.
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In other words, it doesn't have a damn thing to do with Trump at all. It is just purely the partisan anti-Republican politics of the left. And that is why the left isn't protesting and carrying signs wanting Pence to be president. They don't want ANY Republican to be president.
 
Conaeolos said:
:) Ivanka trumps sales are at a record high(foreign sales skyrocketed). Trumps business interests are probably doing too good for a sitting president.

I am not sure why you use his approval ratings to indicate much, still don't see how democrats are going to knock him for second term but we'll see.

And, yes he has his branding empire, his tv show and now election win on his controversial style of PR but yes let pretend those experts know what's right with their theories. Lol luck must just stick to that man.

Anyway - productive conversation over. You dislike him. I do. We'll see how it goes. I respect your skeptical viewpoint.
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Foreign sales have skyrocketed because distributors seeking preferential import taxes are trying to curry favor. As we are discussing domestic issues, lets take a look at domestic sales.

I believe you are familiar with Fortune, as in Fortune 500.

Ivanka Trump Clothing Donations Rise Post-Election | Fortune.com

Now consider the slump that our tourism industry is entering because foreigners are literally afraid to come here. And then consider that a large portion of Trumps business is in tourism. Hotels, Casinos, etc...

Trump slump? US tourism industry fears downturn - BBC News

As far as his controversial PR and his branding business, the man is a terrible businessman. If he had taken the money his father left him and invested in low risk or indexed annuities he'd be worth double what he is today. He's lost so much money, American banks won't loan him anything. But he had a reality tv show with some success so he's got to be a PR expert. Except he didn't do much on the tv show, as far as it's PR is concerned.

You got played, and are being played.

And even if I'm completely wrong about his PR chops in the business world, those skills don't translate into being an effective world leader. AS we are clearly witnessing.
 
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