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Are we headed to war with North Korea?

Are we headed to war with North Korea?

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Moderate Right said:
How are they being contained? It ain't happenin.
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Does North Korea have satellite states? They are far more contained than Mao's China was or the USSR was, and far less of a threat. NK knows they would be annihilated if they nuked a U.S. city, territory, or one of our allies, so why would they? Getting nukes is simply an insurance policy against an invasion for them.
 
Moderate Right said:
You make the mistake of thinking that past stock market performance guarantees future results.
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You are making the mistake in thinking that world leaders, including our enemies will not act out of their own perceived self interests.
 
chuckiechan said:
You missed the obvious one that mist likely will be implimented: put the squeeze on imports from China. Not just steel and alimunum, but consumer goods as well.
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A trade war with China would be far more damaging to the United States than to China. China has markets all over the world they sell to, not just us.
 
Cephus said:
Tell the South Koreans to get their people the hell out of the way before we go in and clean house. Effectively, the North Koreans are using South Korea as human shields. It's terrorism and you can't give in to terrorism.
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There are 25 million people in greater Seoul. It is half the country's population. There is no place to move them out of the way to.
 
Moderate Right said:
You sound like a young guy. I am not. In case you have been missing the news, North Korea has been building up their nuclear capabilities and missile technology for two decades. Did you already forget that the entire UN, including Russia and China, are very worried about what is going on there? It's not just the US. The entire world is alarmed. It is not just a figment of our imagination.
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I am 41. I am not saying that there is no reason to be alarmed. I am just saying that there is no military option here. Most likely we will just have to get used to a nuclear North Korea.
 
Moderate Right said:
And Little Kim has kidnapped our citizens, putting them in prison, using them as political hostages, and even killed the last one.
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So a handful of U.S. citizens that were dumb enough to travel to North Korea are worth the lives of 25 million people in greater Seoul? North Korea is not Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany had an ideology of world domination and the military and economic strength to actually do it. North Korea has no such ambitions and has the economic strength of an African failed state. They know they cannot win a war against us. They want nukes because its an insurance policy against any attempts of regime change.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
A trade war with China would be far more damaging to the United States than to China. China has markets all over the world they sell to, not just us.
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Our national debt would disappear overnight. The lack of payments and exports would cripple China. It would fracture and cease to exist as a unified nation.

Debt is a geopolitical tool.
 
ecofarm said:
Our national debt would disappear overnight. The lack of payments and exports would cripple China. It would fracture and cease to exist as a unified nation.

Debt is a geopolitical tool.
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We cannot default on treasury securities that China holds. That would destroy the world's economy.
 
Rogue Valley said:
I'm hoping that the Generals in Trumps inner circle exercise the gravitas and leadership qualities that I believe they possess.
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They can only lead our military, not NK's. We have virtually zero control over what NK does. History has proven it over and over. I think a war is inevitable; except for one country that could change it, China. But I don't think they will.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
A trade war with China would be far more damaging to the United States than to China. China has markets all over the world they sell to, not just us.
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It will be very damaging to the ruling communist party when people start losing their jobs. China can't absorb a 20% hit that easily, plus Japan is another 10%
 
molten_dragon said:
Very doubtful. North Korea continues to exist only because China protects them. If they're dumb enough to nuke someone, that protection will end, and shortly afterward so will North Korea. Kim Jong Un might be too dumb to realize that, but I suspect the generals that pull his strings aren't.
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I'll buy that portion in bold. North Korea is very much propped up by Chinese imports (w/Russia being it's #3 importer). But the transfer of consumable goods aside, North Korea doesn't have the military resources nor the military firepower to sustain let alone win a modern war.

They may show large troop numbers, but based on the data from the OP, it's not sustainable. They don't have a large enough Navy to contend with the U.S. Navy; same goes for their Air fleet which is pretty much non-existent. Of course, none of that is what's really driving the fear and angst of American citizens right now.

If you're foolish enough to listen to the fiery rhetoric coming from the Right-Wing talking heads, they'd have their listeners believe war between the U.S. and NKor is imminent, that their few ICBMs are capable of reaching the U.S. or any of it's territories with the 1, 2 or 10 miniaturized nuclear warheads they reportedly do have (assuming they even have a single ONE).

Ideologically, NKor provides the GOP with the perfect rallying cry for a politically weak Commander-in-Chief. All he has to do is continue being bellicose and the low IQ folks who are just itching for a fight will fall in line behind him. Yet, behind the scenes Pres. Trump will do is like every other POTUS has done before him - try to "negotiate" his way out of war using whatever bilateral or multilateral influence he can muster. Those talking heads like Mark Levin who claim NKor's present hawkish position is the result of past-Presidents "talking", well...I wonder...was he talking this same talk when Reagan "negotiated" a nuclear arms reduction treaty with Russia? How about his nuclear non-proliferation agreement with this same nation - a nation that currently has over X1000 more nuclear warheads than NKor?

When you bang the drum beat of war in the direction of people who are easily frightened, it's easy to find willing soldiers to fight your battles for you even when there is no justification for it. It's why I was for the War on Terror in Afghanistan, but totally against the War in Iraq because there was no real justification for it only provocation and conjecture. But I digress...

Unless America's weak-ass Commander-in-Chief puts the country at DEFCON 3, readies a U.S. Bomber fleet above NKor, keeps 2 naval contingents off both coast of NKor's shores and pushes SKor and American military forces at the DMZ, it's all chest thumping. That said, if Kim Jong-Un or his military leaders are stupid enough to fire a shot drawing first blood, then it's on!
 
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