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    Re: Should The US ally with Countries that don't share it's values

    Quote Originally Posted by Crispy View Post
    Yet we Allied with Stalin in WWII and Gorbachev in the 80s and 90s. We also allied with Iraq during the Iran Iraq war, Sadaam's regime being nothing more than a militarized crime syndicate. Nixon went to China. We engaged Iran against the majority of our Middle East partners to produce the Iran Nuclear deal, Iran being the epitome of anti west ideology. We can deal with Stalin, Gorbachev, Sadaam Hussein, the Mullahs in Iran, Mao Zedong (Nixon in China) but not Putin?

    I'm not passing a judgement on any of these alliances and diplomacy, just asking where the line gets drawn.
    Drawing a line in the sand with countries for national defense/security is important, but we are not in crisis mode with Russia at this point and time. The Mullah and Arab Monarchy run countries are a different from Russia, and tend to operate mainly from a religious ideology in all forms of business with western countries. Dealing with the Russians is more like dealing with a national mafia syndicate. We have to approach each much differently from the other.

    When it comes right down to the nitty gritty, our own trusted allies could care less if we take a beating as long their own country comes out ahead in any partnership regarding business, trade, or politics. Mutual agreements generally always have one side getting the better end of the deal.

    Yeah....Russia isn't your typical friendly partnership like the EU, but that doesn't mean that we should ignore forming future trade agreements, strategic agreements, or cultural exchange.

    Am I wrong?
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    Re: Should The US ally with Countries that don't share it's values

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    In an ideal world, you wouldn't.

    But it should be clear to anyone who peels away rhetoric or desires for what the world could be, that the harsh realities of Geopolitics will always, always take precedence over any political desire.

    If the Cold War didn't demonstrate that enough for you then nothing ever will.
    This. And you said it better than I was going to.

    It's just practical reality.
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    Re: Should The US ally with Countries that don't share it's values

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Hell, they behead people for sorcery in Saudi Arabia. They behead more people than ISIS and Al Qaida combined. It's a medieval monarchy that demonstrates that all you need is to be an economic asset to be a valued ally of the USA.
    I've long thought that without oil the middle east would be as ignored as Africa is.

    If we do get offended by ISIS beheadings... and we should, just to be clear... then we should also give comparable media attention and outrage to other countries doing the same thing.
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    Re: Should The US ally with Countries that don't share it's values

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Reperations for their acts of aggression against The United States. Termination of their support for global terrorism. American oil tankers in their ports buying oil for 10% below the market value. American drilling rights on Iranian soil.
    Interesting proposal...so, given that 15 of th 19 9/11 attackers came from Saudi Arabia, and since America and Saudia Arabia are still besties, what was the reparation package you guys settled on there?
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    Re: Should The US ally with Countries that don't share it's values

    Depends on the nature of the relationship and benefit in my opinion.
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    Re: Should The US ally with Countries that don't share it's values

    Quote Originally Posted by Yes_Minister View Post
    Its odd that Saudi Arabia supports terrorists as well, but no one, either Republican or Democrat administrations, calls them on it.
    It's equally odd that people seem to think that because Saudi individuals conducted terrorist attacks, that means Iran's governmental support of terrorists across the Middle East is somehow "justified".

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    Re: Should The US ally with Countries that don't share it's values

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    Interesting proposal...so, given that 15 of th 19 9/11 attackers came from Saudi Arabia, and since America and Saudia Arabia are still besties, what was the reparation package you guys settled on there?
    Did the Saudi government directly support the 9/11 attack?
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    Yeah policy, not ass licking Putin for dirt on Hillary like your hero trump did. Trump supporters are pure garbage and have sold out their country to Russia. They should be ashamed of themselves but the fact they are pure scum prevents it. Each and every trump supporter is an enemy of America.

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    Re: Should The US ally with Countries that don't share it's values

    Quote Originally Posted by Yes_Minister View Post
    Its odd that Saudi Arabia supports terrorists as well, but no one, either Republican or Democrat administrations, calls them on it.
    The Saudi government doesn't openly and directly support terrorist groups. Iran, on the other hand openly a directly supports and funds Hamas and Hezbollah. Iran has been convicted in American courts for being responsible for the Khobar Tower bombing. They also advised, trained and equipped terrorists that were fighting American troops in Iraq.
    Quote Originally Posted by Praxas View Post
    Yeah policy, not ass licking Putin for dirt on Hillary like your hero trump did. Trump supporters are pure garbage and have sold out their country to Russia. They should be ashamed of themselves but the fact they are pure scum prevents it. Each and every trump supporter is an enemy of America.

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    Re: Should The US ally with Countries that don't share it's values

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Saudi government doesn't openly and directly support terrorist groups. Iran, on the other hand openly a directly supports and funds Hamas and Hezbollah. Iran has been convicted in American courts for being responsible for the Khobar Tower bombing. They also advised, trained and equipped terrorists that were fighting American troops in Iraq.
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    Re: Should The US ally with Countries that don't share it's values

    Quote Originally Posted by Parrish View Post
    Crispy, there's a difference between diplomacy and alliance. Sometimes we have to deal with the world as it is, diplomacy. Sometimes we act because of common interests. But when a country interferes with our elections and seeks to undermine our values and place among other nations, as Russia is, they are not an ally. They, and others, should be punished with sanctions.

    If we here at DP knew the answer we'd be sharing the Nobel Prize.
    Not saying you are wrong, but it is a good thing no other country has the power to apply those same standards to the US.

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