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What rights SHOULD we have?

What rights SHOULD we have?


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People should not have the right to bear children, IMO.

One of the worst things to happen to humanity, other than religion, is allowing stupid and poor people to have children.
 
FREE? My property tax says different.

Free as a default to the student... the tax payer is irrelevant to that fact.
 
What rights SHOULD we have?

The poll contains a list of items. Some already are Constitutional rights, and some are not.

Pick the ones that, if you were starting a brand new country today, you would want included as rights. Not privileges, but rights. "Other" is not included as there were too many options, so if you want to add something that is not on the list you will have to do so in a comment.

1) Right to bear arms
2) Right to drive
3) Freedom of Speech
4) Healthcare
5) Right to Life
6) Protection against unreasonable search and seizure
7) Protection against self-incrimination
8) Right to Privacy
9) Right to Trial by Jury
10) Right to Vote

Note: I'm limited to 10 items, so I had to pick what is hopefully a good representation. There are many others that I would have liked to include.

Right to bear arms
Freedom of Speech
Healthcare
Right to Life
Protection against unreasonable search and seizure
Protection against self-incrimination
Right to Privacy
Right to Trial by Jury
Right to Vote

I think those all should be rights except for driving and yes even healthcare. Now for healthcare maybe not so much a right unless the care was really defines but it should be protected. Other countries have it as a right we could too. I really don't see why we couldn't do basic health care and emergency healthcare in most cases. I know that's easier said then done but if congress would pulled their heads out of their asses it could get done.
 
People should not have the right to bear children, IMO.

One of the worst things to happen to humanity, other than religion, is allowing stupid and poor people to have children.

That's one of those things that are kind of hard to stop people from doing.
 
Right to bear arms
Freedom of Speech
Healthcare
Right to Life
Protection against unreasonable search and seizure
Protection against self-incrimination
Right to Privacy
Right to Trial by Jury
Right to Vote

I think those all should be rights except for driving and yes even healthcare. Now for healthcare maybe not so much a right unless the care was really defines but it should be protected. Other countries have it as a right we could too. I really don't see why we couldn't do basic health care and emergency healthcare in most cases. I know that's easier said then done but if congress would pulled their heads out of their asses it could get done.

you should have the right to any and all healthcare you can afford. sort of like firearms. you should be able to own any firearm you can afford to buy.
 
What rights SHOULD we have?

The poll contains a list of items. Some already are Constitutional rights, and some are not.

Pick the ones that, if you were starting a brand new country today, you would want included as rights. Not privileges, but rights. "Other" is not included as there were too many options, so if you want to add something that is not on the list you will have to do so in a comment.

1) Right to bear arms
2) Right to drive
3) Freedom of Speech
4) Healthcare
5) Right to Life
6) Protection against unreasonable search and seizure
7) Protection against self-incrimination
8) Right to Privacy
9) Right to Trial by Jury
10) Right to Vote

Note: I'm limited to 10 items, so I had to pick what is hopefully a good representation. There are many others that I would have liked to include.


Rights are limits placed on Govt and other people, not services promised and provided by the Govt and payed for by other people.

Also for Healthcare to be a right, Govt would have to define what constitutes a violation of a " right " that they now provide.

If someone violates your rights you have recourse, but what happens when your right to healthcare is violated under a Singlepayer system ?

What happend to all those veterans left to languish on hidden waiting list for years without treatment ? Where is their recourse ?
Was anyone at the VA held accountable ?
Driving is and should remain a priveledge, not a right.
 
No right to drive, healthcare or privacy. I'm not against the right to general privacy I'm just not sure how you could enforce it

That is the question I would have brought up too. To which extent should "rights" require supply by government instead of only producing a safe system in which the citizens can pursue their own ideas of happiness as best they can?
 
That's one of those things that are kind of hard to stop people from doing.

If you allow abortion....? It's only a matter of ethics.
 
People should not have the right to bear children, IMO.

One of the worst things to happen to humanity, other than religion, is allowing stupid and poor people to have children.

The Chinese tried that and got a society that has to buy women in foreign countries.
 
I clicked all of the options except right to drive and right to life, which is generally code for a return to back alley abortions for almost all cases.

As for right to drive, it's pretty much a necessity where i live due to no public transport, so i used to support the concept. I don't consider it a "privilege," either, because the people who used to argue that position in debates during my libertarian days were generally pompous assholes. Of course, so was i, generally, lol. I'll call driving more of a public service than a right. Basically, you have to pay to play, and your Oyster card can be taken away under some circumstances.
 
Rights are limits placed on Govt and other people, not services promised and provided by the Govt and payed for by other people.

Also for Healthcare to be a right, Govt would have to define what constitutes a violation of a " right " that they now provide.

If someone violates your rights you have recourse, but what happens when your right to healthcare is violated under a Singlepayer system ?

What happend to all those veterans left to languish on hidden waiting list for years without treatment ? Where is their recourse ?
Was anyone at the VA held accountable ?
Driving is and should remain a priveledge, not a right.
Says who? Keep in mind the premise is you are starting a new country so what the US Constitution says wouldn't be strictly applicable. A right can be whatever your new constitution says.
 
If you allow abortion....? It's only a matter of ethics.

I don't personally allow anything. Society collectively allows things. And ethics is subjective. Do you have a point?
 
That would exclude education, emergency room care, a lawyer if you can not afford one....etc

That's right. None of those things are a right. They may be the law which is a different thing. But are not rights.
 
Every child in America has the right to a free and appropriate education from a SCOTUS decision. You don't even need to be a citizen

The SCOTUS decision was that if the law provides education to any, it must provide education to all per equal treatment under the law. It is not that the law cannot be changed (and in some cases it definitely should be) which could make the SCOTUS ruling moot. But SCOTUS did not rule that we are required to build schools and make education available where they do not exist. It did not rule that people must go into teaching or that teachers must be provided to all. If you live in a remote area in which there are no schools, there is no requirement that the government must tax the citizens to provide you with an education.
 
That's right. None of those things are a right. They may be the law which is a different thing. But are not rights.

Factually you are incorrect currently. You may not want them to be rights but they are
 
The SCOTUS decision was that if the law provides education to any, it must provide education to all per equal treatment under the law. It is not that the law cannot be changed (and in some cases it definitely should be) which could make the SCOTUS ruling moot. But SCOTUS did not rule that we are required to build schools and make education available where they do not exist. It did not rule that people must go into teaching or that teachers must be provided to all. If you live in a remote area in which there are no schools, there is no requirement that the government must tax the citizens to provide you with an education.

In correct. If you live in a remote area they must provide your child an education. It could be online or involve transportation but they will provide it. Any law can be changed but until they do every child in america has the right to a free and appropriate education
 
Factually you are incorrect currently. You may not want them to be rights but they are

By what criteria is it decreed that it is YOUR RIGHT for me to provide you with shelter, clothing, food, healthcare, an education? Where is it written that it is my responsibility for me to use my resources that I honorably and ethically worked for and acquired for your benefit?

On what basis do you state that it is your right for me to serve you in any way?

I need some work done on my house. I insist that you do it. Is Thursday good for you?
 
I don't personally allow anything. Society collectively allows things. And ethics is subjective. Do you have a point?

It is probably too hot for you to see the point. Maybe, if you think about it in the evening.
 
By what criteria is it decreed that it is YOUR RIGHT for me to provide you with shelter, clothing, food, healthcare, an education? Where is it written that it is my responsibility for me to use my resources that I honorably and ethically worked for and acquired for your benefit?

On what basis do you state that it is your right for me to serve you in any way?

I need some work done on my house. I insist that you do it. Is Thursday good for you?

Please show me where I said shelter clothing, shelter or food. Emergency room care is a right defined by EMTLA law. (Thanks Reagan). Education is a right defined as FAPE.

So factually you are incorrect
 
In correct. If you live in a remote area they must provide your child an education. It could be online or involve transportation but they will provide it. Any law can be changed but until they do every child in america has the right to a free and appropriate education

Show me the law that says that. Currently I believe all 50 states have compulsory education for children at least 6 yrs old up to 16 years old, but if a state should choose to change its law, there is no federal law that states that the children in that state must be educated, free or otherwise.

There is no such thing as a 'free education'. Educating children requires the time and effort of teachers, books, pencils, paper, etc. before literacy can be achieved. Somebody has to provide the man hours and resources and they do not suddenly appear out of thin air.

There was no compulsory education in the USA prior to Massachusetts being the first state to initiate such laws in 1852. That would be 76 years after the Declaration of Independence was signed and 64 years after the Constitution was ratified. The Founders did not consider education to be a right nor anything else that required free men to provide anything of their time, talent, or resources to anybody else.

If it requires somebody else provide it for you, it is not a right. It is a privilege determined by social contract i.e. the law.
 
Show me the law that says that. Currently I believe all 50 states have compulsory education for children at least 6 yrs old up to 16 years old, but if a state should choose to change its law, there is no federal law that states that the children in that state must be educated, free or otherwise.

There is no such thing as a 'free education'. Educating children requires the time and effort of teachers, books, pencils, paper, etc. before literacy can be achieved. Somebody has to provide the man hours and resources and they do not suddenly appear out of thin air.

There was no compulsory education in the USA prior to Massachusetts being the first state to initiate such laws in 1852. That would be 76 years after the Declaration of Independence was signed and 64 years after the Constitution was ratified. The Founders did not consider education to be a right nor anything else that required free men to provide anything of their time, talent, or resources to anybody else.

If it requires somebody else provide it for you, it is not a right. It is a privilege determined by social contract i.e. the law.

You simply continue to be factually incorrect. Education falls under the IDEA federal law. The founders have nothing to do with this. They did not also say that you have the RIGHT to an attorney free of charge if you can not afford one. You must have at least heard the miranda warning on tv at some point. That is a RIGHT declared by SCOTUS
 
Please show me where I said shelter clothing, shelter or food. Emergency room care is a right defined by EMTLA law. (Thanks Reagan). Education is a right defined as FAPE.

So factually you are incorrect

Yes. Emergency care is required by law IF emergency care is available. That is a matter of law, not a right. If you are where there is no emergency care available, the law does not require you to be provided with emergency care.

And I mentioned shelter, food, clothing, because they are just as essential for life as emergency care might be. So why aren't they RIGHTS? It is pretty arbitrary picking one thing out of the essentials as a right and ignoring all the other things. That's why healthcare is not a RIGHT. It is a privilege decreed by law. A law that can be changed as easily as it was put into force.
 
Yes. Emergency care is required by law IF emergency care is available. That is a matter of law, not a right. If you are where there is no emergency care available, the law does not require you to be provided with emergency care.

And I mentioned shelter, food, clothing, because they are just as essential for life as emergency care might be. So why aren't they RIGHTS? It is pretty arbitrary picking one thing out of the essentials as a right and ignoring all the other things. That's why healthcare is not a RIGHT. It is a privilege decreed by law. A law that can be changed as easily as it was put into force.

Emergency care is a right. You have the right to be responded to with an emergency vehicle everywhere in the country. And it is a RIGHT declared by law. EMTLA specifically declares it a right. Healthcare can be the same way if we choose it to be
 
Emergency care is a right. You have the right to be responded to with an emergency vehicle everywhere in the country. And it is a RIGHT declared by law. EMTLA specifically declares it a right. Healthcare can be the same way if we choose it to be

Anything that the law decrees is a privilege that the law can take away at any time. A right is something to which free people are entitled whether or not others prevent somebody from exercising or enjoying that right.

If somebody else has to provide it for you or your exercising it required contribution or participation by others, it is not a right, but a privilege declared by law or agreed by social contract.
 
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