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Justification For US Military Attack On North Korea

Justification For US Military Assault on NK:

  • Already justified - hit them now - hit them hard

    Votes: 2 13.3%

  • Any kind of strike on SK, Japan, or Guam

    Votes: 9 60.0%

  • ICBM strike on any US Ally

    Votes: 6 40.0%

  • UN approval, including Approval from China

    Votes: 3 20.0%

  • Approval from China in any form

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Only in the form of a coalition strike, including China

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Would take a direct strike on US - Hawaii, Alaska, or Continental US

    Votes: 3 20.0%

  • Nuke them Now - NOW

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • other - please explain

    Votes: 3 20.0%
  • Total voters
    15
akyron said:
It all came to a head in the last 20 years. The most advancments and payments advancing research and development occurred in the last 20 years as well.

What purpose could you possibly have ignoring a well documented history?
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Rewriting history is a fruitless process accentuated by Rumsfeld. Dictators don't have to worry about blaming their predecessors or transitional administrative overlap.

Don't you find it unusual that I don't blame IKE and GHWB for NK's nukes but that you blame Clinton and Obama for damn near everything ?
 
Dragonfly said:
IYHO, what would reasonably justify a US military attack on North Korea?

Not just a warning shot, but an actual planned and orchestrated strike using deadly force.

Words alone?

Outright attempt at strike on US mainland?

Strike against South Korea?

Attempt to hit Guam?

Are we justified as of today (August 9th, 2017)?
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He is in violation of the UN regarding nuclear weapons and missile technology and even Russia and China joined in a unanimous vote on the subject. Continued violations is justification enough.
 
Moderate Right said:
He is in violation of the UN regarding nuclear weapons and missile technology and even Russia and China joined in a unanimous vote on the subject. Continued violations is justification enough.
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How many decades has NK been violating UN regulations?

Now if Russia and/or China wish to strike NK with their military, that's a whole different scenario. One that's much more welcome.
 
NIMBY said:
Why do GOPosters keep forgetting that this nuke program started in 1989 with their blame game? Or that their nuclear program started in 1956?

Too bad GOPosters don't understand administration overlap, just as trump has no clue on foreign affairs !
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We've had several administrations drop the ball on NK.

Back when Clinton was president, we had a clear shot at taking out Osama Bin Laden and instead Clinton shot off warning missiles into Afghanistan. Fast forward to 9/11. We missed our opportunity when we should have taken it then and several administrations have brought us to where we are at now with NK.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
NK despite what people say will not just launch a nuclear weapon without a plan/reason for it. Just because it can is not one of the reasons it will.

So if NK was going to use one as a first strike, you would see a mobilization over and above what is normal for NK of its ground and missile forces. So for there to a real concern expect to see at the majority of NK missile launchers prepped and ready to go, its army massing at the SK boarder at an even higher ready state than already exists and so on.

It would have to part of plan that could result in the NK leadership not being wiped out from the counter attack

Take out Guam, US bases in Japan, and invade SK as quickly as possible. Then hope that China, Russia, and the rest of the world can somehow put enough pressure on the US not to nuke NK back. While hoping for more military supplies from China or Russia. None of which is likely so a NK first strike is extremely unlikely. Being nuclear gets NK to play at the big boys table however, and enjoy a higher level of freedom with lower fears of direct attacks on NK territory. In other words having the nukes but not using them helps make the Kim regime more stable and have a higher chance of remaining in power for much longer. Within 24 hrs of using one, the Kim regime will be removed from the face of the earth
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Again, you guys are extremely naive into not taking into account NK selling nuclear weapons and radioactive material to terrorists and then claiming that he had nothing to do with terrorists attacking the US.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
But NK has no practical reason to attack Guam, or Japan, nor does it have outside of missiles a practical means to attack Japan or Guam. The only attack that makes sense for NK is to attack SK. But outside of the initial barrage of missiles and artillery strikes, NK would be hard pressed to do anything. South Korea has far more advanced weaponry, highly trained soldiers. Combined with US conventional forces in the area, any NK attack will be turned back fairly soon and a delicate means of ending the Kim regime would be sought. (as heavy airstrikes etc might cause it to launch nukes as a last ditch attempt or just a FU from the grave
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Funny though how the left in this country are claiming that Trump may take us into war to cover up all of his troubles and yet they don't think that NK will start something to cover up their economic troubles.
 
Dragonfly said:
So you think a direct military assault should happen today?

Should we nuke them, or just use precision bombing?
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I'm willing to give them this one last chance. One more missile or nuclear test though and we pulverize every military place in the country in addition to every place that Kimmy boy could possibly be with non-nuclear weapons and we blockade them on every inch of their territory that doesn't border Russia or China.
 
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Moderate Right said:
Funny though how the left in this country are claiming that Trump may take us into war to cover up all of his troubles and yet they don't think that NK will start something to cover up their economic troubles.
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NK does not have the same election/public opinion concerns that the US typically has. From some accounts small scale military attacks done by past presidents took place in part to boost poll numbers
 
Moderate Right said:
Again, you guys are extremely naive into not taking into account NK selling nuclear weapons and radioactive material to terrorists and then claiming that he had nothing to do with terrorists attacking the US.
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So the world should nuke NK, see NK nuke what it can and have the resultant deaths of potentially hundreds of thousands of at least North and South Koreans and potentially Japanese, on a potential that may occur sometime in the future, but with out any sort of evidence that it is a current plan of action.
 
Doesn't have to be nukes. If a carrier force in the Yellow Sea gets attacked, you got NATO on your side.
Besides, the Korean War is already a UN action, isn't it?
 
Dragonfly said:
How many decades has NK been violating UN regulations?

Now if Russia and/or China wish to strike NK with their military, that's a whole different scenario. One that's much more welcome.
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That's just it. We either need to put up or shut up and disband the United Nations if it serves no useful purpose. They just voted unanimously against NK, including both Russia and China. If the UN is going to let NK thumb their nose at it then what's the point of having the UN at all?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
So the world should nuke NK, see NK nuke what it can and have the resultant deaths of potentially hundreds of thousands of at least North and South Koreans and potentially Japanese, on a potential that may occur sometime in the future, but with out any sort of evidence that it is a current plan of action.
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And where did I ever say that we (or the world) should nuke North Korea?
 
MaggieD said:
I could see saying an outright military attack on any of our friends in the region or us, but just us? Nuclear anywhere in the world by NK is an attack on all of us. And the world simply cannot wait until the horse is out of the barn.
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So if one N. Korean soldier shoots someone on the other side of the demilitarized zone it would justify an invasion with the possibility of a million S. Korean deaths? There are many nations with "horses in the barn" should we attack them all?
 
iguanaman said:
So if one N. Korean soldier shoots someone on the other side of the demilitarized zone it would justify an invasion with the possibility of a million S. Korean deaths? There are many nations with "horses in the barn" should we attack them all?
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Yeah, that's the ticket. He is a psychopath. You are a hyperbolic personality.

And, while Im thinking of it, this situation has developed over 15 or 20 years with each POTUS kicking the can. We should be furious with our gvmt for allowing this to happen at all. NOW it's a crisis.
 
Moderate Right said:
And where did I ever say that we (or the world) should nuke North Korea?
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To prevent NK from responding from a US military strike. It would have to a surprise and large enough to take out the artillery the missile sites and all the potential bunker sites. That would require a build up of forces. The minute Chinese or Russian intel see the US attack I am sure they would inform NK. Leading NK to use its nukes in whatever way it can as a last ditch FU to the US, SK and Japan.

The only realistic way to limit deaths to NK is to use a nuclear surprise attack, or expect to see mass deaths among SK and probably Japanese
 
MaggieD said:
Yeah, that's the ticket. He is a psychopath. You are a hyperbolic personality.

And, while Im thinking of it, this situation has developed over 15 or 20 years with each POTUS kicking the can. We should be furious with our gvmt for allowing this to happen at all. NOW it's a crisis.
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That's the problem Maggie, being furious without a clue of what could have been done to fix it. That is the 'crisis" not the empty rhetoric of a foolish child. And I don't mean Kim either.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
To prevent NK from responding from a US military strike. It would have to a surprise and large enough to take out the artillery the missile sites and all the potential bunker sites. That would require a build up of forces. The minute Chinese or Russian intel see the US attack I am sure they would inform NK. Leading NK to use its nukes in whatever way it can as a last ditch FU to the US, SK and Japan.

The only realistic way to limit deaths to NK is to use a nuclear surprise attack, or expect to see mass deaths among SK and probably Japanese
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Or we could just let N. Korea be and eliminate all the deaths. They are the least likely to start a war with us of all our enemies.
 
iguanaman said:
Or we could just let N. Korea be and eliminate all the deaths. They are the least likely to start a war with us of all our enemies.
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That would be my suggestion, unless they actually attack, to which the response would be a counter attack planned to cause say 5 times as much damage with the expressed goal of not replacing the regime (as to give the regime a way out without using nukes)
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
To prevent NK from responding from a US military strike. It would have to a surprise and large enough to take out the artillery the missile sites and all the potential bunker sites. That would require a build up of forces. The minute Chinese or Russian intel see the US attack I am sure they would inform NK. Leading NK to use its nukes in whatever way it can as a last ditch FU to the US, SK and Japan.

The only realistic way to limit deaths to NK is to use a nuclear surprise attack, or expect to see mass deaths among SK and probably Japanese
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I say, if he tests another nuke or launches another missile, we (the UN) build up massive forces on his border. If he reacts (even if just more testing), then we do exactly as you say, minus the nukes. If the UN is too chicken to do this then we disband it as being a totally worthless entity that accomplishes nothing.
 
iguanaman said:
That's the problem Maggie, being furious without a clue of what could have been done to fix it. That is the 'crisis" not the empty rhetoric of a foolish child. And I don't mean Kim either.
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This could have been "fixed" twenty years ago. It IS interesting, however, that fat boy released a Canadian prisoner who'd been held for two years today...
 
Dragonfly said:
North Korea 'seriously examining' a strike directed near Guam - CNNPolitics




Near.

Near????

WTF?
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I believe this would be one of the CIA planted stories, used to work up the general public. Like the Iraqi throwing Kuwaiti babies out of incubators was a false story used to work up the public

If not that, just one of many different plans they have drawn up as potential actions. As militaries like to do. I am sure the US has dozens of plans to attack NK. Some I am sure involve the use of nukes
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
I believe this would be one of the CIA planted stories, used to work up the general public. Like the Iraqi throwing Kuwaiti babies out of incubators was a false story used to work up the public
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Seriously?
 
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