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Is North Korea provoking the U.S.?

Is North Korea provoking the U.S.?

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X Factor said:
I see, NK issues threats and it's not escalation,
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yes it is not, because they regularly issue such threats.. Its been going on for decades. Guess you dont get much news down there in Texas.

but the US responding to them is?
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Yes because as I have stated.. it is new and highly threatening. No one in the last 50+ years have threatened to attack North Korea, so yes it is an escalation.

Do you not get how you're sounding? Everything single thing you bash Trump for has also been done by NK.
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Yes, it sounds like I know far more of the situation than you do. That NK are crazy does not mean that Trump and the US has to go down to their level does it?
 
PeteEU said:
yes it is not, because they regularly issue such threats.. Its been going on for decades. Guess you dont get much news down there in Texas.



Yes because as I have stated.. it is new and highly threatening. No one in the last 50+ years have threatened to attack North Korea, so yes it is an escalation.



Yes, it sounds like I know far more of the situation than you do. That NK are crazy does not mean that Trump and the US has to go down to their level does it?
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Not what it sounds like, at all. It really just sounds like your usual "US is always wrong/bad/to blame no matter what" schtick.
 
I'm heartened by the votes and most of the responses. I feared I was alone in my perceptions.
 
X Factor said:
I'm heartened by the votes and most of the responses. I feared I was alone in my perceptions.
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I definitely agree that the US is being provoked and I think it is fine if the US president would say there will be severe consequences and repercussions should the NK regime perpetrate an act of aggression against the US or their allies. But Trump takes it a bit too far. He should let the issue be handled mostly by his Secretary of State or the one from Defense, not make a bad situation worse by being as "Kim-Jung-Unish" as the idiot who runs North Korea.

A president should not get into a "threat off" with a raving lunatic like Kim Jung-idiot.
 
X Factor said:
Maybe the unpredictability of Trump is a positive. Kim could be pretty sure of Obama's reaction (none or maybe even a sweet Iran type deal). Can't be sure about Trump.

Oh, added the link.
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I would not call it unpredictability- I would call it more off the cuff remarks on things he really does not understand.
When Obama made chemical waepons a red line, and when they were used, it resulted in Russia and other rempving, from what we know most chm weapons.
But he was slammed for not attacking Syria and undermining US cred.

Same with NK and trump.
He has made threats, but what happens during another test?
China put 2 nations on notice - NK as most peole seem to see, but also the US if they do a 1st strike
We know NK pokes the bear
We know that China was key to the latest sanctions
We know that Trump sounds off on things he knows little about.
So does this rattle China, not sure
Does it rattle NK, doubt it
 
You can't provoke a rational actor into doing something stupid using only inflammatory rhetoric. That is what makes them "rational". So in the past I would say NK wasn't provoking us because we have always been lead by rational actors. Presidents like Obama, Bush, Clinton and those before knew it was all just hot air and treated NK like the petulant child that it is.

But now? Yeah, they may be provoking us. Not because NK is acting any worse than it usually does, but because, it seems, we are no longer lead by a rational actor. And one can definitely provoke an irrational actor into doing something stupid through mere rhetoric.
 
Praxas said:
What's the matter was Afghanistan and Iraq not enough that you need more wars?
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No I really don't, but wringing our hands and pleading with NK to please not hurt us, along with bolstering their confidence that we won't do **** doesn't seem to be working.
 
X Factor said:
I'm seeing a fairly large amount of blame heaped on Trump for provoking or antagonizing North Korea, but isn't it possible that we're the ones being provoked? Kim Jong Un is bragging about being able to reach the U.S. with nukes. That's a clear threat to me. I think we've been so accustomed under Obama (and Bush too) to the U.S. trying to placate and not offend our enemies because we fear how dangerous they can be that it's been forgotten that we can be pretty damn dangerous when provoked too.

North Korea missile test puts major US cities in range, experts say - CNN

Frankly, I agree with Trump's quotes in this link (and it's CNN, so it's not like it a Trump apologist site).
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Historically, North Korea has used threats to gain concessions from the US and its allies. Now that it's close to delivering an atomic weapon capable of reaching the United States, they have no little need for negotiation. Their regime security is all but assured as long as the status quo persists. That's been the case for some time now, so I can see why people think that Trump is the one provoking North Korea.
 
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X Factor said:
I'm seeing a fairly large amount of blame heaped on Trump for provoking or antagonizing North Korea, but isn't it possible that we're the ones being provoked? Kim Jong Un is bragging about being able to reach the U.S. with nukes. That's a clear threat to me. I think we've been so accustomed under Obama (and Bush too) to the U.S. trying to placate and not offend our enemies because we fear how dangerous they can be that it's been forgotten that we can be pretty damn dangerous when provoked too.

North Korea missile test puts major US cities in range, experts say - CNN

Frankly, I agree with Trump's quotes in this link (and it's CNN, so it's not like it a Trump apologist site).
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He is, but the difference this time I hope, is we start putting sanctions on China. The majority of democrats are against putting China in the mix with NoKo, but anyone with a computer and a mouse can conclude that China has been helping their nuclear program and is using NoKo to further their aims in the South China Sea. When we put the squeeze on China, then they will start listening.
 
Peter King said:
Of course they are, they are the tiny little git of a country poking someone else, poke, poke, poke, poke, etc. etc. to see how annoyed they can get them because if they dare to poke the biggest "bully/guy" in the room they can boast how tough they are to the kids in the rest of the room/to their parents.

They are playing poke the bear to make themselves look important and a "player".
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Eventually it becomes obvious why poking a bear is a bad idea.
 
Roycarn said:
Historically, North Korea has used threats to gain concessions from the US and its allies. Now that it's close to delivering an atomic weapon capable of reaching the United States, they have no little need for negotiation. Their regime security is all but assured as long as the status quo persists. That's been the case for some time now, so I can see why people think that Trump is the one provoking North Korea.
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And why have we ever allowed that to be effective?
 
X Factor said:
It's so funny how many of you are perfectly ok with threats and provocation to the US. I guess I'm just less amused by them.
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We are not ''perfectly OK" , but, we tolerate .. thus far .. saving many lives .. But now that the misbehaving fat little 6 year old in the schoolyard needs a ''spanking" .. Where are his parents ?
His parents are the USA and Russia(USSR) ..
NK is provoking, trump is reacting in kind ..
 
Provoking? Yes.

Is Trump eager to escalate this in order to distract from his problems at home (not unlike his recent warmongering comments concerning Venezuela), besides being easily agitated to begin with? Yes.
 
PeteEU said:
Look, as I stated, NK has been doing this **** for decades and the rest of the world has mostly ignored it, or put sanctions in place to prevent the NK in getting tech.

Then Trump comes and suddenly escalates the situation by threatening war against the North... and you support this fool? Why do you want war?
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Maybe you can explain what has escalated, under Trump? Are we at war, has NK fired off missiles at the US or at any our allies or our territories?

What has escalated, NK has put its nuclear and missile program in fast forward under Obama. Under Do Noting Obama allowed NK to build its nuke program to it's final stages. Obama doing absolutely nothing to stop it, that's what's escalated.
 
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