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Is Trump a racist- bigot?

Is Trump a racist- bigot?

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Mycroft said:
Here are his original comments. I see nothing racist or bigoted here.

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There's more to it than just this video:

1. If he was talking on political violence in general, yes, this statement would've been satisfactory. However, the Charlottesville issue was much different and was perpetrated and instigated--for the most part--by white supremacists, white nationalists, Neo-Nazis, etc. Not to mention, one of those WS/WN/NN used their car as a weapon in an act of terrorism, killing one and injuring over 20.

2. Trump has long been someone who has strongly and irrationally been quick to condemn and insult A LOT of people and entities. Most of his supporters liked him for that reason. He's quick to paint other groups with a broad stroke, including Mexicans, Hispanics, Muslims, liberals, and has insulted PoW's like McCain, people with disabilities, Mexicans, Muslims, etc. Trump has been quick to do all this and generalize people, but now all of a sudden, he's an advocate for "getting the facts first" and allowing those hate groups nuance.

3. He literally said, in the most recent presser, that there are very fine people on both sides. You can say this about Republicans and Democrats, no matter how you lean politically. But groups chanting things like, "Jews will not replace us", "F**k you, f*****s", and invoking Nazi symbolism as they chant "Heil Trump", aren't fine people.
 
Lyndon'sJohnson said:
Unsure.

There's a ton of layers to this. Is Trump explicitly racist or bigoted? Some may say yes. Could Trump just be implicitly racist or bigoted? Maybe. Is Trump himself racist/bigoted--explicitly or implicitly--or is it simply his policies that are? Does Trump actually believe what he says? Or is he just trying to pander to his base? Who knows?

One thing you can say for sure: a lot of his rhetoric is borrowed from the David Dukes and Richard Spencers of the world, which is troubling. His rhetoric has also emboldened white supremacist groups and given them legitimacy (especially when he fails to condemn them as strongly as he condemns just about anybody or anything else).
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Unsure? Sounds like you're pretty sure to me. :roll:
 
Mycroft said:
I apologize. I posted the link with the time marker set to start at about the 35 minute mark. It doesn't seem to work right. Go to that mark and you'll quickly hear Trumps statements.
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Thank you. This is a hot topic and I will try to watch on Thursday, but my daughter has me quite busy
 
Crystal said:
Is he? How can you know what is in a man's heart. What I took away from what he had to say was the white supremiscists were there marching in protest of a statue being taken down. That they were there legally having obtained the proper permits! Now you must ask yourself does the right to assembly and the right to free speech only apply to people you like? Are you ready to abandon those rights? Secondly you must ask yourself if the protestors who came armed with clubs and flame throwers have a right to physically attack white supremacists? This country is degrading rapidly. Me? I don't like white supremacists. I also don't like racism in any form from any side. So, I see Trump's point that both sides were the problem.
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Oh yes, both sides had permits, and the anti WS/Nazis did not need a permit to protest at that location
Do you have a link for flame throwers? 1st i heard of that??
 
Mach said:
People do seem to be taking comfort in knowing that while they clearly share many alt-right views and support Trump, they don't have to wear the mantle of a white nationalist in doing so.
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Well ya leave with who brought you to the dance.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump Is Right, he is almost the only one willing to speak truth which violates the precepts of Victim Culture, which means that yet again PATRIOT TRUMP showed up to play.

I have spoken on this at length over the last 24 hours, so that is all I leave here.
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Why stop at this thread?
 
Lyndon'sJohnson said:
There's more to it than just this video:

1. If he was talking on political violence in general, yes, this statement would've been satisfactory. However, the Charlottesville issue was much different and was perpetrated and instigated--for the most part--by white supremacists, white nationalists, Neo-Nazis, etc. Not to mention, one of those WS/WN/NN used their car as a weapon in an act of terrorism, killing one and injuring over 20.
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The violence wasn't instigated by those you mention. It was instigated by Antifa...as reported by eyewitnesses. In any case, Trump called for an end of and nonacceptance of the violence, hatred and bigotry from ALL those involved. He didn't single out one side or the other as everyone else seems to want to do. In effect, everyone else condones and supports the violence from Antifa. Trump doesn't.

2. Trump has long been someone who has strongly and irrationally been quick to condemn and insult A LOT of people and entities. Most of his supporters liked him for that reason. He's quick to paint other groups with a broad stroke, including Mexicans, Hispanics, Muslims, liberals, and has insulted PoW's like McCain, people with disabilities, Mexicans, Muslims, etc. Trump has been quick to do all this and generalize people, but now all of a sudden, he's an advocate for "getting the facts first" and allowing those hate groups nuance.
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This part of your post is useless because it simply repeats previous spin, innuendo and lies from the Mainstream Media about things Trump has said in the past. He has never said a racist or bigoted thing at all.

3. He literally said, in the most recent presser, that there are very fine people on both sides. You can say this about Republicans and Democrats, no matter how you lean politically. But groups chanting things like, "Jews will not replace us", "F**k you, f*****s", and invoking Nazi symbolism as they chant "Heil Trump", aren't fine people.
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Neither are people who will quickly slice a person with a box cutter just because they weren't quick to condemn "Nazis".

Man Stabbed By Antifa Mob Outside His Home For Not Condemning 'Nazis' Hard Enough - Big League Politics
 
countryboy said:
Unsure? Sounds like you're pretty sure to me. :roll:
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My post explains exactly why I'm unsure. It's not as simple as saying he's racist or bigoted. He can be explicit, implicit, or literally not believe any of it just to pander to his base and their talking points. Who knows? What I'm unsure about is which of those three is it?

What we know for sure is his rhetoric aligns with what white supremacists and nationalists have been saying for years (which is why they strongly support Trump). Its no coincidence many of those protesting wore Trump paraphernalia and yelled out pro-Trump chants.
 
JANFU said:
Is Trump a racist- bigot?

We have seen the comments, enough where many have come to an opinion.
Seems we have been dancing around this.
I am still undecided

Bigot Yes - Pls explain

Bigot No - Pls explain

Unsure - Pls explain

Racist Yes - Pls explain

Racist No - Pls explain

Unsure – Pls explain

I agree with Trumps comments -Pls explain

Comments were pandering to his base - Pls explain

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot



https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
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I voted he is both racist and bigoted. I would definitely say he is racist. Look at his campaign rhetoric. Also, the guy has retweeted white supremacists propaganda.
 
JANFU said:
I see people vote- well if you voted - prove your point.
Maggie-Thought Ex? prove your point
I will name and shame- ya vote- the poll is clear.
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Since you're in favor of labeling Trump as a 'racist', the onus is squarely on you to prove your point.

You're telling the defense team to 'prove he's not guilty'. That's the opposite of how things work.
 
Lyndon'sJohnson said:
Unsure.

There's a ton of layers to this. Is Trump explicitly racist or bigoted? Some may say yes. Could Trump just be implicitly racist or bigoted? Maybe. Is Trump himself racist/bigoted--explicitly or implicitly--or is it simply his policies that are? Does Trump actually believe what he says? Or is he just trying to pander to his base? Who knows?

One thing you can say for sure: a lot of his rhetoric is borrowed from the David Dukes and Richard Spencers of the world, which is troubling. His rhetoric has also emboldened white supremacist groups and given them legitimacy (especially when he fails to condemn them as strongly as he condemns just about anybody or anything else).
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You have the media getting everyone shouting at each other, yet today's political climate, just being white makes you a bigot. The media reinforces this by cutting out video of the violent left.
 
Lyndon'sJohnson said:
My post explains exactly why I'm unsure. It's not as simple as saying he's racist or bigoted. He can be explicit, implicit, or literally not believe any of it just to pander to his base and their talking points. Who knows? What I'm unsure about is which of those three is it?

What we know for sure is his rhetoric aligns with what white supremacists and nationalists have been saying for years (which is why they strongly support Trump). Its no coincidence many of those protesting wore Trump paraphernalia and yelled out pro-Trump chants.
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You're sure, you're just attemping (and failing) to sound as if you've really put a lot of thought into this. While this might impress, and even fool some of the mindless drones, actual thinking people know better. ;)
 
JANFU said:
Instead of a rant, use his comments to back your position.
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The side President Trump took was with upstanding, law abiding American citizens.

Hint: nazis, BLM, or antifa don't qualify as law abiding upstanding American citizens.
 
Mycroft said:
He hasn't shown any action or characteristic that meets the definitions of the two terms.
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Other than being in court with his dad facing charges regarding their racist landlord activities, and his policy revesals on gay issues.
 
JANFU said:
Is Trump a racist- bigot?

We have seen the comments, enough where many have come to an opinion.
Seems we have been dancing around this.
I am still undecided

Bigot Yes - Pls explain

Bigot No - Pls explain

Unsure - Pls explain

Racist Yes - Pls explain

Racist No - Pls explain

Unsure – Pls explain

I agree with Trumps comments -Pls explain

Comments were pandering to his base - Pls explain

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot



https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
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Everyone is a racist and a bigot. It's just a matter of the degree.
 
Well he has proven time and time again he is bigoted. As for racists there's no actually proof of that. There may be things that seem suspicious or hint at it but nothing that makes it a definite.
 
countryboy said:
You're sure, you're just attemping (and failing) to sound as if you've really put a lot of thought into this. While this might impress, and even fool some of the mindless drones, actual thinking people know better. ;)
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Actually it doesn't take a lot of thinking to come to the conclusion his rhetoric aligns with white supremacist ideals. If you don't think so, you're either not paying attention enough OR don't hold leaders you supported accountable.

I was trying to find a better way to approach this question reasonably, not to impress people, but because reason is lacking in our discourse. Just offering another perspective other than the lazily boring takes most people have on this issue. ;)
 
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I don't think he's a racist, but he is a carrier.
 
Top Cat said:
Trump has a Doctorate.
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That is just your rabid liberal opinion. I just read something about Trump supporters continuing to support him and one lady they interviewed was black. I'm sure you are aware that some of his family are Jewish. It is the left who paints Trump as a racist and a bigot for their political gain. Just because white supremacists support him doesn't mean Trump himself agrees with them. I don't see the left disowning the antifa. In fact they seem to cheer them on.
 
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