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What did you think of Trump's overall response to Charlottesville?

What did you think of Trump's overall response to Charlottesville?

  • I was pleased with his response.

    Votes: 4 12.1%

  • I was not pleased with his response.

    Votes: 23 69.7%

  • I have no strong opinion one way or the other.

    Votes: 5 15.2%

  • I don't believe Trump should've responed at all.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other (Please Explain)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • The kids in Bristol are sharp as a pistol when they do the Bristol Stomp!

    Votes: 1 3.0%
  • Total voters
    33
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Simple question: What did you think of Trump's overall response to Charlottesville?
 
I thought he was on the money...there's enough blame to go around...all sides who attended should take responsibility for what happened...
 
What I expected, I'm sorry to say. He needs to divide the country,divert the media from the investigation and destroy us from within with his agenda and those he has placed in power in the WH and the administration in order to stay in power.

He's willing to throw his lot in with white supremacists because he has seen that his party won't call him out.

And if you're not enraged, you're not paying attention.
 
The liberals gave us a standard:

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - attributed to Martin Luther King, Jr. but presumed to be plagiarized

It takes two to tangle and the masses assume that all whites are evil and nazis - more of that guilt by association

I am sickened by the liberal media and those suits that pretend that whites are not as good as the rest of the people in this country. The bigotry and racism they espouse is quite excessive when compared to what the white people have asked their elected leadership - excuse me EX leadership for.... equal protection of the laws.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Simple question: What did you think of Trump's overall response to Charlottesville?
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I've been reluctant to post a thorough take on Trump's response to the demonstration, the counter-protest, and the violence that culminated in death and injury. I come from a conservative family and believe it or not, they have cheered on the President's attempt at objectivity and fairness. Some in my own family have basically said, "the right has been angry for 8 years and now the time of reckoning is here, because the right is not going to stand the left rioting to destroy our property and history." So, that perspective is a real phenomenon in my life.

I don't know what video Trump watched where the "alt-left" was charging the "alt-right" with clubs. I saw the video of a neo-nazi intentionally weaponizing a car to a fatal outcome. It takes precious few views of that video, to see that was a crime with intent and malice. If I could find one word for my reaction to Trump's press conference from Tuesday; it would be "insulting". What self respecting American believes that, in the wake of tragedies, Trump cares deeply about accuracy and waiting for the facts, rather than manipulating them to score political points?? Remember when Trump misrepresented the Mayor of London's statements during the London Bridge Attack?

Another angle to consider: If any left group such as BLM or Antifa had perpetrated the murder of an innocent conservative protestor, Trump would have tweeted recklessly and in haste about them. And that goes double for if they had been a Muslim.

In addition, I feel like it is disingenuous to pretend that the protestors with torches were a bunch of innocuous history buffs standing up for the preservation of memory. Chants like "blood and soil" and "jews will not replace us" demonstrate they had different objectives. In my opinion they were a hostile reactionary sect, exploiting a hot button issue that should've stayed within their locality. And that they were using the statue, as a springboard to launch a national conversation about white supremacy, as well as finger how much support they have from Trump.

The issue of the statue being taken down was voted on by city council. So, if Charlottesville didn't like the outcome.. well, they voted those councilmen into office and they should've applied electoral pressure to their representatives when it mattered. Those representative represent you, that's how democracy works. I get that they didn't vote the way you wanted. Sorry, sometimes democracy hurts feelings. :shrug: They are free to protest all they want. But, killing someone for not getting your way, is undemocratic and decidedly not American.
 
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Jredbaron96 said:
Simple question: What did you think of Trump's overall response to Charlottesville?
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It was rather telling how, after all that vitriol directed at POWs and newspapers, he practically had to be dragged to condemn Neo Nazis.
 
The Resister said:
The liberals gave us a standard:

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - attributed to Martin Luther King, Jr. but presumed to be plagiarized

It takes two to tangle and the masses assume that all whites are evil and nazis - more of that guilt by association

I am sickened by the liberal media and those suits that pretend that whites are not as good as the rest of the people in this country. The bigotry and racism they espouse is quite excessive when compared to what the white people have asked their elected leadership - excuse me EX leadership for.... equal protection of the laws.
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Who in mainstream media is claiming that all whites are evil? I'm not aware of a single mainstream journalist who holds that opinion. On the other hand, I do know David Duke hates all Jews and blacks and other people of color. I do know that the KKK and neo-Nazis want to deny equal protection under the law for minorities, and deny them due process of the law as well, in addition to banning freedom of speech, individual liberty and capitalism. I have a feeling you are merely projecting here.
 
One of the most telling moments in US presidential history, and he completely exposed his utter incompetency and the utter moral bankruptcy of both himself and his party.
 
The Resister said:
The liberals gave us a standard:

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - attributed to Martin Luther King, Jr. but presumed to be plagiarized
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No, it's not presumed to be plagiarized by any rational adult.
It takes two to tangle and the masses assume that all whites are evil and nazis - more of that guilt by association
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No, there's no evidence that that's what 'the masses' assume. What a quaint self-delusion.
I am sickened by the liberal media and those suits that pretend that whites are not as good as the rest of the people in this country. The bigotry and racism they espouse is quite excessive when compared to what the white people have asked their elected leadership - excuse me EX leadership for.... equal protection of the laws.
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No one is pretending that. Fixtures and visions of one's imagination don't really serve well as a basis for a cogent argument.
 
This is fascinating. How leftists can contort Trump's comments into these idiotic comments is beyond belief. Michael Savage was right 12 years ago, and NOTHING has changed. In fact, it's only gotten worse. Liberalism it a mental disorder. Wow.
 
The Resister said:
The liberals gave us a standard:

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - attributed to Martin Luther King, Jr. but presumed to be plagiarized

It takes two to tangle and the masses assume that all whites are evil and nazis - more of that guilt by association

I am sickened by the liberal media and those suits that pretend that whites are not as good as the rest of the people in this country. The bigotry and racism they espouse is quite excessive when compared to what the white people have asked their elected leadership - excuse me EX leadership for.... equal protection of the laws.
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It's 'it takes two to tango.' two to tango. the tango is a partner's dance widely considered the most intimate of dances.
 
Wisdom said:
Who in mainstream media is claiming that all whites are evil? I'm not aware of a single mainstream journalist who holds that opinion. On the other hand, I do know David Duke hates all Jews and blacks and other people of color. I do know that the KKK and neo-Nazis want to deny equal protection under the law for minorities, and deny them due process of the law as well, in addition to banning freedom of speech, individual liberty and capitalism. I have a feeling you are merely projecting here.
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Have you, as a point of fact, ever met with and talked to David Duke?

All day today the news has been going on and the corporations that worked with Trump are jumping ship because he said that some of the people on the protest side were fine people.

Traitors to this country serving under Trump act embarrassed that Trump would dare point out both sides were equally guilty for the violence. This steady stream of politicians that have had something negative to say presume that all the whites at the protest were motivated by hate and were connected to nazis. OTOH, had they said something to me like that - to my face, they'd be eating their teeth. I wonder how long they'd take it if all of a sudden BLM, the ADL and most of the left was being equated to being hate groups (and a lot of them ARE) and they were being the victims of guilt by association????
 
Winston said:
It's 'it takes two to tango.' two to tango. the tango is a partner's dance widely considered the most intimate of dances.
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It's what you call a play on words, son.

"Word play is verbal wit: the manipulation of language (in particular, the sounds and meanings of words) with the intent to amuse. Also known as logology and verbal play."

https://www.thoughtco.com/word-play-definition-1692504
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Simple question: What did you think of Trump's overall response to Charlottesville?
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Going to only speak of the first response...everything after is flailing that ranges from good to bad, but going to speak more in terms of the initial.

Had he ONLY responded regarding the violence, and condemned it in a general across the board fashion, I would've been fine and appropriate but felt it was lacking from a personal stand point. This is because ultimately it was the VIOLENCE, not the protest itself, that rose it to the level of a President needing to make a comment and thus commenting only on the violence would have been at least reasonable and acceptable imho.

Had he responded regarding the violence, and condemned it in a general across the board fashion, while also making it a point to call out the hateful and vile nazi's that were the spotlight of the protest in terms of their ideology and it's unacceptable nature, I would've felt it was the perfect and most apt response to make. I think undercutting the Nazi's belief that they have an ally in the White House on the whole of their ideology would be a beneficial thing and worth doing.

However, what Trump ultimately did was not only condemn the violence, but also the hatred and bigotry, in a general across the board fashion. This, too me, missed the mark. While I feel that criticism of the engagement in violence being across the board was reasonable, as both sides significantly contributed to the violent situation that occurred, attempting to equate the bigotry and hatred of Nazi's, the KKK, and White Surpemacists to those of the counter protesters is just wrong.

The Violence speaks of actions. The hatred, to a point, can speak of actions and ideology. However the bigotry part, that speaks of ideology.

The ideology of the Nazis, of the KKK, of the White Supremacists, and of the White Nationalists is indisputably more bigoted than that of the counter protester groups, even the more controversial ones like Antifa and BLM. Even if you think BLM's view of the justice system is wrong, their ideology is simply wishing the justice system to treat Blacks in a way that is equitable and comparable to whites. White Nationalists want the law and the systems within the country to explicitly be setup in a fashion that assures that a White National Identity is maintained. One of those things is inherently more bigoted than the other.

So overall, I was disappointed and negative towards Trumps comment. I had no issue with him condemning the violence on an across the board fashion, but IF he was going to talk about the "bigotry" of the matter as well then he should not have done that in an across the board fashion as well. By doing that, he weakened his statement and made it a disappointing one.

(Just as a note, before anyone goes "But BLM is about killing cops! They say fry them like bacon!". No, no it's not. SOME BLM members think that way, a small minority of them. That's not the primary goals of the organization as stated by those running it or the majority of it's followers. Just like my I'm not treating american Nazi's as automatically being in favor of literally carrying out another nation wide genocide of jewish people, despite some within it's ranks possibly desiring that, since that's not something that from what I can tell is actively pushed or argued for via the actual Nazi party.)
 
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Wherein "Other" means... I think he's a flaming retard.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Simple question: What did you think of Trump's overall response to Charlottesville?
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I thought it was pretty good... he could have worded himself better but that is nothing new.
 
Parrish said:
What I expected, I'm sorry to say. He needs to divide the country,divert the media from the investigation and destroy us from within with his agenda and those he has placed in power in the WH and the administration in order to stay in power.

He's willing to throw his lot in with white supremacists because he has seen that his party won't call him out.

And if you're not enraged, you're not paying attention.
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There really is no need to put your lean as : undisclosed.

It is very clear you are a far left liberal.
 
Winston said:
I've been reluctant to post a thorough take on Trump's response to the demonstration, the counter-protest, and the violence that culminated in death and injury. I come from a conservative family and believe it or not, they have cheered on the President's attempt at objectivity and fairness. Some in my own family have basically said, "the right has been angry for 8 years and now the time of reckoning is here, because the right is not going to stand the left rioting to destroy our property and history." So, that perspective is a real phenomenon in my life.

I don't know what video Trump watched where the "alt-left" was charging the "alt-right" with clubs. I saw the video of a neo-nazi intentionally weaponizing a car to a fatal outcome. It takes precious few views of that video, to see that was a crime with intent and malice. If I could find one word for my reaction to Trump's press conference from Tuesday; it would be "insulting". What self respecting American believes that, in the wake of tragedies, Trump cares deeply about accuracy and waiting for the facts, rather than manipulating them to score political points?? Remember when Trump misrepresented the Mayor of London's statements during the London Bridge Attack?

Another angle to consider: If any left group such as BLM or Antifa had perpetrated the murder of an innocent conservative protestor, Trump would have tweeted recklessly and in haste about them. And that goes double for if they had been a Muslim.

In addition, I feel like it is disingenuous to pretend that the protestors with torches were a bunch of innocuous history buffs standing up for the preservation of memory. Chants like "blood and soil" and "jews will not replace us" demonstrate they had different objectives. In my opinion they were a hostile reactionary sect, exploiting a hot button issue that should've stayed within their locality. And that they were using the statue, as a springboard to launch a national conversation about white supremacy, as well as finger how much support they have from Trump.

The issue of the statue being taken down was voted on by city council. So, if Charlottesville didn't like the outcome.. well, they voted those councilmen into office and they should've applied electoral pressure to their representatives when it mattered. Those representative represent you, that's how democracy works. I get that they didn't vote the way you wanted. Sorry, sometimes democracy hurts feelings. :shrug: They are free to protest all they want. But, killing someone for not getting your way, is undemocratic and decidedly not American.
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That reaction from your family is exactly the response the Nazi's are trying to illicit, which is why they go through the trouble of getting the permits and portray themselves as the ones going about it the legal way so when Antifa shows up and the violence begins they can pretend to have the moral high ground. Antifa is unwittingly helping them recreate the same atmosphere that helped get Hitler into power. If we want to stop them then we must challenge them in the marketplace of ideas, violence only helps them play at being a victim.

As for the OP, I believe he was right to call out both sides but I believe he should have done more and I don't like that it seemed as if he was trying to disassociate the Alt-Right from the Nazis, I wish he would call them out for exactly what they are.
 
Wisdom said:
Who in mainstream media is claiming that all whites are evil? I'm not aware of a single mainstream journalist who holds that opinion. On the other hand, I do know David Duke hates all Jews and blacks and other people of color. I do know that the KKK and neo-Nazis want to deny equal protection under the law for minorities, and deny them due process of the law as well, in addition to banning freedom of speech, individual liberty and capitalism. I have a feeling you are merely projecting here.
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And your party was led by Robert Byrd, KKK and was as Hillary Clinton said " my mentor".

This is just a one sided MSM conveniently ignoring the other side, and the police giving them the show they wanted to replace the failed Russia rabbit.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Simple question: What did you think of Trump's overall response to Charlottesville?
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There is a racial divide in this country brought out into the open by Trump. The alt-right is now part of his base. America needs a unifier. Trump has chosen to divide instead.

Very serious questions are now popping up that question his mental state. Whether or not that is cause for impeachment I am not sure. But people from outside the country are increasingly becoming concerned that Trump could very well have issues reading between the lines. Maybe at the end the people who will continue to support him are the white racists and the dumb and ignorant wings of his base.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
No, it's not presumed to be plagiarized by any rational adult.


Yes, King was known for his plagiarism

No, there's no evidence that that's what 'the masses' assume. What a quaint self-delusion.

What an absolutely idiotic and meaningless statement

No one is pretending that. Fixtures and visions of one's imagination don't really serve well as a basis for a cogent argument. You are wasting my time with rubbish
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The next time you want to criticize someone do it in English with words that actually mean something.
 
Zyphlin said:
Going to only speak of the first response...everything after is flailing that ranges from good to bad, but going to speak more in terms of the initial.

Had he ONLY responded regarding the violence, and condemned it in a general across the board fashion, I would've been fine and appropriate but felt it was lacking from a personal stand point. This is because ultimately it was the VIOLENCE, not the protest itself, that rose it to the level of a President needing to make a comment and thus commenting only on the violence would have been at least reasonable and acceptable imho.

Had he responded regarding the violence, and condemned it in a general across the board fashion, while also making it a point to call out the hateful and vile nazi's that were the spotlight of the protest in terms of their ideology and it's unacceptable nature, I would've felt it was the perfect and most apt response to make. I think undercutting the Nazi's belief that they have an ally in the White House on the whole of their ideology would be a beneficial thing and worth doing.

However, what Trump ultimately did was not only condemn the violence, but also the hatred and bigotry, in a general across the board fashion. This, too me, missed the mark. While I feel that criticism of the engagement in violence being across the board was reasonable, as both sides significantly contributed to the violent situation that occurred, attempting to equate the bigotry and hatred of Nazi's, the KKK, and White Surpemacists to those of the counter protesters is just wrong.

The Violence speaks of actions. The hatred, to a point, can speak of actions and ideology. However the bigotry part, that speaks of ideology.

The ideology of the Nazis, of the KKK, of the White Supremacists, and of the White Nationalists is indisputably more bigoted than that of the counter protester groups, even the more controversial ones like Antifa and BLM. Even if you think BLM's view of the justice system is wrong, their ideology is simply wishing the justice system to treat Blacks in a way that is equitable and comparable to whites. White Nationalists want the law and the systems within the country to explicitly be setup in a fashion that assures that a White National Identity is maintained. One of those things is inherently more bigoted than the other.

So overall, I was disappointed and negative towards Trumps comment. I had no issue with him condemning the violence on an across the board fashion, but IF he was going to talk about the "bigotry" of the matter as well then he should not have done that in an across the board fashion as well. By doing that, he weakened his statement and made it a disappointing one.

(Just as a note, before anyone goes "But BLM is about killing cops! They say fry them like bacon!". No, no it's not. SOME BLM members think that way, a small minority of them. That's not the primary goals of the organization as stated by those running it or the majority of it's followers. Just like my I'm not treating american Nazi's as automatically being in favor of literally carrying out another nation wide genocide of jewish people, despite some within it's ranks possibly desiring that, since that's not something that from what I can tell is actively pushed or argued for via the actual Nazi party.)
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Having been around both sides and involved in this issue for a few decades, I find that you have a considerable ways to go before you are experienced enough to understand this subject.

If you go to China, it is over 98 percent Chinese. I keep pointing out that there are more Chinese in China than there are white people on the face of the earth. Japan is the same way. NOBODY ever accuses them of a bigoted culture. The United States spends more than EIGHT BILLION DOLLARS per year to help maintain a homeland for the Israelis. But, right here in America, everybody has a problem with the white people.

Since the beginnings of our nation, our founders saw us as being the Israelites of the Bible and America as the New Jerusalem. All the way up to Ronald Reagan our leaders recognized America as being that shining city on a hill mentioned in the Bible. The United States sent more missionaries out into the world that the rest of the nations combined. We were the major force in fighting wars to end oppression and tyranny in the rest of the world and then we used our money to help rebuild those war torn countries. When we were attuned to our destiny, we gave billions upon billions of dollars to less fortunate nations.

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While our Constitution was written to secure the blessings of Liberty for the posterity of the founding fathers, we still opened our doors so that people from all over the world came here to take advantage of opportunities willingly offered. We were among the first countries to abolish slavery and we've fought our own brethren in order to protect the unalienable Rights of other people.

Today we witness a nation wherein the concept of family is under constant assault. It's a nation that has to promote the LGBT agenda and if you resist that, you are a bigot. What you don't understand, it works both ways. In the job market, the whites handicapped themselves by trusting in a POLICE STATE, but we flooded our country with foreigners and locked ourselves out of the job market with the atmosphere of the pee test, blood test, hair sample, mvr check, credit check, criminal background check, driver’s license, National ID Card / E Verify, Socialist Surveillance Number – ooop. “Social Security Number,” birth certificate, occupation license, credit card, firearms license, proof of insurance, DNA sample, fingerprints, and access to your social media accounts to the point that many Americans cannot get a job.

But, on top of that, there are assaults against the religion of the whites and there is this effort to remove all the statues, monuments and memorials of our predecessors. The faces of our founding fathers and predecessors are being taken off the currency and the Right to Freedom of Association is being attacked by real bigots that want to impose on the personal, religious and social views on whites that seek to advance, defend, protect, and preserve their race, culture and history. We've helped every race, color, creed, religion and belief to do those same things, but now we're being called racists, bigots, and worse (when the critics have to resort to despicable lies - as differentiated by outright lies.) The real bigots are even changing street signs and the names of schools and government buildings so as to erase all traces of our history.

The subtle genocide against the whites is coming to fruition, but it will not be completed without a real fight. At least I pray for that level of resistance. The psychology of using emotion laden buzz words to hide the evil plot of genocide against the whites is about to be tested. I'm praying for victory and that scares the hell out of those who seek to kill off the race that created this Republic
 
Glowpun said:
There is a racial divide in this country brought out into the open by Trump. The alt-right is now part of his base. America needs a unifier. Trump has chosen to divide instead.

Very serious questions are now popping up that question his mental state. Whether or not that is cause for impeachment I am not sure. But people from outside the country are increasingly becoming concerned that Trump could very well have issues reading between the lines. Maybe at the end the people who will continue to support him are the white racists and the dumb and ignorant wings of his base.
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How can we unify when the politicians on both sides want to accuse the whites of being the problem because they dare to stand up for their Rights?
 
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