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Are far-right/white nationalist groups increasing or just getting more attention?

Are far-right/white nationalist groups increasing or just getting more attention?

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Are far-right/white nationalist groups increasing or just getting more attention?

Every so often I've seen stories about far right/white nationalist groups for decades. But, for the most part it was an oddity here and there, and they were pretty much ignored otherwise. Now we're seeing them in the news more, but is the increased coverage an accurate representation of increased activity?

Hence the question.
 
radcen said:
Are far-right/white nationalist groups increasing or just getting more attention?

Every so often I've seen stories about far right/white nationalist groups for decades. But, for the most part it was an oddity here and there, and they were pretty much ignored otherwise. Now we're seeing them in the news more, but is the increased coverage an accurate representation of increased activity?

Hence the question.
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Both.

What's worrying is that they're gaining in the younger generations with the alt-right.
 
I voted 'can't decide'. In things like crime in general, stats show they're trending down over the last few decades, yet fear is increasing and it's probably because we see it reported more, so the illusion is that it is increasing.

I can see the same possibility here, but maybe they indeed are becoming more emboldened, and hence more active.

Not sure.
 
radcen said:
I voted 'can't decide'. In things like crime in general, stats show they're trending down over the last few decades, yet fear is increasing and it's probably because we see it reported more, so the illusion is that it is increasing.

I can see the same possibility here, but maybe they indeed are becoming more emboldened, and hence more active.

Not sure.
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The number of recorded groups has risen a bit in the last 2 years, but the biggest gain is in dispersed internet-based organizations, which are hard to track.
 
radcen said:
Are far-right/white nationalist groups increasing or just getting more attention?

Every so often I've seen stories about far right/white nationalist groups for decades. But, for the most part it was an oddity here and there, and they were pretty much ignored otherwise. Now we're seeing them in the news more, but is the increased coverage an accurate representation of increased activity?

Hence the question.
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White nationalist & white supremacist are on the rise. They're getting more attention because they are being more visible and there are more of them.

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2017/02/15/hate-groups-increase-
 
radcen said:
Are far-right/white nationalist groups increasing or just getting more attention?

Every so often I've seen stories about far right/white nationalist groups for decades. But, for the most part it was an oddity here and there, and they were pretty much ignored otherwise. Now we're seeing them in the news more, but is the increased coverage an accurate representation of increased activity?

Hence the question.
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Well first they aren't 100% equal and interchangeable, second they the answer is a dual answer per your poll. The answer is they are "Just getting more media attention" and "Other" They are getting more attention like all extremist are and have been for a while, just the way the "media" is currently. Second its other because they are also acting out more because they have been losing and their time is coming to an end. Of course they have not been main stream for a while and they have been the minority for a while but the country is improving so much in regards to social issues and they are finding less and less safe spaces for their incivility.
 
I don't think there are more white nationalists out there than there ever were, I think they are getting more organized, specifically in response to far-left groups like Black Lives Matter and Antifa. When things go absurdly to the left, there is going to be push back.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Both.

What's worrying is that they're gaining in the younger generations with the alt-right.
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Do you think that stems from young (15-21) men struggling to form meaningful relationships with the opposite sex?
 
radcen said:
Are far-right/white nationalist groups increasing or just getting more attention?

Every so often I've seen stories about far right/white nationalist groups for decades. But, for the most part it was an oddity here and there, and they were pretty much ignored otherwise. Now we're seeing them in the news more, but is the increased coverage an accurate representation of increased activity?

Hence the question.
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The alt-right is part of Trump's group. Steve Bannon is from the alt-right. Why do you suppose you will never hear out of Trump's mouth any condemnation of their terrorism?

Foreigners are telling you people that Trump's election will be a dark blot on your history. But it seems you all prefer to put your heads in the sand.
 
Cephus said:
I don't think there are more white nationalists out there than there ever were, I think they are getting more organized, specifically in response to far-left groups like Black Lives Matter and Antifa. When things go absurdly to the left, there is going to be push back.
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I believe that at least in the North west US and Alberta the late 80s and early 90s were the strongest for Aryan Nations. With camps in Idaho and Alberta. Very visible in numbers being they had a uniform most would wear. ie white t shirt, shaved head, doc martins and jeans. During the later 90's I believe they dropped in number and in visibility. I have no idea about the KKK as they are in an area I have little experience. But I expect actual membership in the KKK has dropped as it is rather hard to get young angry men excited about putting on a dress and wearing a hood. Then hide who they are during the day


As for today in the US

I expect a few number of young white men are in such groups. This is not in my opinion due to the rise in opioid addictions. The same group of people who would join Neo Nazi's the Aryan Nations etc are the part of the same group becoming addicted to opioids. Young white men with low economic prospects (note lots of others are becoming addicted). So a prime pool of recruits is not going to join as they are seeking a stronger fix now
 
Cephus said:
I don't think there are more white nationalists out there than there ever were, I think they are getting more organized, specifically in response to far-left groups like Black Lives Matter and Antifa. When things go absurdly to the left, there is going to be push back.
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I disagree on that they are not on the rise, however I do agree on the cause. I think the perceived anti-white rhetoric is driving people to their cause. Similar to demonizing Muslims may impact pushing them closer to the radicals.

Before we had various small groups of white supremacist who believe they were superior but now they seem to be adopting a new strategy of forming under white nationalism to draw in people that wouldnt ordinarily fall into the supremacist category but wish to remain seperate from other races.
 
Winston said:
Do you think that stems from young (15-21) men struggling to form meaningful relationships with the opposite sex?
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I would say economics. Rural economic prospects have dropped with the decline in many manufacturing plants. That used to be a prime job for younger white men in many communities. Now the best job might be cleaning septic systems or working at the local Dairy Queen if they have a job. Idle hands are the devils playground, especially in younger men with high energy and the dream of something better. Remove the dream, watch the anger rise
 
Nap said:
I disagree on that they are not on the rise, however I do agree on the cause. I think the perceived anti-white rhetoric is driving people to their cause. Similar to demonizing Muslims may impact pushing them closer to the radicals.

Before we had various small groups of white supremacist who believe they were superior but now they seem to be adopting a new strategy of forming under white nationalism to draw in people that wouldnt ordinarily fall into the supremacist category but wish to remain seperate from other races.
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A lot of these people are not actually racists, they are just pushing back against the blatant racism of the political left. I have run into a lot of "white separatists" online and very, very few of them have any actual racist views that I can tell, they are just mad, and rightfully so, at the blatant racist attacks on straight white men that the political regressives are pushing.

Of course, that's only my experience, so that it as you wish.
 
Winston said:
Do you think that stems from young (15-21) men struggling to form meaningful relationships with the opposite sex?
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Partly, but I think the reasons for that are deeper. It's also the relative dearth of economic opportunity, the isolating nature of the technological world, not being as advantaged on the social hierarchy as their fathers were, etc. I could probably write a manifesto about this, although I've seen others take a fairly good crack at it.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I expect a few number of young white men are in such groups. This is not in my opinion due to the rise in opioid addictions. The same group of people who would join Neo Nazi's the Aryan Nations etc are the part of the same group becoming addicted to opioids. Young white men with low economic prospects (note lots of others are becoming addicted). So a prime pool of recruits is not going to join as they are seeking a stronger fix now
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I've heard speakers theorize that it's the same problems in Europe with Radical Islam. Young, angry, men with few opportunities, turn to drugs and alcohol and become radicalized. I'm not saying economics is the magic bullet, but, economics may influence these trends.

who has room for hate, when you lead a life worth having?
 
Winston said:
I've heard speakers theorize that it's the same problems in Europe with Radical Islam. Young, angry, men with few opportunities, turn to drugs and alcohol and become radicalized. I'm not saying economics is the magic bullet, but, economics may influence these trends.

who has room for hate, when you lead a life worth having?
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Look at the soccer hooligans in the UK, big during some of the worst economic periods in the UK. Aryan Nations in the late 80s and early 90s periods of high youth unemployment. I am sure going back on periods of high youth violence it corresponds will with periods of poor economic prospects for those youth.

People will still have the room for hate, but it wont grow and the person will have little time to express it
 
radcen said:
Are far-right/white nationalist groups increasing or just getting more attention?

Every so often I've seen stories about far right/white nationalist groups for decades. But, for the most part it was an oddity here and there, and they were pretty much ignored otherwise. Now we're seeing them in the news more, but is the increased coverage an accurate representation of increased activity?

Hence the question.
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IMO it's probably just more media attention.

However, I can't be sure because over the last decade there has been a lot of anti-white propaganda from the SJW side of the house.

Currently, according to the "inter-sectional alliance of American victims" the greatest enemy in the USA is the Heterosexual White Male.

That might go some ways towards aggravating that segment of our population.
 
Cephus said:
A lot of these people are not actually racists, they are just pushing back against the blatant racism of the political left. I have run into a lot of "white separatists" online and very, very few of them have any actual racist views that I can tell, they are just mad, and rightfully so, at the blatant racist attacks on straight white men that the political regressives are pushing.

Of course, that's only my experience, so that it as you wish.
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This was pretty much what I was saying. The White Supremacist groups are forming together under White Nationalism (White seperatists) to draw in those that are getting sick of the anti-white rhetoric. There is a distinction between Supremacists and Nationalists, and while not all Nationalists are Supremacists all Supremacists are Nationalists. I hope that made more sense.
 
I don't believe that there are significantly more white nationalists today than there were a decade or two ago - I do believe that the white nationalists are getting more organized, and that lots of people with slight overlap are being lumped into their group.

The alt-right is both more and less "right" than most would say. While the group's name was coined by white nationalist Richard Spencer, lots of the people lumped into the alt-right simply... well, they just aren't alt-right. One of the biggest names in "YouTube skepticism," Sargon of Akkad, has been called a member of the alt-right numerous times, even though he's a left-leaning centrist who was banned from Twitter at one point for sending gay interracial porn gifs to members of the alt-right (it's a long story that begins and ends with trolling). However, since he was a staunch opponent of Hillary Clinton and a vocal supporter of free speech, Sargon is considered to be a hateful, sexist bigot by many on the left. What's funnier to me is that plenty of the people on the far right are just as insistent on dragging his name through their mud, too.

Long story short, the white nationalists are a much smaller group than they or their far-left opposites (Antifa, various other fringe groups that like mob rule) would like to like to let on, and vice-versa.
 
Nap said:
This was pretty much what I was saying. The White Supremacist groups are forming together under White Nationalism (White seperatists) to draw in those that are getting sick of the anti-white rhetoric. There is a distinction between Supremacists and Nationalists, and while not all Nationalists are Supremacists all Supremacists are Nationalists. I hope that made more sense.
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I don't think that everyone you see in the crowd are either. A lot of them are just pissed off people who are getting sick and tired of the rhetoric on the political left and want somewhere to go.
 
I don't know. Maybe more vocal but I haven't seen anything that makes me think their numbers are growing significantly.

It doesn't help that I frankly don't even know what all "alt-right" is supposed to encompass.
 
Winston said:
Do you think that stems from young (15-21) men struggling to form meaningful relationships with the opposite sex?
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Are you implying that they just need to get laid? Would it were so.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I don't know. Maybe more vocal but I haven't seen anything that makes me think their numbers are growing significantly.

It doesn't help that I frankly don't even know what all "alt-right" is supposed to encompass.
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It almost literally means whatever you want it to. The only defining trait I can find tying everyone on who is supposedly part of the alt-right together is a general consensus that the conservative establishment needs fixing as bad as the left does.

You may have noticed that I didn't include being on the right as a defining trait. For a bit more elaboration on that, see post 19.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I don't know. Maybe more vocal but I haven't seen anything that makes me think their numbers are growing significantly.

It doesn't help that I frankly don't even know what all "alt-right" is supposed to encompass.
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As far as I can tell the consensus is that the "alt-Right" are a combination of White Nationalists, White Supremacists, Internet Trolls, and Trump supporters. To some anyone that has even a slight lean to the Right can be branded as "alt Right". Ben Shapiro is the #1 target of the alt right due to his vocal discontent with Trump but has been labeled alt right by many in the media. Dave Rubin who is a former progressive who can barely be considered right much less far right has been tagged as well.
 
There are definitely more white nationalist groups today. According to a recent CNN/MSNBC poll all white males in the US are Nazi scum but a few progressive ones at least feel guilty about it so they don't count.
 
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