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What Happens On Tuesday?

Healthcare Vote?

  • Healthcare passes in some form

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Repeal passes

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    12

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Tuesday 25JUL17 there is to be a vote on healthcare for Americans. Which way does it go? According to Senators, no one is quite sure what bill will be voted on.
 
Tuesday 25JUL17 there is to be a vote on healthcare for Americans. Which way does it go? According to Senators, no one is quite sure what bill will be voted on.

You seem to forget that whatever MIGHT pass in the Senate has to be voted on again in the House.
 
You seem to forget that whatever MIGHT pass in the Senate has to be voted on again in the House.

Where is that in the question? I just want to know how the vote goes tomorrow, you know 25JUL17.
 
I am going to guess that a (nearly empty?) bill will be put on the Senate floor for debate and amendment but nothing else (of any importance) will happen to it before the next "recess". There is simply no way to reconcile (even among the republicants) keeping the good parts (lots of additional federal funding) of PPACA while getting the federal government out of the crony capitalism business of propping up "private" insurance companies' profit margins.
 
Tuesday 25JUL17 there is to be a vote on healthcare for Americans. Which way does it go? According to Senators, no one is quite sure what bill will be voted on.

You forgot nothing as a choice.

I believe that's the most logical outcome. Nothing else has the votes.
 
You seem to forget that whatever MIGHT pass in the Senate has to be voted on again in the House.

I doubt that any republicant only healthcare bill will pass in Senate - putting a bill on the floor (tomorrow) is likely the end of this process for quite a while.
 
You forgot nothing as a choice.

I believe that's the most logical outcome. Nothing else has the votes.

From what I've been able to learn, there will a "vote" tomorrow. If other is your choice, what do you think will happen? Vote normally denotes an outcome......
 
Tuesday 25JUL17 there is to be a vote on healthcare for Americans. Which way does it go? According to Senators, no one is quite sure what bill will be voted on.

Irrelevant. If it doesn't pass tomorrow, then it will pass during a future attempt. Which attempt isn't the point, only that the raw desire to pass it exists. To paraphrase Rand Paul: "We can keep this up for quite a while."
 
Irrelevant. If it doesn't pass tomorrow, then it will pass on a future attempt. Which attempt isn't the point, only that the raw desire to pass it exists. To paraphrase Rand Paul: "We can keep this up for quite a while."

Irrelevant to what? Start your own thread! Not to your usual level of post.........
 
Irrelevant to what? Start your own thread! Not to your usual level of post.........

My involvement in this thread might be more to your liking if I had an idea of why a poll on the fourth attempt is of particular value to you.
 
I don't care how many attempts are made, for repeal, and towards a better law.

Get the ****ing law fixed correctly this time.
 
From what I've been able to learn, there will a "vote" tomorrow. If other is your choice, what do you think will happen? Vote normally denotes an outcome......

Unless Mitch has the votes to pass something, there will be no vote. Nothing will happen. It's my understanding that the Senators aren't sure what they will be voting on. Another "we have to pass this so we can read it"? Perhaps. That will not sit well with a couple of Senators.

There may be a face attempt to vote on taking it up. But even that may not have the votes.

Bottom line, Mitch and Paul have backed themselves into a corner with no way out.
 
I don't care how many attempts are made, for repeal, and towards a better law.

Get the ****ing law fixed correctly this time.

If they repeal, then that's it. You won't see any more work on healthcare until Democrats have the next filibuster-proof grip on Washington.
 
Why do you say this? Not for argument......just curious.

1) They're not going to do any work on healthcare for the same reason they're not going to go door-to-door and hand out free abortion coupons: it's not their platform and they don't believe in it. They're as likely to pass any healthcare legislation after repeal as Democrats are to pass a mandatory gun ownership law.
2) It is specifically the Republican party's platform that government shouldn't regulate healthcare insurance.
3) It is literally only the Democratic party that has ever tried to pass major healthcare reform. The Republican party never has, has shown no desire to, and in the last seven years never attempted to craft a counter proposal for healthcare reform. In fact, since "Hillary Care" in the nineties, Republicans have never attempted to create or offer their own proposal for healthcare reform. It's not their thing.
4) If Republicans were genuinely interested in healthcare reform, they wouldn't craft it in secrecy and force its party to vote on it without them first knowing what's in it.
5) If Republicans were genuinely interested in healthcare reform, they would hold public hearings, and would invite the participation of medical organizations, health insurance companies and legislators across the aisle.
 
My involvement in this thread might be more to your liking if I had an idea of why a poll on the fourth attempt is of particular value to you.

I guess I need to clear all things I care to post with you? Value? What's that got to do with anything? Vote, don't vote or move along!
 
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Tuesday 25JUL17 there is to be a vote on healthcare for Americans. Which way does it go? According to Senators, no one is quite sure what bill will be voted on.

As it stands now, there will be a vote to begin debate on a health care bill, either "repeal and replace" or "repeal and delay". It will most likely fail, but that is certainly not a certainty. Trump will make some factually challenged tweets about the result either way. If it fails, Trump and republicans will point their fingers at democrats.
 
1) They're not going to do any work on healthcare for the same reason they're not going to go door-to-door and hand out free abortion coupons: it's not their platform and they don't believe in it. They're as likely to pass any healthcare legislation after repeal as Democrats are to pass a mandatory gun ownership law.
2) It is specifically the Republican party's platform that government shouldn't regulate healthcare insurance.
3) It is literally only the Democratic party that has ever tried to pass major healthcare reform. The Republican party never has, has shown no desire to, and in the last seven years never attempted to craft a counter proposal for healthcare reform. In fact, since "Hillary Care" in the nineties, Republicans have never attempted to create or offer their own proposal for healthcare reform. It's not their thing.
4) If Republicans were genuinely interested in healthcare reform, they wouldn't craft it in secrecy and force its party to vote on it without them first knowing what's in it.
5) If Republicans were genuinely interested in healthcare reform, they would hold public hearings, and would invite the participation of medical organizations, health insurance companies and legislators across the aisle.

The republican abortion issue is the the elephant in the closet in my opinion, even if they try to deny it.

I have said from the beginning that no health care bill should be passed until they get to the deck plate level and work up from there. Talk to every nurse, doctor, health insurance companies, medical suppliers, etc. etc. etc.

Neither side has done this effectively in my opinion.

I also believe that all healthcare could be non profit.
 
The republican abortion issue is the the elephant in the closet in my opinion, even if they try to deny it.

I have said from the beginning that no health care bill should be passed until they get to the deck plate level and work up from there. Talk to every nurse, doctor, health insurance companies, medical suppliers, etc. etc. etc.

Neither side has done this effectively in my opinion.

I also believe that all healthcare could be non profit.

There comes that devil in all our government: MONEY. I believe in unicorns!
 
1) They're not going to do any work on healthcare for the same reason they're not going to go door-to-door and hand out free abortion coupons: it's not their platform and they don't believe in it. They're as likely to pass any healthcare legislation after repeal as Democrats are to pass a mandatory gun ownership law.
2) It is specifically the Republican party's platform that government shouldn't regulate healthcare insurance.
3) It is literally only the Democratic party that has ever tried to pass major healthcare reform. The Republican party never has, has shown no desire to, and in the last seven years never attempted to craft a counter proposal for healthcare reform. In fact, since "Hillary Care" in the nineties, Republicans have never attempted to create or offer their own proposal for healthcare reform. It's not their thing.
4) If Republicans were genuinely interested in healthcare reform, they wouldn't craft it in secrecy and force its party to vote on it without them first knowing what's in it.
5) If Republicans were genuinely interested in healthcare reform, they would hold public hearings, and would invite the participation of medical organizations, health insurance companies and legislators across the aisle.

A couple are not exactly accurate.

2) That is not what it says. Reduce federal regulations, with states handling the regulations for their state.
3) https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2015/11/the-nixon-comprehensive-health-insurance-plan/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_Prescription_Drug,_Improvement,_and_Modernization_Act


While I agree that republicans are doing this largely as a dog and pony show, it really hurts your arguments to overstate your case.
 
I should add that the Kushner testimony, and speculations about what he said, will dominate the headlines, relegating this much more important event to limited coverage.
 
I doubt that any republicant only healthcare bill will pass in Senate - putting a bill on the floor (tomorrow) is likely the end of this process for quite a while.
A bill to debate and discsuss health care will be offered.

If it gets the votes necessary, useless speeches will be made.

If it fails, the process is dead until after the recess.
 
A couple are not exactly accurate.

2) That is not what it says. Reduce federal regulations, with states handling the regulations for their state.
3) https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2015/11/the-nixon-comprehensive-health-insurance-plan/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_Prescription_Drug,_Improvement,_and_Modernization_Act


While I agree that republicans are doing this largely as a dog and pony show, it really hurts your arguments to overstate your case.

2. Correct, the "platform" I'm talking about is in reference to Federal involvement, not at the state level.
3. Yup, I burnt myself there by not adding a bit of an important qualifier: "in my lifetime." I started the clock during my political awakening, which was during the nineties. That said, I believe the present Republican emphasis on little or no Federal involvement gets its origins in the Reagan era. To whit, Nixon also started the EPA, and I think we can all agree that the GOP of Reagan and afterwards would throw their first born into a volcano than approve of the creation of that kind of entity. Pre-eighties was a very different time for the GOP.

Regardless of being sloppy on those two points, the larger argument stands, which is that the GOP, taking into account their political philosophy and history going back decades, will never do comprehensive healthcare reform.
 
2. Correct, the "platform" I'm talking about is in reference to Federal involvement, not at the state level.
3. Yup, I burnt myself there by not adding a bit of an important qualifier: "in my lifetime." I started the clock during my political awakening, which was during the nineties. That said, I believe the present Republican emphasis on little or no Federal involvement gets its origins in the Reagan era. To whit, Nixon also started the EPA, and I think we can all agree that the GOP of Reagan and afterwards would throw their first born into a volcano than approve of the creation of that kind of entity. Pre-eighties was a very different time for the GOP.

Regardless of being sloppy on those two points, the larger argument stands, which is that the GOP, taking into account their political philosophy and history going back decades, will never do comprehensive healthcare reform.

The larger point stands, correct. Republicans have shown little interest in significant health care reform since Bush did medicare part D. That they are trying to do this as politics instead of as policy shows where there interest is.
 
They will get enough votes to begin debate.
 
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