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The Statues of Unliberty

What should be done about the eight Confederate sculptures in Congress?

  • Congress should order their removal.

    Votes: 9 23.7%

  • Congress should do nothing at all.

    Votes: 15 39.5%

  • Their fate is up to the respective states who selected the eight Confederate figures.

    Votes: 9 23.7%

  • Other - Please explain in a post.

    Votes: 5 13.2%
  • Total voters
    38
  • Poll closed .
Jesse Booth said:
They're as instrumental to our form as any other adversary. I would no more expect the capitol of the nation to house one of their statues than for Austin, Texas to have a monument dedicated to Santa Anna, even though he fought for the sovereignty of that region of Mexico at one point.
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You forget that he was united states congressman, a senator for mississippi, and the secratery of war. These are very high and respectable positions. He aslo argued agaisnt the southern states leaving the union. Your Santa Anna fails incomparison
 
haymarket said:
For our side..... which won.
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So, you are saying that if the South would have won the Civil War then they would have been heroes, if the white supremacists eventually win they will be heroes. if Hitler would have won he and his team would be heroes, and if ISIS wins they will be heroes?
 
Moderate Right said:
So, you are saying that if the South would have won the Civil War then they would have been heroes, if the white supremacists eventually win they will be heroes. if Hitler would have won he and his team would be heroes, and if ISIS wins they will be heroes?
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It is the victors who rewrite history.

How often do you see any mention that the south rebelled, not because of slavery, but because of 10th amendment issues?
 
The statues should be remanded back to their own states should they eventually be removed "for a good purpose" and remain in their own dedicated housing. Or a relevant courthouse within that state, most preferably somewhere related to where the individual figure was born "if possible".

The statues are a representation of our national history, though it may not be the best of histories. It is still a history that I would be remised myself, if we fought so hard only to forget it. This is a reminder at its base, no matter how sour that reminder may be.
 
Moderate Right said:
So, you are saying that if the South would have won the Civil War then they would have been heroes, if the white supremacists eventually win they will be heroes. if Hitler would have won he and his team would be heroes, and if ISIS wins they will be heroes?
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I believe the applicable quote is HISTORY IS WRITTEN BY THE WINNERS.
 
National Statuary Hall became law on July 2, 1864 (sec. 1814 of the Revised Statutes).

Each statue is the gift of a state, not of an individual or group of citizens. Proceedings for the donation of a statue usually begin in the state legislature with the enactment of a resolution that names the citizen to be commemorated and cites his or her qualifications, specifies a committee or commission to represent the state in selecting the sculptor, and provides for a method of obtaining the necessary funds to carry the resolution into effect. In recent years, the statues have been unveiled during ceremonies in the Rotunda and displayed there for up to six months. They are then moved to a permanent location approved by the Joint Committee on the Library.

https://www.aoc.gov/art/national-statuary-hall-collection/about-national-statuary-hall-collection


Not sure if there is a process for the statues to be removed. Maybe if a state decided to remove it?
What will be next on the list for removal...... A mob mentality is a very dangerous way to think.
 
haymarket said:
And the Chicago Cubs won the World Series.

And both have nothing to do with my post.
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Sure as hell do. You said "History is written by the winners" and I said Trump won. Therefore, you have to accept the fact that Trump is a winner in history and that history gives him a mandate simply by being the winner.
 
Moderate Right said:
Sure as hell do. You said "History is written by the winners" and I said Trump won. Therefore, you have to accept the fact that Trump is a winner in history and that history gives him a mandate simply by being the winner.
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Your comment has nothing to do with the comment from me you pretended you were replying to but simply used it as another pro Trump springboard knee jerk comment.
 
haymarket said:
Your comment has nothing to do with the comment from me you pretended you were replying to but simply used it as another pro Trump springboard knee jerk comment.
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I guess that means you're taking back what you said. I understand.
 
Moderate Right said:
Sure as hell do. You said "History is written by the winners" and I said Trump won. Therefore, you have to accept the fact that Trump is a winner in history and that history gives him a mandate simply by being the winner.
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Trump didn't win.

Clinton lost.

Edit: By which I mean, Clinton being his opponent is like 75%+ of the reason he's president now...at a guess.

Voters, especially in the areas he won by large margins, despise Clinton as an example of the establishment they distrust completely.

Hell, even with this bull****, over the last few days, people would probably still vote for Trump over Clinton. Because of how much they despise Clinton.

Rightly or wrongly, that complete lack of trust in a candidate inability to find or create any meant Trump was basically handed the election win on a sliver platter.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
It is the victors who rewrite history.

How often do you see any mention that the south rebelled, not because of slavery, but because of 10th amendment issues?
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The victors didn't write the state declarations of secession attributing their treason to slavery. Those were the words of the traitors themselves.
 
The Mark said:
Trump didn't win.

Clinton lost.

Edit: By which I mean, Clinton being his opponent is like 75%+ of the reason he's president now...at a guess.

Voters, especially in the areas he won by large margins, despise Clinton as an example of the establishment they distrust completely.

Hell, even with this bull****, over the last few days, people would probably still vote for Trump over Clinton. Because of how much they despise Clinton.

Rightly or wrongly, that complete lack of trust in a candidate inability to find or create any meant Trump was basically handed the election win on a sliver platter.
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Bingo! But, the left doesn't understand this. They keep on making excuses and thinking that by just being anti-Trump they will win next time around. Of course that is what they thought before Trump won and they seem to have forgotten that that didn't work.
 
countryboy said:
Except that it's not. Book burnings are the next logical step. After that, jail time for anyone who speaks of the confederacy in a positive light!!!!!

All kidding aside, where does leftist fauxrage end? Answer, it DOESN'T.
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Maybe we should get rid of the Statue of Liberty, since it didn't work for everyone. Besides, she's white.
 
American said:
Maybe we should get rid of the Statue of Liberty, since it didn't work for everyone. Besides, she's white.
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We'll DEFINITELY hafta get rid of the Democrat party. They fought tooth and nail to keep slavery, and against civil rights.
 
countryboy said:
We'll DEFINITELY hafta get rid of the Democrat party. They fought tooth and nail to keep slavery, and against civil rights.
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Political Parties change, just like people.

And additionally, Political parties are made up of people, so they can change even faster, if the enough people of a specific belief system leave or join.
 
The Mark said:
Political Parties change, just like people.

And additionally, Political parties are made up of people, so they can change even faster, if the enough people of a specific belief system leave or join.
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Look up, that's the point sailing over your head. ;)
 
countryboy said:
Look up, that's the point sailing over your head. ;)
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No.
You attacked a sarcastic point with a straw man.

I saw your straw man, and pointed out that it was made of ****ing straw.
 
jdog21 said:
I think your missing their significance to creating the modern day country we have today.
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Yeah, significant. They precipitated a war that killed more Americans than any other war. There's an accomplishment that deserves recognition.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It is the victors who rewrite history.

How often do you see any mention that the south rebelled, not because of slavery, but because of 10th amendment issues?
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Doesn't matter why you rebel if you lose. Only matters that you did, rebel and lose. And in this case, those Confederate leaders started a war that killed more Americans than any other war. That's the accomplishment that's being honoured with statues in the hall of Congress.
 
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