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Is it possible to support someone's right to protest/speak yet oppose their message?

Is it?

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Captain Adverse said:
Of course it is.

That's the basis of free expression. Allowing those whose views you hate or despise the same right to express them openly (and non-violently) as you would the views you hold.

Refusing this freedom to other's is a slippery slope placing you own at future risk.
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What if it's a group of people who's entire philosophy seeks the destruction of freedom and democracy in the US? At what point do you say enough? What if a US Nazi party was leading the polls in the run up to an election?

Would you support ISIS soldiers if they wanted to march down US streets?
 
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PirateMk1 said:
On the First Amendment I am extremist. Goldwater was right extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. To your fire in a crowded theater example, that speech can and should be countered with a simple one word question, "Where?". Your life may depend on the answer if there is a fire. Otherwise if you are not smart enough to ask that simple yet profound question, in response to a statement then quite frankly Darwin should have his way with you. Stupidity is countered with intelligence.
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Human emotions and fears are real things, and thinking they shouldn't exist doesn't make your point any less moot in the real world. Good luck with asking 'where?' and expecting an answer when there are 200 scared people rushing past you.
 
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Aristaeus said:
What if it's a group of people who's entire philosophy seeks the destruction of freedom and democracy in the US? At what point do you say enough?
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At the point when such a group ACTS violently. Until then, words can be countered and marches can be counter-marched.

Aristaeus said:
What if a US Nazi party was leading the polls in the run up to an election? Would you support ISIS soldiers if they wanted to march down US streets?
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What if aliens landed in Times Square tomorrow? :roll:

If the Nazi's had that much support in any society, then the issues run much deeper than the misuse of free speech. Or rather those who support freedom have already failed in their obligation to counter this threat via the exercise of their free speech rights.

As for ISIS "soldiers?" If actual combatants were trying to march, we can act because they are a clear and present danger...we are at actual war with them you know.

If it was a bunch of citizens marching in support of ISIS? Then more power to em, while I counter-protest as well.
 
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There's a reason Germany bans hateful speech. Just saying...
 
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HK.227 said:
Absolutely not.
Back in the good old days in Germany, protesting your innocence when arrested by the Gestapo was a crime, since it inferred that the Gestapo would make the mistake of arresting an innocent person.
The same standards should apply today. If you support civil or human rights for the enemy, you are the enemy!

If that thought makes you quesy, take comfort in the knowledge that they are all just <insert current derogatory term for opposition>, and not really human like me and you.
I know because I see it repeated in TV, newspapers, and the Internet, day after day after day...
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Well I'm honored you used one of your 5 or so yearly posts in this thread.
 
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AtlantaAdonis said:
There's a reason Germany bans hateful speech. Just saying...
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Sure, when I think epitome of free speech, my mind races immediately to Germany.
 
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AtlantaAdonis said:
There's a reason Germany bans hateful speech. Just saying...
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Where do you draw a line in the sand? Does everyone's crazy racist uncle get locked up/fined?
 
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TurtleDude said:
Ask Francois-Marie Arouet , he had the proper perspective

I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it.
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I won’t defend to the death over your right to say things which can get my killed.
Democracy shouldn’t go nuts in order to prove liveliness.
 
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X Factor said:
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Sure it is. I always supported the old adage, "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it."
 
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Aristaeus said:
Human emotions and fears are real things, and thinking they shouldn't exist doesn't make your point any less moot in the real world. Good luck with asking 'where?' and expecting an answer when there are 200 scared people rushing past you.
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And that's why they end up dead. Because they decided NOT to keep their wits about themselves.
 
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