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Which side would you stand with?

Which side would you stand with?

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Josie said:
Two groups we're all talking about recently --

White Nationalists
Anti-Fa

I'm assuming you're all aware of what these two groups stand for and what actions they have taken or say they will take to make their point or meet their goal. If you aren't aware, read up on it before voting.

This isn't about which side you believe should has the right to protest and voice their viewpoints, I'm asking which side you would stand with in a protest like the one in Charlottesville.

White Nationalists
Anti-Fa
Neither


Please vote and explain in your comments.
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I stand with neither. I have no use for the white supremacy groups or the morons in the Antifa groups who intentionally incite violence. If Antifa had any common sense at all, they would ignore the white supremacy groups. Then they would sink back into the shadows. Instead, the Antifa morons are giving them the attention that they seek.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I would stand with neither, because I don't like extremists of any stripe. That said, I would still take Communists over Nazis any day.
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You were doing well until the last statement. The truth is that there is not a dimes worth of difference between the nazis and the communists.
 
JamesBY said:
So, Josie, you are wrong. That's fine, because it is unimportant.

The Alt Right is far more dangerous than their extreme opponents.

America condemns the Alt Right, period.
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Actually it is the alt-left that is inciting most of the violence.
 
ObamacareFail said:
You were doing well until the last statement. The truth is that there is not a dimes worth of difference between the nazis and the communists.
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I would say communists are better than Nazis due to the racism that is central to their beliefs. Which isn't exactly saying much considering I view Nazis as the worst of any political ideology.
 
Josie said:
Two groups we're all talking about recently --

White Nationalists
Anti-Fa

I'm assuming you're all aware of what these two groups stand for and what actions they have taken or say they will take to make their point or meet their goal. If you aren't aware, read up on it before voting.

This isn't about which side you believe should has the right to protest and voice their viewpoints, I'm asking which side you would stand with in a protest like the one in Charlottesville.

White Nationalists
Anti-Fa
Neither


Please vote and explain in your comments.
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I am not a racist nor am I crazy leftist loon. So I pick neither.
 
Nap said:
I would say communists are better than Nazis due to the racism that is central to their beliefs. Which isn't exactly saying much considering I view Nazis as the worst of any political ideology.
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But then the communists murdered more people then the Nazis did. I see both as equally evil.
 
I'd stay out of violent situations, but at the end of the day the choice is between Nazis and those protesting against Nazis, and I will always support those opposing Nazis.
 
ObamacareFail said:
But then the communists murdered more people then the Nazis did. I see both as equally evil.
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Nazis killed a hell of a lot more people per year.
 
SheWolf said:
If you're a minority or an immigrant, only one of the two want you dead and/or out of "their country." If you're a white Christian, born on American soil, you have more choices.
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Then come and stand with us Neithers. Picking the less bad isn't the same as picking the good.
 
Moon said:
Then come and stand with us Neithers. Picking the less bad isn't the same as picking the good.
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It's so odd that some people think they MUST choose one side or the other --- not just with this, but with anything.
 
Aristaeus said:
Nazis killed a hell of a lot more people per year.
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That's sort of like saying brain cancer is better than Lou Gehrig's disease
 
Josie said:
It's so odd that some people think they MUST choose one side or the other --- not just with this, but with anything.
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It really is. I think it has more to do with some misguided moral superiority where suddenly one group of thugs is somehow better than another group of thugs.
 
Josie said:
12 now.

Anti-Fa 12 17.39%
brothern, CharloTexan, d0gbreath, haymarket, instagramsci, katzgar, Peter King, RabidAlpaca, RickJames3000, shrubnose, ThoughtEx., Winston

It's strange that they don't realize that anti-fa (who is supposedly anti-fascism) tactics are tactics that fascists use. Perhaps they can tell use why using Fascist tactics will help ....... fight Fascism.....
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My personal experience with Anti-fa is that many of their number have marched peacefully with me (like in Boston last week).

I've never marched with them though (i.e. gone to an 'Antifa-specific' event).
 
Moon said:
It really is. I think it has more to do with some misguided moral superiority where suddenly one group of thugs is somehow better than another group of thugs.
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70 odd years ago we stood and fought with one of these groups in order to defeat the other and it is one of the proudest moments in our history.
 
Moon said:
It really is. I think it has more to do with some misguided moral superiority where suddenly one group of thugs is somehow better than another group of thugs.
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Were the French resistance a bunch of thugs?
 
Nilly said:
70 odd years ago we stood and fought with one of these groups in order to defeat the other and it is one of the proudest moments in our history.
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one of the things I still ponder is why do people who claim to be "supremacists" want to emulate a movement that has to be ranked as one of the major fails in known history. Few "empires" failed as spectacularly and completely as the Third Reich. almost every major decision its leaders made was the wrong one-from giving the Brits and French time to evacuate Dunkirk to stabbing the Stalinist USSR in the back and thus tripling the number of armed forces it had to engage to bombing London rather than the RAF air bases, the entire command structure at the top of the Nazis was laced in incompetence and idiocy.
 
TurtleDude said:
one of the things I still ponder is why do people who claim to be "supremacists" want to emulate a movement that has to be ranked as one of the major fails in known history. Few "empires" failed as spectacularly and completely as the Third Reich.
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The same can and has been very much said about the Lost Causers found among the Confederate idolaters. People love their underdog stories, and either embrace or merely excuse the rotten cores.
 
My question remains:
who is the leader of antifa?
when did they originate?
have they sponsored any rallies?
do they have a set of core beliefs beyond being anti-fascist?

My hypothesis is that "antifa" is the name given to the various small groups of moronic protestors willing to use violence to shut down far right rallies, speeches, marches, etc. I think it's a really good story for the media to have this ongoing clash between a far left and a far right group. The only problem is that, while I believe that far left individuals willing to use violence exist, I don't believe they have any central organization or large numbers willing to coordinate.

The most important point is that there was a rally with a group that was largely peaceful. A group that went by no name, just a group of Americans who were peacefully protesting a Nazi rally. And there was an attempt to murder scores of peaceful protestors. I would stand with the family of the innocent woman who died peacefully protesting for what she believed in, which was a world free from the hatred so many of these threads are filled with.
 
Nilly said:
70 odd years ago we stood and fought with one of these groups in order to defeat the other and it is one of the proudest moments in our history.
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No, we actually didn't. Equating the Antifa thugs with the brave men who fought Nazi Germany is about as dishonest as you can get.
 
Josie said:
Please vote and explain in your comments.
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Could someone please tell me where all this evidence is suggesting anti-fa are in anyway violent or extreme? I see a lot of people who are pissed off that Nazis, and Klan members are happy about our current president who is by definition a fascist. Some might be a bit over the top, but when you have a fascist with access to nuclear weapons who's making Nazis and Klan members happy and wanting to parade through the streets it seems to me that it's some what understandable that they are angry.

Too me anybody that's hatting on this anti-fa group sounds exactly like the dip ****s who sat on the sidelines during the civil rights movement saying that while they hate racism, those black people protesting for their basic human rights sure seem hateful too.

Well no **** they seem angry. They have a right to be angry.
 
MrWonka said:
Could someone please tell me where all this evidence is suggesting anti-fa are in anyway violent or extreme? I see a lot of people who are pissed off that Nazis, and Klan members are happy about our current president who is by definition a fascist. Some might be a bit over the top, but when you have a fascist with access to nuclear weapons who's making Nazis and Klan members happy and wanting to parade through the streets it seems to me that it's some what understandable that they are angry.

Too me anybody that's hatting on this anti-fa group sounds exactly like the dip ****s who sat on the sidelines during the civil rights movement saying that while they hate racism, those black people protesting for their basic human rights sure seem hateful too.

Well no **** they seem angry. They have a right to be angry.
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/index.html
 
Moderate Right said:
Unmasking the leftist Antifa movement - CNN
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your own article said:
Antifa activists, who operate without any centralized leadership, told CNN that their goal is peace and inclusivity.
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your own article said:
Antifa leaders admit they're willing to physically attack anyone who employs violence against them or who condones racism -- as long as force is used in the name of eradicating hatred.
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This looks a lot like self-defense last I checked.

Martin Luther King Jr was arrested countless times, so was Mandela, so was Gandhi, so did Bernie Sanders and no matter how good of a job they did of trying to keep the protests they organized civil and peaceful when you get that many people marching together it's inevitable that somebody will go over board. Hell there are people that riot because their Hockey team won the championship. That doesn't mean you call all their fans violent.

Nazis and Klan members may have a right to free speech, but that doesn't mean they need to feel welcome in the places they go to spew their hatred. These are not new or different ideas that we all need to hear over and over again. We know what Nazis and Klan members have to say. We've heard it before, and we chose to fight two of the deadliest wars in all of American history to stop the pieces of ****. American isn't going to change it's mind about these people, and it never should.

Often times those who are certain of there beliefs can go to extreme measures to insure they get implemented. Oftentimes those people are just crazy extremists, but in this case they are apposing Nazis, Klan Members, fascists, and white supremacists. If you're not certain that those groups are evil, and should never be allowed power then there's something wrong with you.

There are all kinds of people throughout history who have resorted to violence to achieve their goals yet when we look back on them we consider them heroes and patriots if they were on the right side. Well when Nazis and Klan members are on one side of a fight we know who's on the wrong side. Some people are intelligent enough to recognize true evil when they see it. They don't need to wait for Pearl Harbor, 9/11, Rosa Parks, or someone to drive a tank over a guy holding white flags to figure out what side they support.
 
MrWonka said:
This looks a lot like self-defense last I checked.

Martin Luther King Jr was arrested countless times, so was Mandela, so was Gandhi, so did Bernie Sanders and no matter how good of a job they did of trying to keep the protests they organized civil and peaceful when you get that many people marching together it's inevitable that somebody will go over board. Hell there are people that riot because their Hockey team won the championship. That doesn't mean you call all their fans violent.

Nazis and Klan members may have a right to free speech, but that doesn't mean they need to feel welcome in the places they go to spew their hatred. These are not new or different ideas that we all need to hear over and over again. We know what Nazis and Klan members have to say. We've heard it before, and we chose to fight two of the deadliest wars in all of American history to stop the pieces of ****. American isn't going to change it's mind about these people, and it never should.

Often times those who are certain of there beliefs can go to extreme measures to insure they get implemented. Oftentimes those people are just crazy extremists, but in this case they are apposing Nazis, Klan Members, fascists, and white supremacists. If you're not certain that those groups are evil, and should never be allowed power then there's something wrong with you.

There are all kinds of people throughout history who have resorted to violence to achieve their goals yet when we look back on them we consider them heroes and patriots if they were on the right side. Well when Nazis and Klan members are on one side of a fight we know who's on the wrong side. Some people are intelligent enough to recognize true evil when they see it. They don't need to wait for Pearl Harbor, 9/11, Rosa Parks, or someone to drive a tank over a guy holding white flags to figure out what side they support.
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The antifa claim everything as self defense even before it happens, just because. The trouble is if you arm Al Queda or the Taliban to fight ISIS then if they are totally successful, you are still left with terrorists in the end. It is naive to think that just because they win their war that they will stop being terrorists because after white supremacists are eliminated there's always those evil one percenters left and then something else after that. Evil is evil.
 
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