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Should the rights of White Nationalists et al. be ignored/removed?

Should the rights be ignored/removed?


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True...after all the white rationalist had a permit to march so I am guessing their were there with the blessing of the city....did the leftist? Or were the anarchistic/fascist there just to disrupt.

I had that discussion with another poster. They called me on it and said the left did have a permit. They produced a news story to back the claim.

Be that as it may, if we want to assign blame, it goes to the thunderous idiot that issued permits for highly explosive political marches to two opposing groups on the same day and in the same venue. The government actually encouraged the confrontation.
 
Do you hold the same view of antifa bamn and redneck revolt, all who are textbook domestic terrorists, and were the groups who initiated the violence there to begin with or do you consider them non terrorists despite their entire doctrine promoting violence.

To a certain extent yes. Any group that uses violence, terror and hate as a means to persecute and intimidate people based on their race religion or sexual orientation. If the violence is aimed toward the skin heads, then I don't care. Shouldn't even be a crime. If the violence is aimed at white people then I do.

Call it hypocritical if you want but it isn't. It's the same across the board. I don't give a **** about Isis/Al Queda terrorists. They can be shot in the street. But violence against muslims is not ok. I don't care what happens to the New Black Panther party. But I do care about discrimination against black people.

As of right now I think Antifa is certainly bordering on that line. I don't know that I've seen or heard enough about bamn or redneck revolt to say.
 
Most questionable is the ''right to hate''. We should NOT try to do what is nigh impossible - changing the mind of a conservative ..

Did you just say conservatives hate?
 
Theres a qualitative difference between a cancer in society, and the aggressive chemotherapy required to treat it.

That is obviously a matter of opinion.

Which is the cancer and which is the cure.
 
To a certain extent yes. Any group that uses violence, terror and hate as a means to persecute and intimidate people based on their race religion or sexual orientation. If the violence is aimed toward the skin heads, then I don't care. Shouldn't even be a crime. If the violence is aimed at white people then I do.

Call it hypocritical if you want but it isn't. It's the same across the board. I don't give a **** about Isis/Al Queda terrorists. They can be shot in the street. But violence against muslims is not ok. I don't care what happens to the New Black Panther party. But I do care about discrimination against black people.

As of right now I think Antifa is certainly bordering on that line. I don't know that I've seen or heard enough about bamn or redneck revolt to say.

Bamn and redneck revolt are the most violent of the antifa groups. To put it simply antifa to anarchists is like radical islamic terrorism is to islam, it encompasses a wide group of terrorists, rather than an individual group.

Antifa has already hit the terrorist threshold by legal definitions, the white supremecists have not yet, keep in mind yet. The white supremecist groups are nobodies trying to regain their former glory, and antifa is helping them. Every time antifa gets violent and attacks them, they become the victims, and their opposition is shown as too violent, while the white supremecists gain attention.

It is a game they thought out but only works as long as the antifa side remains the most violent player, which they seem to have no issues being.
 
Absolute bull. The KKK was practically part of the government right into the 20th century. They learned how to "civilize" their racism on their own, once they realized that letting the government do it for them was far more effective anyway.

You need to learn your history on this subject. What sort of revisionism have you been steeping in?

Yeah, sure seems to be helping them now, doesn't it. ;)

Wow you claim the kkk being part of the govt helped them, which pretty much backs my they were sanctioned and protected. Hell they wore masks to hide their identities when they committed crimes and many were politicians.

So you basically wrote a post agreeing with me yet calling me wrong, you might need to actually educate yourself on the subject, as you can not even counter me without proving me right while calling me wrong.
 
Wow you claim the kkk being part of the govt helped them, which pretty much backs my they were sanctioned and protected. Hell they wore masks to hide their identities when they committed crimes and many were politicians.

So you basically wrote a post agreeing with me yet calling me wrong, you might need to actually educate yourself on the subject, as you can not even counter me without proving me right while calling me wrong.

Dude... we had OPEN KKK members IN the government WHILE they were members. I don't even know what you're on about at this point. You're just nattering about how right you are about... something? "Backs my they were..."? Ok then. 'Night.
 
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Dude... we had OPEN KKK members IN the government WHILE they were members. I don't even know what you're on about at this point. You're just nattering about how right you are about... something? "Backs my they were..."? Ok then. 'Night.

Well yes it backs my point exactly, you just seem unwilling to admit you were wrong or admit that the kkk was not crippled by violence but rather peaceful protest and the ending of govt sanctioning of their terrorist activities.

Now you have antifa with govt officials backing them, using the same protection and using the same moral high ground argument to support their terrorism.
 
Using "White Nationalist et al" to rope in White nationalists, white supremacists, the kkk, the Nazis, etc. In part because they're being talked about all together, in part because various people wish to call the groups in question any and all of those names. So just take it as a big entity.

So far in the past few days I've seen individuals here and elsewhere...

Equating attending a White Nationalism protest to performing sexual assault as it relates to justifications of termination in employment.

That engaging in a White Nationalist protest is a form of "injuring" someone due to their message, and as such assaulting such a protesters is justified.

That people should be embracing the Captain America spirit and punching the protesters for being Nazis.

Suggesting the protesters are Nazis, and then later following that up by calling for Nazi's to die.

That because they are pushing a White Nationalist message cities should deny them any permits to protest.

That "silence is the real violence", and that the physical confrontations are more justified than those that prefer to ignore these protests.

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So lets cut to the chase, because I think there could be an actual conversation had here.

Should the U.S. institute some form of law that would prevent groups like White Nationalists from being able to gather and protest to spread their message. Something like Denmarks criminal code that criminalizes "expressing and spreading racial hatred"?

Should the tenants and views of White Nationalism be codified into law as a generalized style of "fighting words", thus making any speech supportive of various White Nationalist ideals to be unprotected speech? Similar to the dissenting opinion of Justice Alito in Snyder v. Phelps regarding some of WBC's members comments during protests?

Should the U.S. pass laws that would disallow individuals to wear or show symbols common within the White Nationalist movement like the swastika or KKK robes? Similar to how Germany has banned public display of Nazi symbols, or Hungary disallows the Hammer and Sickle?

Should not legal action be taken, but rather an organized effort via the public and law enforcement to essentially nullify the illegality of any actions taken against White Nationalists via choosing not to arrest, not to charge, not to prosecute, and/or ultimately jury nullification? Would such a systematic, orchestrated manipulation of the legal system to create a defacto amnesty for any such violation be acceptable, and would it's precedence have any significant issues as it relates to our legal system in the future?

I don't bring this up flippantly or tongue in cheek; as I noted, many of the things I've said are actions that have been taken or suggested in other countries. However, for quite some time now many of these things have tried and failed to get a foothold here due to the American Ethos as it relates to the freedoms of speech, of protesting, and of belief. I think the views of many of those uttering things like above are generally a minority. With how heated things are though, it may be an interesting conversation to be had if some form of criminalization would be reasonable/acceptable.

I think any type of law would run a foul of the first amendment.
 
Bamn and redneck revolt are the most violent of the antifa groups. To put it simply antifa to anarchists is like radical islamic terrorism is to islam, it encompasses a wide group of terrorists, rather than an individual group.

Antifa has already hit the terrorist threshold by legal definitions, the white supremecists have not yet, keep in mind yet. The white supremecist groups are nobodies trying to regain their former glory, and antifa is helping them. Every time antifa gets violent and attacks them, they become the victims, and their opposition is shown as too violent, while the white supremecists gain attention.

It is a game they thought out but only works as long as the antifa side remains the most violent player, which they seem to have no issues being.

You are saying, let me make sure I have this, but you are saying that Antifa is a terrorist group but white supremacists aren't? Now not to defend Antifa completely but I would like to see a list of innocent people murdered in the name of Antifa over the last 10 years. Comparatively lets look at the list of people killed by white supremacists?
 
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You are saying, let me make sure I have this, but you are saying that Antifa is a terrorist group but white supremacists aren't? Now not to defend Antifa completely but I would like to see a list of people murdered in the name of Antifa over the last 10 years. Comparitively lets look at the list of people killed by white supremacists?

Murdered is not a requirement by the legal definition of terrorism, assaulting people counts under the definition, the brown shirts of nazi germany and the black shirts of italy fall under that exact definition. So long as that group violently attacks others over their political beliefs they are terrorists.

White supremecists do not fall under that group because political beliefs are not terrorism. They were in the past terrorists, most notable is the kkk, now they do not even fit under the definition. Keep in mind these groups do not plan violence either rather than expect it, their goal is to be attacked, by groups like antifa, so they can play victim and capitalise on the chaos to regain power, as people no matter how much they hate white supremecists will side with their own race in times of crisis, and the white supremecists are banking on it.
 
Murdered is not a requirement by the legal definition of terrorism, assaulting people counts under the definition, the brown shirts of nazi germany and the black shirts of italy fall under that exact definition. So long as that group violently attacks others over their political beliefs they are terrorists.

White supremecists do not fall under that group because political beliefs are not terrorism. They were in the past terrorists, most notable is the kkk, now they do not even fit under the definition. Keep in mind these groups do not plan violence either rather than expect it, their goal is to be attacked, by groups like antifa, so they can play victim and capitalise on the chaos to regain power, as people no matter how much they hate white supremecists will side with their own race in times of crisis, and the white supremecists are banking on it.

White supremacists use terror as a means to achieve political goals. Daily. They use violence and fear. They kill, beat, assault, rape, and rob for their political goals. If you really think that they are all out there peacefully protesting and that they are not doing anything wrong I cannot have any type of intelligent discussion with you. No need to reply, we are done.
 
White supremacists use terror as a means to achieve political goals. Daily. They use violence and fear. They kill, beat, assault, rape, and rob for their political goals. If you really think that they are all out there peacefully protesting and that they are not doing anything wrong I cannot have any type of intelligent discussion with you. No need to reply, we are done.

Do you have evidence of that occuring in any recent event, or are you making stuff up to try and support your argument, if you have plenty of proof show it
 
Do you have evidence of that occuring in any recent event, or are you making stuff up to try and support your argument, if you have plenty of proof show it

You can't think of any recent assaults by white supremacists in America recently?

March 20, 2017. A 28-year-old white supremacist named James Harris Jackson stabs a 66-year-old black stranger to death in midtown Manhattan.

May 26, 2017. Two men are stabbed to death on a light-rail train in Portland, Oregon by a "known local white supremacist" named Jeremy Joseph Christian.

Aug. 12, 2017. A white supremacist named James Fields Jr. attending the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, allegedly runs over and kills an anti-racism protester.

That was with a 2 second google search. Not even counting countless assaults.



Your ignorance to think that white supremacists don't use violence is baffling.
 
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You can't think of any recent assaults by white supremacists in America recently?

March 20, 2017. A 28-year-old white supremacist named James Harris Jackson stabs a 66-year-old black stranger to death in midtown Manhattan.

May 26, 2017. Two men are stabbed to death on a light-rail train in Portland, Oregon by a "known local white supremacist" named Jeremy Joseph Christian.

Aug. 12, 2017. A white supremacist named James Fields Jr. attending the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, allegedly runs over and kills an anti-racism protester.

That was with a 2 second google search. Not even counting countless assaults.

You named 3, none of which were tied to any white supremecist groups, hence by legal definition not terrorist orgs unless they were organized and approving or sanctioning such.

Antifa actually promotes violence through their websites and their leaders, which makes them terrorist organizations. The train stabber being racially motivated rather than politically falls more under a hate crime, the third one leans to me terrorism but I will not fully call it that yet as their has been no motivation released or other evidence other than the one video, and likely it will be unknown until the trial is over.

The first one never heard of I have to google that.
 
You named 3, none of which were tied to any white supremecist groups, hence by legal definition not terrorist orgs unless they were organized and approving or sanctioning such.

Antifa actually promotes violence through their websites and their leaders, which makes them terrorist organizations. The train stabber being racially motivated rather than politically falls more under a hate crime, the third one leans to me terrorism but I will not fully call it that yet as their has been no motivation released or other evidence other than the one video, and likely it will be unknown until the trial is over.

The first one never heard of I have to google that.

These five charmers have all been identified online since their attack. Their innocent flags must have fallen off their poles...

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Can you show the video leading up to it, as so far it shows a leftwing blogger posting a picture with no real beforehand, this has been tried in every rally, heck the girl nicknamed moldy locks in a berkely riot was shown as a defenseless victim until the video up to it shown here being violent as well as her own words on the internet saying her plans to assault pro trump supporters.

So please show the whole story, if you are correct you have nothing to fear unless this is a fabricated story hiding the evidence.
 
Can you show the video leading up to it, as so far it shows a leftwing blogger posting a picture with no real beforehand, this has been tried in every rally, heck the girl nicknamed moldy locks in a berkely riot was shown as a defenseless victim until the video up to it shown here being violent as well as her own words on the internet saying her plans to assault pro trump supporters.

So please show the whole story, if you are correct you have nothing to fear unless this is a fabricated story hiding the evidence.

I have nothing to fear from you or your puling. The story of Deandre Harris' beating is well documented.

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