Would you back a bill which eliminated the federal war on drugs?

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Said act would essentially repeal the schedule 1 list and recognize the medical use of marijuana and heroin on a federal level. It would also leave recreational use up to the states.

Absolutely. Leave it to the states.

Masterhawk said:

Here more info on what this bill would be:

Said act would essentially repeal the schedule 1 list and recognize the medical use of marijuana and heroin on a federal level. It would also leave recreational use up to the states.

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Yes, definitely. I'm for anything that gets the ball rolling on getting rid of this outdated, expensive, and down-right useless war.

Masterhawk said:

Here more info on what this bill would be:

Said act would essentially repeal the schedule 1 list and recognize the medical use of marijuana and heroin on a federal level. It would also leave recreational use up to the states.

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There is certainly a good argument to be made in favor of the federal government recognizing the medical use of marijuana, but it is absurd to recognize heroin as a medicinal drug. The narcotic addiction epidemic is bad enough without every other street corner having a medical heroin dispensary.

I am all for ending the federal drug war, but heroin is far too dangerous and addictive of a drug for it to be recognized for medicinal use.

Masterhawk said:

Here more info on what this bill would be:

Said act would essentially repeal the schedule 1 list and recognize the medical use of marijuana and heroin on a federal level. It would also leave recreational use up to the states.

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There are literally about a million things I want our congress to work on before this. I am not really totally opposed to it, but not right now. 20 years from now, when important things are fixed, then it might be time to waste time on something like this.

If the choice is between that and status quo, of course.


There might be better middle solutions but there is no reason to continue in abject harmful failure.

While I agree with people that there are more important things to do that this Congress can't seem to do, like a Debt Ceiling Bill, Infrastructure, Energy Grid, Tax Reform, Health Care, a Balanced Budget; we simply can't afford to lose another generation of kids to drugs, especially the synthesized ones.

Make something illegal, Americans want it; we had Prohibition for a very real reason that still exists; kids drink underage because their environment does, it's illegal and intoxicating; they smoke cigarettes underage for the same reasons as alcohol;

If all people did illegal was weed, we'd be okay; kids learn real fast that white powders enable them to drink all night and get completely wasted; teenage wasteland;

How many Veterans are truly counseled as to how to take their meds on alcohol and illegal drugs. The fact is that the first half-life of AM meds is over before they drink so they're okay. It's when people take their PM meds close to their last drink, toke, whatever; they're in trouble;

Alcohol is the universal solvent and attaches to brain receptors like no other drug, kicking the other needed drugs off of the brain receptors into the brain cells and destroying them .

In order to wage a successful war on drugs, the government would have to do with drug dealers the same thing they did to the KKK in the 1980s.

You have to take out the top brass via life sentences and the death penalty. So, the top men down to their dealers and distributors would never get out of prison - and many would face the death penalty.

People would have to be programmed to think, at every level, drugs are bad.

We aren't going to do it. So, the people who pay the most are those who get hooked on drugs while those who make them available have the resources to spend the least amount of time in prison and are not affected (career wise) by their criminal record.

Legalize them, tax them, move forward.

Anyone who votes no has not the slightest clue what the 'war on drugs' is truly like or what drug addiction truly means to addicts or to society.

The fact that drug cartels and organized crime syndicates are gigantically against drug legalization should be reason enough to legalize drugs.

But if you want more reasons....

ending the war on drugs would severely hurt organized crime, lower the price of drugs by at least 70%, drastically lower the number of prostitutes, allow addicts to use without resorting to illegal activities, drastically lower the numbers of people in jail, lower crime rates, save taxpayers billions on policing/catching/encarcerating drug criminals and allow addicts to openly discuss their addictions (like alcoholics can) and get help easier.

And the above are not 'possible' outcomes. They are almost 100% for certain outcomes.

Only an extreme ignoramus on this subject wants to continue with the moronic 'War on Drugs'.

Prohibition on booze was stupid. And so is prohibition on recreational drugs.

Ending the war on illegal sports gambling would put the black market mobsters out of business, just as with illegal drugs. The economic benefit to the Nation, especially including Nevada, would spur billions in tax revenues as well as job growth.

The increase in revenue to related businesses such as motels, restaurants and the rest of the spin offs that only Nevada currently sees would create millions of jobs.

And Nevada would get a take on all the sports machines and kiosks they currently have the patents on. As well, tourist interest in going to Nevada would actually increase. Vegas will boom again in a few years with the Raiders coming to town .

It does make me think of the Opium Wars where the British got China hooked on Opium so they could get their silver reserves back they spent buying tea from China, but China was buying nothing from England.

If you can hook Asians that easy, why not Americans?

chuckiechan said:

It does make me think of the Opium Wars where the British got China hooked on Opium so they could get their silver reserves back they spent buying tea from China, but China was buying nothing from England.

If you can hook Asians that easy, why not Americans?

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Know any Vietnam Veterans who took R and R to Cambodia and the opium DEMs. I did, but they're all dead now, because of the pharmeds fed to them by the VA, alcohol, cigarettes, and illegal drugs. I don't think hooking Asians or Americans on drugs is very funny.

Drugs and Alcohol got them through that war. Then they came home and were spit on, including my Father who did TDY for supply and escorted fallen soldiers to their families. He started drinking again soon after.

The VA gave out Lithium Carbonate like candy, long before they learned how 'skinny' the therapeutic range is for Lithium, requiring regular draws of blood to check and adjust their levels .

I would absolutely back such a bill. It is high time (pun intended) the prohibition of marijuana came to an end. It has lasted far longer than the one on alcohol which was a dismal failure also.

DA60 said:

Anyone who votes no has not the slightest clue what the 'war on drugs' is truly like or what drug addiction truly means to addicts or to society.

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Any one who voted yes has not the slightest clue what the priorities for the country should be, or what it takes to make such a change.

See how easy it is to make really ****ing stupid generalities....

NIMBY said:

Know any Vietnam Veterans who took R and R to Cambodia and the opium DEMs. I did, but they're all dead now, because of the pharmeds fed to them by the VA, alcohol, cigarettes, and illegal drugs. I don't think hooking Asians or Americans on drugs is very funny.

Drugs and Alcohol got them through that war. Then they came home and were spit on, including my Father who did TDY for supply and escorted fallen soldiers to their families. He started drinking again soon after.

The VA gave out Lithium Carbonate like candy, long before they learned how 'skinny' the therapeutic range is for Lithium, requiring regular draws of blood to check and adjust their levels .

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Reminds me of this video:

Masterhawk said:

Reminds me of this video:

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My very best older Vietnam buddy got impaled jumping out of a truck into a metal shoot. Talk about lifetime mental and physical pain. He went west for 6 months to the Rockies and up into Canada to Banff, Lake Louise and Jasper after his tour.

Inspired me to go West when I worked for him one summer; turned me on to all the great bands like Led Zeppelin that got them through that hell on earth;

My first trip was in 1973 based out of Vernal, UT after my sophomore year in college with my Millwright buddies. Had to BYOB since Utah only sold near beer at the time unless you belonged to a club; got Coors since it wasn't East of the Mississippi yet;

He was given phenobarbital by the VA, Seconal, Quaaludes, Codeine (remember the little Codeine pellets in Darvon); those guys were on Crank/MDA, any kind of hog tranquilizer moon or angel dust, synthetic THC to relieve the physical pains from being wounded;

I wish he would have had the Bubba Kush that is now legal in CO; he might still be around; interned at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery where my lifer Dad is buried ;

Redress said:

Any one who voted yes has not the slightest clue what the priorities for the country should be, or what it takes to make such a change.

See how easy it is to make really ****ing stupid generalities....

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Considering the costs associated with the war on drugs this should be a high priority. It's also relatively low hanging fruit, especially with respect to marijuana.