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Is Trump Empowering Racists?

Are Trump's Actions/Words Enpowering Racism?

  • Yes, he is. Trump is partly to blame for the growing racist threat

    Votes: 33 70.2%

  • No, he isn't. Trump's words and actions are coincidental to the racist cause

    Votes: 12 25.5%

  • Other (please state)

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Total voters
    47
Caine said:
When you are a hammer, every problem is a nail.

When you are desperately looking to paint someone as a racist, you misconstrue every action and/or word to tie it, somehow, someway, to racism.
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When you are a racist - you are a racist.

When you give verbal support to racists - you give them aid and comfort.
 
The Resister said:
Because of what I believe and have posted, rest assured, this will probably be the last thread I participate in here. The powers that be are weighing in on my participation even as we speak.

Donald Trump's signature issue - immigration IS a nazi talking point. David Duke held the first Border Watch in 1977. In the early 2000s some neo nazis started the Minutemen and they started trying to sell the Border Watch idea coupled with Bill Clinton's Wall around America rhetoric. It is what is.

I checked the box other because, at one time, I tried to be supportive of white activist groups. Invariably the most well meaning people are co-opted by extremists OR they leave rather than fight the battle they first got into. Not everybody can take the criticisms. I backed down for many years, but this episode spoke deeply to my conscience.

Those of us who want to see the advancement, protection, preservation and advancement of our race and culture can easily be put off by the barrage of cheap shots by the left and RINOs. They want you to believe that everybody who even considers their white culture is a neo nazi, hate filled bigot. Trump acknowledged that there were a lot of fine people in the right who participated in that protest. Then everybody wanting a brownie point with the masses denounced Trump.

So, if everybody that stands up for white culture is a nazi, hate filled bigot, then there is some evil prejudice against whites going on in America. I've sat on my backside on the sidelines for years. Trump has gotten me off my rear end. Those who think white people deserve no part in America woke my dead rear end up and I hope the racists that hate white people have given a wake up call to get whites involved. If so, I thank them for their self exposing proclamations of hate and intolerance toward the white people.

I may not like the solutions Trump is selling; I thank him for waking others up. I don't know if I feel empowered, but I feel that it is time to become active.
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It was Obama that woke you people up not Trump. You could not stomach a black man as your President and when he got over 50% of the vote twice you freaked out. Trump got you are out in the open and it will make it easier to root out this evil once and for all. There is no "white culture" only American culture and your kind has no place in it.
 
iguanaman said:
Obama sent Bin Laden to see "Allah" along with more Muslim terrorists than any other President. Was that what you meant?
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I just hope all those virgins were carrying AK47s.
 
iguanaman said:
It was Obama that woke you people up not Trump. You could not stomach a black man as your President and when he got over 50% of the vote twice you freaked out. Trump got you are out in the open and it will make it easier to root out this evil once and for all. There is no "white culture" only American culture and your kind has no place in it.
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My forefathers fought, bled and died in order to establish this Republic. I couldn't care less about Obama or Trump. It was the other politicians that made me mad.
 
haymarket said:
When you are a racist - you are a racist.

When you give verbal support to racists - you give them aid and comfort.
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What verbal support was that?

He specifically stated he wasn't talking about the racists when he stated that there were some good people there.



I find it funny that when he mentions good people, the media and leftists take what they want out of it.

Example,
Trump:Mexico is sending us illegals across the border, they are sending us criminals, drug dealers, rapists, and some that are good people.
Liberals/Media Translation: Trump thinks all mexicans are rapists.

Trump: There were evil racist thugs like the KKK and Neo Nazis that are horrible people. But some people at the protest were good people.
Liberals/Media Translation: Trump thinks there are good KKK and Neo Nazis are good people and he supports them.
 
PoS said:
First of all I dont believe Trump himself is a racist, but he uses many talking points that the racists are sympathetic to, along with his reluctance to denounce them and so they believe he is on their side. Is his actions encouraging them and creating more extremism?
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Trump was sued and lost for purposely not leasing apartments to blacks (aka "red lining"). How might that be classified?
 
Removable Mind said:
Trump was sued and lost for purposely not leasing apartments to blacks (aka "red lining"). How might that be classified?
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Someone within his company ****ed up.
 
Caine said:
What verbal support was that?

He specifically stated he wasn't talking about the racists when he stated that there were some good people there.



I find it funny that when he mentions good people, the media and leftists take what they want out of it.

Example,
Trump:Mexico is sending us illegals across the border, they are sending us criminals, drug dealers, rapists, and some that are good people.
Liberals/Media Translation: Trump thinks all mexicans are rapists.

Trump: There were evil racist thugs like the KKK and Neo Nazis that are horrible people. But some people at the protest were good people.
Liberals/Media Translation: Trump thinks there are good KKK and Neo Nazis are good people and he supports them.
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I remember back when I was just a child in the Fifties when older people would try to mitigate their racist statements with " sure there are some good ones, but "...... that is what Trump does and that is what you excuse.
 
PoS said:
Well I dont recall Muslims terrorists ever saying that Obama was on their side, but quite a lot of the white racists say Trump is on theirs...
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Hamas endorsed Obama.
 
Removable Mind said:
Yes, he did.
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So.... you have proof that he was directly (as opposed to indirectly) responsible for the decisions on who gets to rent at every one of his various properties?
 
MaggieD said:
No.

Was Obama empowering Muslim terrorists? Same exact thing. We didn't like that he didn't call them out. But it didn't empower them, and ai don't believe for a moment he was sympathetic to their cause.
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Always Obama...is that all you have?

I missed it where Obama called on supporters to beat up protesters "I'll pay the legal costs". If there ever was empowerment of extremism that was the poster boy.

The man has called "Mexicans" "rapists", "thieves" and "drug pushers" and did so more than once where he failed to indicate "some" are. The man has told the world he doesn't believe he could get a fair trial by a "Mexican" judge, a man whose family pre-dates Trump's family by five generations and this orange freak still calls him a "Mexican".

There's some more evidence you can pretend never happened...but if those aren't the actions and deeds of a bigot, then there is no such thing
 
Fearandloathing said:
Always Obama...is that all you have?

I missed it where Obama called on supporters to beat up protesters "I'll pay the legal costs". If there ever was empowerment of extremism that was the poster boy.

The man has called "Mexicans" "rapists", "thieves" and "drug pushers" and did so more than once where he failed to indicate "some" are. The man has told the world he doesn't believe he could get a fair trial by a "Mexican" judge, a man whose family pre-dates Trump's family by five generations and this orange freak still calls him a "Mexican".

There's some more evidence you can pretend never happened...but if those aren't the actions and deeds of a bigot, then there is no such thing
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There is a difference between bigotry and racism. Bigots are prejudiced and act on their prejudices. Racism is believing your race is superior to all others. Hitler was a racist. Members of the KKK are racist. Donald Trump is not a racist, and that is what this thread is about.
 
Caine said:
So.... you have proof that he was directly (as opposed to indirectly) responsible for the decisions on who gets to rent at every one of his various properties?
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It wouldn't be that hard to pull up the Lawsuit. But if there was a video showing Trump swearing on the bible to tell the truth, nothing but the truth at the court hearing, and admitted that he did exactly what HE was sued for, you'd probably claim that the video was tampered with.

I'm not wasting my time over this when there are court documents, which speak for themselves. NOTHING GETS BY TRUMP REGARDING HIS BUSINESSES, NOTHING! He's too much of a control freak to genuinely let any of his people under his employ to actually run the show.

Why is Trump such a control freak (plus a narcissist and megalomaniac)? Because Trump's true corporation revolves around the TRUMP BRAND. That's what he's always been selling. He wants nobody to **** with his brand.
 
Removable Mind said:
It wouldn't be that hard to pull up the Lawsuit. But if there was a video showing Trump swearing on the bible to tell the truth, nothing but the truth at the court hearing, and admitted that he did exactly what HE was sued for, you'd probably claim that the video was tampered with.

I'm not wasting my time over this when there are court documents, which speak for themselves. NOTHING GETS BY TRUMP REGARDING HIS BUSINESSES, NOTHING! He's too much of a control freak to genuinely let any of his people under his employ to actually run the show.

Why is Trump such a control freak (plus a narcissist and megalomaniac)? Because Trump's true corporation revolves around the TRUMP BRAND. That's what he's always been selling. He wants nobody to **** with his brand.
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So, basically, you are making assumptions that because YOU say that he is a control freak that he was directly in charge of every small aspect of running the business.

Let me ask... did he take his own messages too?

Since he was such a huge control freak, as you say, I imagine he was probably the plumber and repairman for his rental units as well, right?


:roll:
 
MaggieD said:
There is a difference between bigotry and racism. Bigots are prejudiced and act on their prejudices. Racism is believing your race is superior to all others. Hitler was a racist. Members of the KKK are racist. Donald Trump is not a racist, and that is what this thread is about.
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Now that's just ignorant.

Get a ****ing dictionary

Racism is a form of bigotry.

Forget it, you won't believe it anyway...one way ticket to a straw man.
 
Caine said:
Donald Trump has no control over what David Duke says on Twitter.

You do realize this don't you?
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Of course, you know what the OP's question was don't you?
 
Caine said:
So, basically, you are making assumptions that because YOU say that he is a control freak that he was directly in charge of every small aspect of running the business.

Let me ask... did he take his own messages too?

Since he was such a huge control freak, as you say, I imagine he was probably the plumber and repairman for his rental units as well, right?


:roll:
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I realize that you have a significant fondness for Trump. And no matter what, you're going to defend the man. So....do we really need to have more exchanges about his decades of chronicled unscrupulous business dealings?
 
MaggieD said:
Donald Trump is not a racist, and that is what this thread is about.
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It's actually about Trump's words, empowering racists. Which they have.

Trump is probably about as racist as the average billionaire white man, raised wealthy in New York, who is not strongly identify with any ethnic culture/religion. I doubt seriously he's a white nationalist in the closet.

But that was not the issue with what Trump did. Even Bannon has specifically, in his allegedly accidental on-record interview just this week, stated that white nationalists are fools, and he uses them to rile up democrats. Trump was doing just that, using white nationalists to rile up Democrats.

That he is, or is not himself a racist, IMO, has never been the big issue with what Trump chose to do, and continues to do, as related to the VA stuff.
 
MaggieD said:
There is a difference between bigotry and racism. Bigots are prejudiced and act on their prejudices. Racism is believing your race is superior to all others. Hitler was a racist. Members of the KKK are racist. Donald Trump is not a racist, and that is what this thread is about.
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Maggie, would you agree that in your opinion, Trump isn't a racist?

Do you believe that decades of his documented unscrupulous business conduct - wouldn't show some evidence of him being racist?

Not all bigots are racists, but all racists are bigots. So by your observations and his decades of chronicled history, do you think that he's just merely a bigot? Or do you honestly believe that Trump is neither?
 
The answer is YES.

Logic:

White Supremacists are racists and have openly claimed that they are empowered by Trump. Ergo, Trump empowers their racism.

One can argue for days about what they think Trump's intents and words meant to them. But that's not the question here. The question is simply: Does Trump empower the White Supremacists? Only they could answer it, and they have. He has justified their actions for them.
 
Removable Mind said:
Maggie, would you agree that in your opinion, Trump isn't a racist?

Do you believe that decades of his documented unscrupulous business conduct - wouldn't show some evidence of him being racist?

Not all bigots are racists, but all racists are bigots. So by your observations and his decades of chronicled history, do you think that he's just merely a bigot? Or do you honestly believe that Trump is neither?
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I agree. In my opinion Trump is not a racist. Bigoted? I think is. Untrainable? Yes, most likely. He embarrasses his supporters with his unfiltered and, frankly, many times (too many) ignorant remarks. I hope that clears up where I stand. I've stood there for quite a while, frankly, but my recent brain transplant has brought me out of the closet.
 
Winchester said:
Of course, you know what the OP's question was don't you?
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So... he calls Neo Nazis, White Supremacists, the KKK "Criminals and Thugs" and also refers to them as "Repugnant"....

David Duke Thanks him for it....

And somehow Trump has made himself an ally of the KKK??????
 
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