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Are far-right/white nationalist groups increasing or just getting more attention?

Are far-right/white nationalist groups increasing or just getting more attention?

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radcen said:
Are far-right/white nationalist groups increasing or just getting more attention?

Every so often I've seen stories about far right/white nationalist groups for decades. But, for the most part it was an oddity here and there, and they were pretty much ignored otherwise. Now we're seeing them in the news more, but is the increased coverage an accurate representation of increased activity?

Hence the question.
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I don't really know but the ironic thing is, the more the left attacks the right and the more politically correct they are the more these nutjobs come to the front. Correction, BOTH sides are nutjobs. Charlottesville is a great example. The locality had already decided to remove the statues and nothing protesters did was going to change that. There were 30-50 white supremacists who were protesting and they would have marched through the city with nothing to gain and gone home, only making the news and getting zero results, sort of like the million woman anti-abortion march in DC that changed absolutely nothing. If the counter protesters would have just stayed home and watched Love Boat reruns nothing would have happened (including car killings and injuries), the supremacists would have gone home, and the statues would have been removed. The more the left counter punches, the more the hate groups feel the need to expand.
 
Fishking said:
Lol...that's funny. Utterly false, but funny. Violence has been carried out on a fairly decent scale by the left since the primaries. Again, you have one group that had a legal permit to be where they were, then other people, that had no permit, went to their event to commit violence. There is no comparison.
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No, the violence started the night before...by the far right wing Trump voters.

Your attempt to pin the violence and stupidity of the far right on the left is amusing, but ultimately not surprising. It's what partisan hacks do.
 
Puigb said:
No, the violence started the night before...by the far right wing Trump voters.

Your attempt to pin the violence and stupidity of the far right on the left is amusing, but ultimately not surprising. It's what partisan hacks do.
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Sorry, but your boys have been doing violence for coming up on 2 years now.
 
radcen said:
Are far-right/white nationalist groups increasing or just getting more attention?

Every so often I've seen stories about far right/white nationalist groups for decades. But, for the most part it was an oddity here and there, and they were pretty much ignored otherwise. Now we're seeing them in the news more, but is the increased coverage an accurate representation of increased activity?

Hence the question.
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The left wing MSM decided to give them the one thing they hadn't gotten before that kept them minuscule in the past....national...if not really global...media coverage. A lot easier to recruit people when that happens.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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Fishking said:
Sorry, but your boys have been doing violence for coming up on 2 years now.
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And your boys have been doing it since...well forever.

Hell, they started an entire civil war just to keep their slaves. But they lost...like they always do.
 
radcen said:
Are far-right/white nationalist groups increasing or just getting more attention?

Every so often I've seen stories about far right/white nationalist groups for decades. But, for the most part it was an oddity here and there, and they were pretty much ignored otherwise. Now we're seeing them in the news more, but is the increased coverage an accurate representation of increased activity?

Hence the question.
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When you have a sitting President who reacted with a luke warm response--for an ISIS style terrorist attack on a group of American citizens, where one 32 year old woman was killed and dozens injured, you can bet their numbers will grow.

Here is David Duke--former Grand Wizard of the KKK and what he said in Charlottesville.
As the official start of the “Unite the Right” rally kicked off in Charlottesville, Virginia, former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke said the gathering of white supremacists, neo-Nazis and far-right individuals pointed to a future fulfillment of President Donald Trump’s “promises.”
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-kkk-leader-david-duke-180315141.html

Then after Trump's lame response this message went out to Neo Nazi's and White Supremacists.
White supremacists on Tuesday praised President Donald Trump for his return to equivocal rhetoric blaming “both sides” for violence that erupted over the weekend at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.White supremacist leader Richard Spencer praised Trump’s statement, made during an off-the-rails press conference at Trump Tower in Manhattan, as “fair and down to earth.”
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White Supremacists Praise Trump’s Return To Rhetoric Blaming ‘Both Sides’ – Talking Points Memo

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He called and they came running



These statues were erected long after the civil war. In fact, North Carolina has added more than 30 monuments of the Civil war since 2000.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...lottesville-removal-race-civil-war/101870418/
 
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Puigb said:
And your boys have been doing it since...well forever.

Hell, they started an entire civil war just to keep their slaves. But they lost...like they always do.
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The difference is that right wing violence is marginalized, prosecuted, and is not normalized. It's not the same for your boys. Your boys' violence has been normalized, excused, and allowed to rune rampant. It's not even a comparison. How many Hillary and Bernie rallies were attacked by mob violence? None? Oh OK.
 
radcen said:
Are far-right/white nationalist groups increasing or just getting more attention?

Every so often I've seen stories about far right/white nationalist groups for decades. But, for the most part it was an oddity here and there, and they were pretty much ignored otherwise. Now we're seeing them in the news more, but is the increased coverage an accurate representation of increased activity?

Hence the question.
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There should be objective evidence one way or the other.
 
Fishking said:
The difference is that right wing violence is marginalized, prosecuted, and is not normalized. It's not the same for your boys. Your boys' violence has been normalized, excused, and allowed to rune rampant. It's not even a comparison. How many Hillary and Bernie rallies were attacked by mob violence? None? Oh OK.
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How many protesters were beaten at Clinton or Sanders rallys?

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Grand Mal said:
How many protesters were beaten at Clinton or Sanders rallys?

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Rofl...using onesies and twosies to make your point only furthers mine.

Did they have to shut down their rallies due to security and safety concerns?

Trump cancels Chicago rally amid organized protests - Chicago Tribune

Did they have to bring our riot police to protect Hillary and Bernie rallies from violent mobs?





Take your silly false equivalencies down the road to the Daily Kos or Occupy Democrats where they will applaud you for it.
 
Fishking said:
Rofl...using onesies and twosies to make your point only furthers mine.

Did they have to shut down their rallies due to security and safety concerns?

Trump cancels Chicago rally amid organized protests - Chicago Tribune

Did they have to bring our riot police to protect Hillary and Bernie rallies from violent mobs?





Take your silly false equivalencies down the road to the Daily Kos or Occupy Democrats where they will applaud you for it.
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I agree, the equivalency is false. That's why I didn't make it. A large protesting crowd in the street inevitably includes a percentage of troublemakers of every stripe. Those antifa thugs didn't just spring out of the ground yesterday. Video of yahoos fighting in the street and attacking police doesn't mean they're Clinton or Sanders supporters but people inside a Trump rally are indisputably Trumpsters.
 
Grand Mal said:
I agree, the equivalency is false. That's why I didn't make it. A large protesting crowd in the street inevitably includes a percentage of troublemakers of every stripe. Those antifa thugs didn't just spring out of the ground yesterday. Video of yahoos fighting in the street and attacking police doesn't mean they're Clinton or Sanders supporters but people inside a Trump rally are indisputably Trumpsters.
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Not that they are Clinton or Bernie supporters, though I'd bet you any amount of money you desired that the vast majority of them voted for one of those two, but that they are leftists. Further, it's in large numbers in city after city after city. It's radicalism on a significantly larger scale. It's radicalism that is either soft-peddled by the media and leftist politicians or even outright supported.
 
Fishking said:
Not that they are Clinton or Bernie supporters, though I'd bet you any amount of money you desired that the vast majority of them voted for one of those two, but that they are leftists. Further, it's in large numbers in city after city after city. It's radicalism on a significantly larger scale. It's radicalism that is either soft-peddled by the media and leftist politicians or even outright supported.
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I agree that the radical left is raising it's head and being a pain in the butt, but it's also true that the radical right seems to be trying to get mainstream cred, seem to be trying to present themselves as worthy of consideration and discussion. There's already some who see them as like a line of defense against the antifa. They're all an increasing threat to your country, and it's in retrospect the obvious result of the hyper-partisan divide that's been fostered and encouraged. Hell, there's some here who love and encourage that partisan divide. It's ironic that much of this, the poison of the white nationalists, has come to the fore due to statues honouring the men who caused all this damage to the US, damage that 150+ years later is still not healed.
As for the bolded, I bet the majority of those yahoos don't vote.
 
I voted no...but I see more and more leftist fascist/anarchistic incited by the MSM increasing and doing a lot of damage to free speech.
 
Cephus said:
It's why, if you pay attention, you see the left consistently eating their own in the futile pursuit of virtue signalling. Anyone who isn't perfect gets thrown to the sharks and eventually, they all wind up losing. There is no amicable resolution if either side is inherently incapable of compromising at all. But when you've got an oppression stack to chase, when you're pretending everyone is a victim and nobody has any personal responsibility, you get what we have right now. There are no innocent parties here, but I think the left is the most dramatically guilty.
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I read something recently about Bannon's last interview. Some say that he is a white supremacist. I believe he was virtue signaling when he contacted a journalist at The American Prospect. He later claimed that he didn't know he was on record, but I doubt that it matters.

“The Democrats,” he said, “the longer they talk about identity politics, I got ’em. I want them to talk about racism every day. If the left is focused on race and identity, and we go with economic nationalism, we can crush the Democrats.”
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https://web.archive.org/web/20170818172036/http://prospect.org/article/steve-bannon-unrepentant
 
Glowpun said:
The alt-right is part of Trump's group. Steve Bannon is from the alt-right. Why do you suppose you will never hear out of Trump's mouth any condemnation of their terrorism?

Foreigners are telling you people that Trump's election will be a dark blot on your history. But it seems you all prefer to put your heads in the sand.
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No, a significant part of the country are racist **** bags who support Trump. A small number are people who support Trump with their heads in the sand. The rest of us are fully aware but due to our laws we cannot do anything about it.
 
Considering there isn't much data I can find on this subject, I'm inclined to say that the media is just giving these people more attention. Of course, these groups have felt more emboldened--which you can argue coincides with Trump's campaign rhetoric and presidency--but I think once a racist white supremacist scumbag, always a racist white supremacist scumbag. This is less to do with an increase in their numbers and more to do with them being louder and the subsequent mainstream media obsession to cover it/give them a platform.
 
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