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Stone Mountain –Confederate sculpture – Remove it-Yes-No?

Stone Mountain –Confederate sculpture – Remove it-Yes-No?

  • Remove it - Yes -Why

    Votes: 4 9.1%

  • Remove it- No –Why

    Votes: 35 79.5%

  • Markers prominently posted explaining the history of this and the Civil War -Yes

    Votes: 7 15.9%

  • Markers prominently posted explaining the history of this and the Civil War - No

    Votes: 5 11.4%
  • Total voters
    44
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Stone Mountain –Confederate sculpture – Remove it-Yes-No?
Remove it - Yes -Why

Remove it- No -Why

Markers prominently posted explaining the history of this and the Civil War -Yes

Markers prominently posted explaining the history of this and the Civil War - No

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Mountain

Stone Mountain is a quartz monzonite dome monadnock and the site of Stone Mountain Park in Stone Mountain, Georgia. At its summit, the elevation is 1,686 feet (514 m) MSL and 825 feet (251 m) above the surrounding area. Stone Mountain is well-known not only for its geology, but also for the enormous rock relief on its north face, the largest bas-relief in the world.[1] The carving depicts three Confederate figures during the Civil War: Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson.

Stone Mountain was once owned by the Venable Brothers and was the site of the founding of the second Ku Klux Klan in 1915. It was purchased by the State of Georgia in 1958.
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STONE MOUNTAIN, GA -- Stone Mountain, the largest exposed piece of granite on Earth, has long been a natural wonder to Georgians and visitors alike. Located about 15 minutes from Atlanta, the mountain has been embroiled in controversy lately after a Georgia lawmaker and candidate for governor called for the Confederate monument carved on it to be removed.
The monument, the largest bas-relief sculpture in the world, features the three central figures of the Confederate war -- Gens. Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee and Confederacy President Jefferson Davis. Aside from those three central figures, the history of the carvings offers much to learn in this present time as cities grapple with what to do about their respective Confederate monuments and symbols. Here are five things about the Confederate monument that you may not have known.
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https://www.amren.com/news/2017/08/candidate-governor-calls-removal-stone-mountain-carving/

One of the gubernatorial candidates is calling for the removal of Confederate statues and monuments from around the state, including Stone Mountain’s Civil War carving.

The Democratic party front-runner for governor, Stacy Abrams, said the carving of three Confederate leaders at Stone Mountain, which is designated by state law as an official Confederate memorial site, should be removed.

“It is 2017, and now is the time for us to have a conversation about removing the last vestiges of that type of hatred and that type of vitriol toward minority communities in Georgia,” Abrams told Channel 2’s Richard Elliot.
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JANFU said:
Stone Mountain –Confederate sculpture – Remove it-Yes-No?
Remove it - Yes -Why

Remove it- No -Why

Markers prominently posted explaining the history of this and the Civil War -Yes

Markers prominently posted explaining the history of this and the Civil War - No

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Mountain






https://www.amren.com/news/2017/08/candidate-governor-calls-removal-stone-mountain-carving/
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The bigger question is, why is this all of a sudden such a problem? Why wasn't it an issue during the eight years of the Obama admin? :roll:
 
countryboy said:
I really didn't expect an honest answer. Nice dodge though, posting an article from April 2016, well into Trump's campaign, and during O'Bama's lame duck tenure.
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You walked into this one..

during O'Bama's lame duck tenure.
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and yet he did far more than Trump has! .... :)
 
Sure. Get rid of it. Heck, get rid of all the states south of the Mason Dixon line too. Hell, why not just get rid of white people to be on the safe side. You never can tell when some honkey is going to go all "white pride" on you so it's best to just kick them all out.
 
I answered simply "No."

It is a part of U.S. History, and as a historian IMO attempts to remove markers of our past to suit present political views is both an attempt to whitewash history, and deny that past.

It is better to preserve such markers as a testament to how far we have come in order to remember, rather than destroy them and risk repeating those same errors in the future.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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George Santayana
 
Since many of our founding fathers were slave holders...should we remove them and their monuments from history?
 
Captain Adverse said:
I answered simply "No."

It is a part of U.S. History, and as a historian IMO attempts to remove markers of our past to suit present political views is both an attempt to whitewash history, and deny that past.

It is better to preserve such markers as a testament to how far we have come in order to remember, rather than destroy them and risk repeating those same errors in the future.
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It seems Democrats are particularly eager to whitewash this part of our history. I believe due in large part for their role in it. ;)
 
antiquity said:
Since many of our founding fathers were slave holders...should we remove them and their monuments from history?
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I think a better argument is "since the founders were traitors too..."
 
JANFU:

Preserve the monument. Prominently explain who created it, why and how it has been used since its creation. Perhaps put a museum near by to illustrate the horrors of ante-bellum slavery in America and the horrors of the Civil War. Balance the romancing of the Confederacy with the cold facts of the institution of slavery which it tried to defend and the ruin which both sides of the house divided wrought on each other. You can disappear monuments but the history behind them resists change. Do you (collective) really want to live in a state that destroys its own heritage like the Taliban did to the Bamiyan Buddhas? Are you willing to submit to a fundamentalist, secular American Taliban which leaves no room for those who didn't and perhaps still don't share what some would like to call universal "American Values"?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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countryboy said:
The bigger question is, why is this all of a sudden such a problem? Why wasn't it an issue during the eight years of the Obama admin? :roll:
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A valid point. Richmond has probably the most to lose of any city with the current destroy everything movement. Hollywood Cemetary, 15000 civil war burials, and three presidents. Monument Avenue. Multiple CW generals and Maury, and Ashe. Ashe was placed there as a position of honor. I've sat at the base of the statues grabbing a hot dog alongside blacks grabbing a hot dog. Battlefields to numerous to count. The Museum of the Confederacy. Probably the best anywhere.

Now suddenly, this is a problem and everything must come down.
 
JANFU said:
Stone Mountain –Confederate sculpture – Remove it-Yes-No?
Remove it - Yes -Why

Remove it- No -Why

Markers prominently posted explaining the history of this and the Civil War -Yes

Markers prominently posted explaining the history of this and the Civil War - No

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Mountain






https://www.amren.com/news/2017/08/candidate-governor-calls-removal-stone-mountain-carving/
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I am not convinced that the Civil War was mainly about slavery. Many conflicting business causes. Current MSM mania tends to create divisions among us citizens. This seems to be another flagrant example. i'm no fan of the KKK, and no racist. History is written by the victors and from what I've read, the USA presents a pretty picture of pure fiction, and worse, the people believe it. Start with the truth and reorganize the chips as they fall.
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jimbo said:
A valid point. Richmond has probably the most to lose of any city with the current destroy everything movement. Hollywood Cemetary, 15000 civil war burials, and three presidents. Monument Avenue. Multiple CW generals and Maury, and Ashe. Ashe was placed there as a position of honor. I've sat at the base of the statues grabbing a hot dog alongside blacks grabbing a hot dog. Battlefields to numerous to count. The Museum of the Confederacy. Probably the best anywhere.

Now suddenly, this is a problem and everything must come down.
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This is nothing more than a "get out the vote" ploy. And it might work too. Unfortunately for Dims, it might get out the wrong vote, from their point of view. ;)
 
countryboy said:
I really didn't expect an honest answer. Nice dodge though, posting an article from April 2016, well into Trump's campaign, and during O'Bama's lame duck tenure.
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again- another from 2015
You should really think before posting such nonsense.
Now- Tell us how much you miss Obama
 
countryboy said:
This is nothing more than a "get out the vote" ploy. And it might work too. Unfortunately for Dims, it might get out the wrong vote, from their point of view. ;)
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It sure isn't splitting the Trumptser vote and encouraging them to vote Democrat.

One thing I've noticed. It's no longer about President Trump, Russians, or Hillary losing. Today it's about nazi. AFAIK, nazi is not running for anything.
 
jimbo said:
It sure isn't splitting the Trumptser vote and encouraging them to vote Democrat.

One thing I've noticed. It's no longer about President Trump, Russians, or Hillary losing. Today it's about nazi. AFAIK, nazi is not running for anything.
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Anyone who voted for Trump IS a Nazi. ;)
 
countryboy said:
Anyone who voted for Trump IS a Nazi. ;)
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I almost didn't get to vote because I wore my nazi pin and KKK hat. But they backed down when I waved my burning cross at the poll workers.
 
jimbo said:
I almost didn't get to vote because I wore my nazi pin and KKK hat. But they backed down when I waved my burning cross at the poll workers.
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Yep, works every time. Um, or so I've heard. ;);)

I live in a rural area, so it's not a problem. They actually mark the polling station (a church) WITH a burning cross.
 
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