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What if the car had been driven into the white nationalists instead?

What if car had been driven into white nationalists instead?

  • Just as bad/wrong

    Votes: 36 90.0%

  • Same crime but not quite as bad

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Wouldn't condone it but would understand it

    Votes: 2 5.0%

  • It would be justified

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Someone who would do that should get a medal instead of being prosecuted

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • Total voters
    40
Middleground said:
Do you have sympathy for someone getting the electric chair?
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Absolutely. That doesnt mean they shouldnt throw the switch, but if they are there they probably are there for deliberately and wantonly ending the life of another human being. So...sympathy...empathy...but also understanding.
 
Murdering people is wrong. Full stop.
 
X Factor said:
What if the car had been driven into the white nationalists instead?

I believe the general understanding of that car running into the crowd of counter protestors is that it was the bad guy (which he no doubt is) ramming his car into the good guys, so taking sides is easy, but what if the driver was one of the counter protesters and he intentionally drove his car into the white nationalist and killed one of them instead? Would you view his actions or the outcome any differently?

Please, this is just a hypo, nobody get triggered. I'm not attempting to make any hidden points and there is no right or wrong answer. It was me asking myself this very same question that made me think this was an interesting thing to ponder and speaking for myself, I think I'd be hard pressed to care too much, though, I'd still expect him to be charged and punished for his crime.

Poll incoming unless I mess it up again.

Options will be (as near as I can recall then when I'm actually putting them in. 1)it would be just as bad/wrong 2)still the same crime but not quite as bad 3)wouldn't condone it but I would understand it 4) would be justified in that case 5) driver who would do that should be awarded a medal instead of being prosecuted and, as always 6) other
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Don't play the victim here. What if it were a Muslim who did this? I'm sure you would be OUTRAGED.
 
I voted just as bad / same.

People fighting with tiki torches, bats, and all sorts of clubs seems rather stone age to me. Automobile as a weapon was deadly.

Where are the guns?
 


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Neco said:
Don't play the victim here. What if it were a Muslim who did this? I'm sure you would be OUTRAGED.
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I would totally, no doubt. How about you?
 
X Factor said:
They were protesting a statue. That's hardly the same as genocide.
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Do people actually believe this?

Where were the signs about the statue? Why did they show up in para-military gear if they were just there to protest a statue.
 
Answer is "Just as bad/wrong" . . a crime is a crime, not sure how it matters who commits it. If it's crime its a crime.
 
Nilly said:
Do people actually believe this?

Where were the signs about the statue? Why did they show up in para-military gear if they were just there to protest a statue.
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If their intent was to start a fight, and I really wouldn't find that surprising, it sure was nice of the counter protestors to give them exactly what they wanted.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
I would argue it's self defense against a bunch of vile, hateful rubes who want to commit genocide against people of color, jews, and LGBT people.
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HAHAHAHA I would tell you that there's no legal or even logical basis for your post but at this point I'm sure there's no one here that as interacted with your posts frequently that takes them seriously. Im sure most don't even believe you are a real poster in anyway.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Answer: The violence still would have been blamed on those with the "wrong" ideas, because it is the killing of the ideas that are not wanted that is the goal and those driving to UTOPIA dont care how it gets done, because the the ends justify the means with these idiots.
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except on this site it would seem going by the poll results
 
Nilly said:
Why did they show up in para-military gear if they were just there to protest a statue.
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Probably because they were expecting to be attacked by violent leftist thugs.
 
Goshin said:
Then most of the people here crying the loudest would be silent, shrugging or saying "well, they kinda deserved it..."



Or saying "well that's awful, but its hard for me to have much sympathy..."



and some would be cheering.
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But didn't we see that from some people here, anyway?
 
X Factor said:
What if the car had been driven into the white nationalists instead?

I believe the general understanding of that car running into the crowd of counter protestors is that it was the bad guy (which he no doubt is) ramming his car into the good guys, so taking sides is easy, but what if the driver was one of the counter protesters and he intentionally drove his car into the white nationalist and killed one of them instead? Would you view his actions or the outcome any differently?

Please, this is just a hypo, nobody get triggered. I'm not attempting to make any hidden points and there is no right or wrong answer. It was me asking myself this very same question that made me think this was an interesting thing to ponder and speaking for myself, I think I'd be hard pressed to care too much, though, I'd still expect him to be charged and punished for his crime.

Poll incoming unless I mess it up again.

Options will be (as near as I can recall then when I'm actually putting them in. 1)it would be just as bad/wrong 2)still the same crime but not quite as bad 3)wouldn't condone it but I would understand it 4) would be justified in that case 5) driver who would do that should be awarded a medal instead of being prosecuted and, as always 6) other
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It wasn't, your question is moot, what if the car was driven by zombie ghosts?

The car was driven by a white nationalist POS racist, that is the fact.
 
I'd be just as wrong as what happened. No one who is protesting, peaceably, regardless of their position, deserves to be killed for following the 1st Amendment.

And consider this... it would then give sympathy to the white supremacists there.
 
beefheart said:
It wasn't, your question is moot, what if the car was driven by zombie ghosts?

The car was driven by a white nationalist POS racist, that is the fact.
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I think he knows that... he was making a hypothetical question. It's a form of "Hypocrisy Check" and a way to discuss the larger philosophical issue.
 
X Factor said:
What if the car had been driven into the white nationalists instead?

I believe the general understanding of that car running into the crowd of counter protestors is that it was the bad guy (which he no doubt is) ramming his car into the good guys, so taking sides is easy, but what if the driver was one of the counter protesters and he intentionally drove his car into the white nationalist and killed one of them instead? Would you view his actions or the outcome any differently?

Please, this is just a hypo, nobody get triggered. I'm not attempting to make any hidden points and there is no right or wrong answer. It was me asking myself this very same question that made me think this was an interesting thing to ponder and speaking for myself, I think I'd be hard pressed to care too much, though, I'd still expect him to be charged and punished for his crime.

Poll incoming unless I mess it up again.

Options will be (as near as I can recall then when I'm actually putting them in. 1)it would be just as bad/wrong 2)still the same crime but not quite as bad 3)wouldn't condone it but I would understand it 4) would be justified in that case 5) driver who would do that should be awarded a medal instead of being prosecuted and, as always 6) other
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It wouldn't be justified but you better believe the MSM would have spun it that way.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I think he knows that... he was making a hypothetical question. It's a form of "Hypocrisy Check" and a way to discuss the larger philosophical issue.
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Exactly. It's something I often do in my own head to test where I'm really coming from and it's actually fundamentally changed my position on a few things.
 
X Factor said:
What if the car had been driven into the white nationalists instead?

I believe the general understanding of that car running into the crowd of counter protestors is that it was the bad guy (which he no doubt is) ramming his car into the good guys, so taking sides is easy, but what if the driver was one of the counter protesters and he intentionally drove his car into the white nationalist and killed one of them instead? Would you view his actions or the outcome any differently?

Please, this is just a hypo, nobody get triggered. I'm not attempting to make any hidden points and there is no right or wrong answer. It was me asking myself this very same question that made me think this was an interesting thing to ponder and speaking for myself, I think I'd be hard pressed to care too much, though, I'd still expect him to be charged and punished for his crime.

Poll incoming unless I mess it up again.

Options will be (as near as I can recall then when I'm actually putting them in. 1)it would be just as bad/wrong 2)still the same crime but not quite as bad 3)wouldn't condone it but I would understand it 4) would be justified in that case 5) driver who would do that should be awarded a medal instead of being prosecuted and, as always 6) other
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Murder is murder in this country--there is no left or right side to this question, and frankly it's an idiotic question in the first place. We have our first amendment rights to say whatever we want--(you may not like it) but it gives you NO right to commit an act of violence over it, including using a car.

I blame Donald Trump for this: Here is what the former grand wizard of the KKK, David Duke stated in Charlottesville.

As the official start of the “Unite the Right” rally kicked off in Charlottesville, Virginia, former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke said the gathering of white supremacists, neo-Nazis and far-right individuals pointed to a future fulfillment of President Donald Trump’s “promises.”
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This is what happens when you have a National Candidate (now President) who campaigned on hate, division and violence. White Nationalist aka the ALT right, Neo Nazi's couldn't get enough of Donald Trump, and he was endorsed by every single white hate group in this country. They were even making robo calls for him.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-to-back-donald-trump/?utm_term=.b9ffbeacc388

And Trump was a magnet to them, and they showed up for him in mass.


This is why Hillary Clinton stated that half of Trump's base of support are deplorables.

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This party is no longer the party of Lincoln or Reagan. It is now the party of Trump, stuffed full of anger, hate, ignorance, bigotry, & misogyny. It couldn't be better explained than from a long time friend and former staffer of Ronald Reagan.


These white supremacist's have been emboldened by Trump's election and crawled out from under their rocks to make certain his agenda will succeed. Obviously, the Republican party is full of them.
http://www.alreporter.com/2017/08/04/remaining-trump-supporters-arent-favors/
 
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Oreo said:
Murder is murder in this country--there is no left or right side to this question, and frankly it's an idiotic question in the first place. We have our first amendment rights to say whatever we want--(you may not like it) but it gives you NO right to commit an act of violence over it, including using a car.

I blame Donald Trump for this: Here is what the former grand wizard of the KKK, David Duke stated in Charlottesville.




This is what happens when you have a National Candidate (now President) who campaigned on hate, division and violence. White Nationalist aka the ALT right, Neo Nazi's couldn't get enough of Donald Trump, and he was endorsed by every single white hate group in this country. They were even making robo calls for him.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-to-back-donald-trump/?utm_term=.b9ffbeacc388

And Trump was a magnet to them, and they showed up for him in mass.


This is why Hillary Clinton stated that half of Trump's base of support are deplorables.

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This party is no longer the party of Lincoln or Reagan. It is now the party of Trump, stuffed full of anger, hate, ignorance, bigotry, & misogyny. It couldn't be better explained that from a long time friend and former staffer of Ronald Reagan.


These white supremacist's have been emboldened by Trump's election and crawled out from under their rocks to make certain his agenda will succeed.
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You seem pretty stuffed with anger and hate (among other things) in your own right and really, what with the cartoons again? If it's such an idiotic idea for a thread, you certainly don't have to be a part of it, though I would miss your upbeat, friendly and pleasant disposition.
 
X Factor said:
What if the car had been driven into the white nationalists instead?

I believe the general understanding of that car running into the crowd of counter protestors is that it was the bad guy (which he no doubt is) ramming his car into the good guys, so taking sides is easy, but what if the driver was one of the counter protesters and he intentionally drove his car into the white nationalist and killed one of them instead? Would you view his actions or the outcome any differently?

Please, this is just a hypo, nobody get triggered. I'm not attempting to make any hidden points and there is no right or wrong answer. It was me asking myself this very same question that made me think this was an interesting thing to ponder and speaking for myself, I think I'd be hard pressed to care too much, though, I'd still expect him to be charged and punished for his crime.

Poll incoming unless I mess it up again.

Options will be (as near as I can recall then when I'm actually putting them in. 1)it would be just as bad/wrong 2)still the same crime but not quite as bad 3)wouldn't condone it but I would understand it 4) would be justified in that case 5) driver who would do that should be awarded a medal instead of being prosecuted and, as always 6) other
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1. Terrorism is terrorism and should be treated as such. Whoever the attacker is should make no difference whether they deserve to receive justice.

2. If the Neo-Nazis were the attacked group, they would turn the attack into propaganda for their side. This is why the Resistance understands that under no circumstances can they be fought back using violence.
 
X Factor said:
What if the car had been driven into the white nationalists instead?

I believe the general understanding of that car running into the crowd of counter protestors is that it was the bad guy (which he no doubt is) ramming his car into the good guys, so taking sides is easy, but what if the driver was one of the counter protesters and he intentionally drove his car into the white nationalist and killed one of them instead? Would you view his actions or the outcome any differently?
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Nope, it's just as bad. Attacking and killing people because they're saying things you disagree with is barbaric, regardless of what's being said. It goes against one of the deepest founding principles of this country.
 
X Factor said:
I believe the general understanding of that car running into the crowd of counter protestors is that it was the bad guy (which he no doubt is) ramming his car into the good guys...
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And right there is where you go wrong. A guy, bad mostly by virtue of his actions here, rammed his car into a bunch of people. That is bad, very bad. Who the people are is irrelevant. If you ram your car into a bunch of felons gathering to pick up trash alongside the road, it is still the same thing.
 
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