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Do you support the death penalty?

Do you support the death penalty?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 34.7%

  • No

    Votes: 47 65.3%
  • Total voters
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Roycarn

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Do you support the death penalty for someone convicted of murder? I know this is an old topic of debate, but there hasn't been any new information out on it for quite a while. I also wanted to see what the debatepolitics community thinks of the subject.
 
Roycarn said:
Do you support the death penalty for someone convicted of murder? I know this is an old topic of debate, but there hasn't been any new information out on it for quite a while. I also wanted to see what the debatepolitics community thinks of the subject.
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I do not, mostly for religious reasons.
 
Roycarn said:
Do you support the death penalty for someone convicted of murder? I know this is an old topic of debate, but there hasn't been any new information out on it for quite a while. I also wanted to see what the debatepolitics community thinks of the subject.
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I used to until I paid attention and began seeing people released who were wrongly convicted. No more

If they are guilty, which most by far ARE, then they can take their final journey the way the rest of us do. Lethal injection is something I would want for MYSELF. It is far too easy for the often senseless and heinous crimes these people have committed.

And... it gives every opportunity to find that they were wrongly convicted.
 
Capital punishment justifies the rationalization of murder. "If the state can kill a prisoner for its reasons, I can for mine."
 
In theory yes, as currently practiced no.
 
Hell yes. We don't use it nearly often enough.
 
ecofarm said:
Capital punishment justifies the rationalization of murder. "If the state can kill a prisoner for its reasons, I can for mine."
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Which is about as stupid as saying "if the state can imprison people for committing crimes, I'm perfectly justified for kidnapping."
 
Roycarn said:
Do you support the death penalty for someone convicted of murder? I know this is an old topic of debate, but there hasn't been any new information out on it for quite a while. I also wanted to see what the debatepolitics community thinks of the subject.
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Yes but the standard to apply it is guilt to a virtual certainty. Video evidence, confession, witnesses and dna evidence then I would consider it. But as it stands now.....definitely not
 
As someone else said before me in this thread I used to support the death penalty but I feel certain there have been innocent men executed for crimes they didn't commit. I believe there are men in prison today who are innocent of any crime at all.

The death penalty should be done away with in America. It suits no purpose as far as I can tell. I know this won't sound good to the families of victims who have been murdered but they should take solace in a prison sentence of life without parole in a maximum security prison with minimal creature comforts.
 
No.

Are there people who deserve to die? Yes. But it isn't a power that I trust to the government.
 
Cephus said:
Hell yes. We don't use it nearly often enough.
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You'd give the State the power of life and death over citizens?
Your trust in the Daddy state and it's stern-but-fair demands and rewards for obedience is touchingly childlike.
Me, I'm liberal. I don't trust the government to get anything right. I sure as hell wouldn't trust them with life-and-death decisions.

Oh wait. I bet you're Christian. I bet it's the Bible telling you this is the right thing to do.
 
Roycarn said:
Why should we use it more often in your opinion?
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Because we have far too many people sitting in prison who have, in my opinion at least, given up their right to breathe the same air as decent people.
 
Grand Mal said:
You'd give the State the power of life and death over citizens?
Your trust in the Daddy state and it's stern-but-fair demands and rewards for obedience is touchingly childlike.
Me, I'm liberal. I don't trust the government to get anything right. I sure as hell wouldn't trust them with life-and-death decisions.

Oh wait. I bet you're Christian. I bet it's the Bible telling you this is the right thing to do.
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No, people, who control the state, get to decide who can and cannot live within their society. And Christian? Laughably false.
 
Absolutely not, under any circumstances. It's barbaric. Incidentally, I've always been mystified by the arguments put forth by proponents of capital punishment; 'Murder is an atrocious crime that cannot be tolerated, therefore, we must murder anyone who commits it.' Square that circle.
 
NGNM85 said:
Absolutely not, under any circumstances. It's barbaric. Incidentally, I've always been mystified by the arguments put forth by proponents of capital punishment; 'Murder is an atrocious crime that cannot be tolerated, therefore, we must murder anyone who commits it.' Square that circle.
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It is literally impossible for the legal establishment to murder anyone. I'm sure you have no idea why that is.
 
Cephus said:
No, people, who control the state, get to decide who can and cannot live within their society. And Christian? Laughably false.
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Alright, no Christian, but those people who control the State are a buncha bozos. And that's the ones put out front-and-center for us to see. They execute because it makes you vote for them. There's no other reason for it. If executing murderers prevented murder, states with the death penalty would have fewer murders, right? They don't. It's all just a bone tossed to the voters to make them think they're being tough on crime.
Ever wonder why countries that don't have capital punishment have lower murder rates than countries that do? Even states in the US, states that don't execute have lower murder rates.
Actually, looking around the world, capital punishment is a Muslim thing.
 
I support the death penalty in very limited circumstance.

One exception, of course, will be for the Alt Right conspirators that will be convicted of working with the Russians to pervert our elections.
 
Cephus said:
It is literally impossible for the legal establishment to murder anyone. I'm sure you have no idea why that is.
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(Obviously) I wasn't using the word 'murder' as defined in American law. I would characterize, essentially, any premeditated homicide as murder. The fact that the government simply calls it something else isn't a moral argument. That's just playing games with words. You are talking about deliberately, and forcibly depriving someone of their very life purely for the sake of making them dead, it cannot be justified as an act of war, or self-defense. I think the shoe fits pretty nicely. I mean, it's pretty clear that this is just going to be an irreconcilable philosophical (specifically, ethical) difference, but I find that to be both (by my lights) uncivilized, and indecent. Incidentally, that doesn't mean, however, that I have to treat you an an uncivil, or indecent manner.
 
Cephus said:
Because we have far too many people sitting in prison who have, in my opinion at least, given up their right to breathe the same air as decent people.
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If people were executed based on your opinion, rather than the rule of law, what a different nation we would live in.
 
Roycarn said:
Do you support the death penalty for someone convicted of murder? I know this is an old topic of debate, but there hasn't been any new information out on it for quite a while. I also wanted to see what the debatepolitics community thinks of the subject.
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Absolutely. Although, I was against it less than ten years ago. Now, I am in favor of it, mostly because I have seen it used as a tool to get bad guys to confess and tell cops where the bodies are buried.

I never thought it would work. But, apparently sociopaths prefer not to die, and they are quick to cut a deal when the DP is taken off the table.
 
No. There are no arguments (that I've seen) that aren't based in emotion and revenge fantasies.
 
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