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Should Seattle's First Gay Mayor Resign?

Should Seattle Mayor Murray Resign?

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phattonez said:
This really isn't worth debating. This is a pathetic dodge.
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Of course you won't debate it. You are incapable, you are uneducated on the issue, and you dodge and cowardly duck out every time I demonstrate that any research you present is either invalid or you misread. But please, keep posting on this topic, phattonez. I LOVE humiliating you and helping you to look so uneducated on it.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Of course you won't debate it. You are incapable, you are uneducated on the issue, and you dodge and cowardly duck out every time I demonstrate that any research you present is either invalid or you misread. But please, keep posting on this topic, phattonez. I LOVE humiliating you and helping you to look so uneducated on it.
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There's nothing to debate. You think that a man who has sex with a 15 year old boy isn't a homosexual. You can't argue with someone who's denial of reality has gone that far.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
With all due respect, you are completely ignorant and clueless on this issue. If you are willing to allow your stereotyping and lack of education on this issue guide you when someone who knows a ton more and has read a ton more is telling you differently, then feel free to remain ignorant... but don't expect me to not call you out on it. Oh, and your politically correct meme is just an excuse because you have no legitimate argument to counter anything that I have said. It's the argument of the weak and demonstrates that you have no critical thinking skills on this issue. Just your stereotyping.
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I see a pattern with truthatallcost responses. The response wording is very similar in other threads when someone calls him out or disagrees with him. I agree that TAAC is "ignorant and clueless on this issue".

As I posted earlier the alleged crime has nothing to do with sexual orientation. I blame the media for highlighting certain "facts" just to hype a story.
 
phattonez said:
There's nothing to debate. You think that a man who has sex with a 15 year old boy isn't a homosexual. You can't argue with someone who's denial of reality has gone that far.
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Of course there is nothing to debate. You don't understand research, facts, information, psychology, sexuality, psychological disorders, logic... shall I go on? Can't debate with someone who is so devoid of logic and so bigoted on an issue that they refuse to educate themselves on it. So, my job, instead of trying to help you to understand the issue better, is just to humiliate your position so no one else, uneducated will believe that it makes any sense... since it doesn't.
 
phattonez said:
Because a man who attacks a 14 year old boy isn't a homosexual? Come on, even you don't really believe that.
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AGENT J said:
Yes it 100% factual he may not be, but now you are even pushing the areas of pedophilia. I understand your posts are severely uneducated about this topic and you continue to prove that fact over and over again but FYI the age of 14 is stretching things when discussing pedophilia. .

pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children. The medical community agrees that the cutoff is typically 13 and below

are your posts that ignorant and or dishonest of the subject or are your post just trying to move the goal post now since the retarded lies and claims you posted were vastly exposed and are factually wrong wrong?
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phattonez said:
There's nothing to debate. You think that a man who has sex with a 15 year old boy isn't a homosexual. You can't argue with someone who's denial of reality has gone that far.
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Did you AGAIN make a blatantly retarded and dishonest post, try to move the goal post and bump the age AGAIN only to get caught and have your posted exposed and destroyed repeatedly LMAO
The bigotry, dishonest and severely uneducated ignorance and lies in your posts will never be taken seriously by educated, honest and objective individuals. They will simply be laughed at and exposed for the nonsensical retarded lies and ignorance they are.

Fact remains:
FACTS
Homosexuality/heterosexuality =/= pedophilia
Homosexuality/heterosexuality =/= the gender of a pedophilia attractions

and theres nothing you can do to change those facts :)

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It doesn't matter if he resigns or not. He's already withdrawn from the election, and his opponents just smell blood in the water.
 
truthatallcost said:
Another garbage post from you, wow what a surprise. You posted the part of his article where he's complaining about George Bush, which is completely irrelevant to this thread. Go worry about your scientific fakts concerning white privilege, since that seems to be your burning obsession in life.
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Unhinged.


truthatallcost said:
Where's your degree in math or science or engineering? I'd take you seriously if you had one.
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:2wave:
 
He should resign for signing an illegal income tax into law in Seattle.
 
truthatallcost said:
It's unfathomable to me that this creep has been allowed to get away with adopting boys, and then molesting them, ALL while being a public figure who became mayor of Seattle.
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Considering that we have a President that open bragged about molesting women and grabbing their ******s because "he could".....why are you surprised? Did you vote for the ***** grabber?
 
AGENT J said:
Most curious, What will color off on the gay moment and what is the gay movement?
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I watched something similar happen in Germany following the introduction of a proposal for legislation allowing sex with children by the Green party. That move was led by a sexual liberties group around Beck who signaled his gayness continuously. The two were connected in voter minds for quite some time that homosexuals were apt to be pedophiles. This is mostly no longer what people think, but for a while it lurked. The last thing a a gay movement needs is suspicion that it is supporting a gay major that is pedophile clinging to office and using his connections to escape prosecution.
 
joG said:
1.)I watched something similar happen in Germany following the introduction of a proposal for legislation allowing sex with children by the Green party. That move was led by a sexual liberties group around Beck who signaled his gayness continuously. The two were connected in voter minds for quite some time that homosexuals were apt to be pedophiles. This is mostly no longer what people think, but for a while it lurked.
2.) The last thing a a gay movement needs is suspicion that it is supporting a gay major that is pedophile clinging to office and using his connections to escape prosecution.
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1.) meaningless to this issue since its not similar at all
2a.) what is the gay movement
2b.) who is supporting a pedophile mayor

Ill ask my questions again since you seem to be running from them.

What will color off on the gay moment
What is the gay movement?


joG said:
I had said somewhere here that it seems a little difficult to tell not knowing the evidence well. But this is a nasty suspicion by our normal cultural standards.
And holding on will discredit the gay movement. Some of the smell will stick. Especially if the plot thickens. If he were fair, he wouldn't let it come to that.
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Holding on to what?
What smell will stick to who and according to who?
 
truthatallcost said:
Well according to some people on this thread, 'most men who molest boys are heterosexual'. Where's your condemnation of that stupidity?
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At the end of the day, why does the sexual orientation of a pedo matter so much? Are gay pedos worse? Is it more ok to molest a little girl? Hell, maybe "pedo" is their sexual orientation. Normal adults are attracted to a certain sex, whether same or opposite, but pedos are attracted to age.
 
phattonez said:
This really isn't worth debating. This is a pathetic dodge.
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Let me ask you, if you knew someone who was, by your definition, a hetero pedophile, would you feel safe leaving your young son alone with him? If the answer is no, why not?
 
X Factor said:
Let me ask you, if you knew someone who was, by your definition, a hetero pedophile, would you feel safe leaving your young son alone with him? If the answer is no, why not?
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Hell no. But if you take a random homosexual and a random heterosexual, the homosexual is far more likely to go after boys under the age of consent. That's my point.
 
X Factor said:
At the end of the day, why does the sexual orientation of a pedo matter so much? Are gay pedos worse? Is it more ok to molest a little girl? Hell, maybe "pedo" is their sexual orientation. Normal adults are attracted to a certain sex, whether same or opposite, but pedos are attracted to age.
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If we knew who was a pedo beforehand it wouldn't matter. We don't. What we do know is that homosexuals are far more likely to attack young boys.
 
LaylaWindu said:
From just skimming it seems to be the vast majority of people in this thread and those people would be well educated on this topic and their posts are in line with facts and the medical community. They understand the fact that pedphilia and hetero/homosexual are different and separate things. So there's nothign to condemn them for, it would make be a complete moron to condemn facts. Is there some factual, medical and science evidence you have that makes them and the consensus of the medical community wrong? If so please present it.
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Many medical and scientific studies conveniently label men who attack 14 year old boys as pedophiles instead of the homosexuals that they obviously are. That's the problem.
 
mike2810 said:
I agree it has nothing to do with his sexual orientation. However, it seems the MSM likes to point out peoples differences when it can sensationalize the story.
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The guy is going around telling everyone that he's being discriminated against because he's gay. If he's going to use his sexual orientation as a shield against criticism, then he's the one trying to make an issue of the fact he's gay.
 
phattonez said:
Many medical and scientific studies conveniently label men who attack 14 year old boys as pedophiles instead of the homosexuals that they obviously are. That's the problem.
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Exactly. Mayor Murray has been accused by men that say they were 14-19 at the time that he abused them, or paid them for sex. This doesn't even fit the parameters of pedophilia, since the general cut off age for that is 13 years old.

Science is burdened with the weight of political pressure from groups that are only concerned with brainwashing the public.
 
X Factor said:
At the end of the day, why does the sexual orientation of a pedo matter so much? Are gay pedos worse? Is it more ok to molest a little girl? Hell, maybe "pedo" is their sexual orientation. Normal adults are attracted to a certain sex, whether same or opposite, but pedos are attracted to age.
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What about the modern phenomenon of 30 year old women teachers sleeping with 14-15 year old boys? Society definitely doesn't see that as being as bad as when men are the adult committing the abuse, regardless of the gender of their underage victim.

Double standards exist throughout this subject.
 
truthatallcost said:
What about the modern phenomenon of 30 year old women teachers sleeping with 14-15 year old boys? Society definitely doesn't see that as being as bad as when men are the adult committing the abuse, regardless of the gender of their underage victim.

Double standards exist throughout this subject.
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I see. Basically your argument is that it's just worse if boys are molested therefore hetero pedos are better than gay ones. Do you not get how ridiculous that is?
 
X Factor said:
I see. Basically your argument is that it's just worse if boys are molested therefore hetero pedos are better than gay ones. Do you not get how ridiculous that is?
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You're completely off base. I wasn't defending any child abuse with that comment, just pointing out that society in general sees one kind of abuse as less harmful than others.
 
truthatallcost said:
The guy is going around telling everyone that he's being discriminated against because he's gay. If he's going to use his sexual orientation as a shield against criticism, then he's the one trying to make an issue of the fact he's gay.
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I assume you are talking about the poster I agreed with and not the mayor. So how does your post relate to the OP and discussing the allegation against the mayor?

My point stands, "I agree it has nothing to do with his sexual orientation. However, it seems the MSM likes to point out peoples differences when it can sensationalize the story."

Murray has admitted he is gay. Him being gay has nothing to do with the alleged complaint "he sexually abused four teenagers, including his foster son, in the 1980s ".

A person can be straight, gay, bisexual, etc. and still commit sexual crimes. The crime is not that the mayor is gay. The alleged crime is he abused four teenagers.
 
mike2810 said:
I assume you are talking about the poster I agreed with and not the mayor. So how does your post relate to the OP and discussing the allegation against the mayor?

My point stands, "I agree it has nothing to do with his sexual orientation. However, it seems the MSM likes to point out peoples differences when it can sensationalize the story."

Murray has admitted he is gay. Him being gay has nothing to do with the alleged complaint "he sexually abused four teenagers, including his foster son, in the 1980s ".

A person can be straight, gay, bisexual, etc. and still commit sexual crimes. The crime is not that the mayor is gay. The alleged crime is he abused four teenagers.
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I was referring to the mayor. He's played the gay card throughout the development of the story. Other men accused of similar crimes, like Dennis Hastert and Jerry Sandusky, never claimed that allegations of sexual abuse were just a gay political witch hunt. Not that they're any better than Mayor Murray.

You should be taking issue with Murray himself for starting this charade of his. I've never said his orientation was a sign of guilt, and I don't think anyone else on the thread has.
 
truthatallcost said:
Do you know how public scientific research works? Scientists must lobby politicians for grant money, which creates a system of science-for-hire. Scientists are not encouraged to publish findings that conflict with the goals of government. This has lead to politically correct science emanating from American universities for many years.

Scientists have become deeply involved in interest-group politics in the American policymaking process.

Key heads of scientific agencies such as the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, NSF, and NIH recognize scientists role in the political process. They have often admonished scientists to speak with one voice.

This is how you end up believing that most men who molest boys are not gay. I'm just amazed at how people will blankly allow themselves to believe tripe, while not even investigating the key factors that played a part in the tripe they've been served.

Science and Politics: The Uneasy Relationship*
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So your answer is still no, you don't have anything that trumps the consensus of the medical and science communities that lends support to your inaccurate stance. We already knew that.
 
phattonez said:
Many medical and scientific studies conveniently label men who attack 14 year old boys as pedophiles instead of the homosexuals that they obviously are. That's the problem.
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Actually exactly ZERO legit medical and scientific studies conveniently label men who attack 14 year old boys as pedophiles instead of the homosexuals that they obviously are. So there is no real problem just your lack of understanding of facts the majority obviously get but you don't. That's fine by me, you're simply wrong today and if you keep your false opinion you'll be wrong tomorrow too. Your ignorance on this topic is yours to bare.
 
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