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Who Leaked the Trump Jr./Goldstone Email Chain to the NYT?

Who was the leaker?

  • Rob Goldstone

    Votes: 3 15.0%
  • Trump Jr.

    Votes: 1 5.0%
  • Kushner

    Votes: 5 25.0%
  • Manafort

    Votes: 3 15.0%
  • Someone Else - and Who's Your Guess?

    Votes: 8 40.0%

  • Total voters
    20
I think it was the two go-betweens who set up the meeting. Goldstone is the one who engaged Trump Jr. with the email chain. That Russian rock star is the one who engaged the lawyer in a phone call. Goldstone pushed the Clinton dirt thing, the rock star pushed the adoption thing. Neither Trump Jr. nor the lawyer were aware of what the other was expecting...and that's why the meeting turned into a waste of time.

But one thing DID come out of it: Goldstone had something to give to the media to hurt the Trumps.

Look at the connections between all of these people, Fusion GPS, whom some of them had connections to, and the Democrats who appear to be behind the whole thing...and we'll have the motivation.

So your theory is that the whole thing was a Democratic plot and that the Trump team are just innocent keystone cop types that are easily manipulated.

Fascinating.
 
When Kushner updated his security clearance forms, the information became kinda-sorta public in that I believe credentialed journalists have access to such public documents. But simply knowing there was a meeting did not give them access to the e-mail chain. Unless those emails had been turned over to the FBI, Mueller, or one of the congressional committees investigating Russia in response to subpoenas for "all relevant documents, etc., then the only people who knew about them were inside the White House.

Aides and Staffers of various WH warring "factions" would have known about them, either by being involved in cataloging, scheduling or being in briefings (or earshot, for that matter) as the meeting was being discussed. I personally believe that someone in the WH leaked this story to NYT, forcing Don Jr. to "out" himself. My top choices? Bannon or Kushner.

It could have been Goldstone, but a low-level Russian lacky like him would never have leaked those emails without strict instructions to do so from the top of the Russian food chain, and I personally fail to see what benefit Putin has gotten out of this.
 
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Don Cheeto needs some Depends, to stop the leaks .........
 
So your theory is that the whole thing was a Democratic plot and that the Trump team are just innocent keystone cop types that are easily manipulated.

Fascinating.

Plenty of seasoned politicians have been the victim of political hit jobs. Trump Jr. isn't even a seasoned politician.

But you can be sure that the Democrats are experts at hit jobs.
 
When Kushner updated his security clearance forms, the information became kinda-sorta public in that I believe credentialed journalists have access to such public documents. But simply knowing there was a meeting did not give them access to the e-mail chain. Unless those emails had been turned over to the FBI, Mueller, or one of the congressional committees investigating Russia in response to subpoenas for "all relevant documents, etc., then the only people who knew about them were inside the White House.

Aides and Staffers of various WH warring "factions" would have known about them, either by being involved in cataloging, scheduling or being in briefings (or earshot, for that matter) as the meeting was being discussed. I personally believe that someone in the WH leaked this story to NYT, forcing Don Jr. to "out" himself. My top choices? Bannon or Kushner.

It could have been Goldstone, but a low-level Russian lacky like him would never have leaked those emails without strict instructions to do so from the top of the Russian food chain, and I personally fail to see what benefit Putin has gotten out of this.

What makes you think Goldstone is a Russian lackey? I see him more as a Democratic Party lackey.
 
Plenty of seasoned politicians have been the victim of political hit jobs. Trump Jr. isn't even a seasoned politician.

But you can be sure that the Democrats are experts at hit jobs.

Paul Manafort, who thought it was a great idea to attend the meeting in Trump Tower, on the other hand is a seasoned political operative. Can you provide an example of a recent, successful "Democratic hit job"? You've really piqued my curiosity.
 
Paul Manafort, who thought it was a great idea to attend the meeting in Trump Tower, on the other hand is a seasoned political operative. Can you provide an example of a recent, successful "Democratic hit job"? You've really piqued my curiosity.

I dunno. Let's ask Bernie.
 
I dunno. Let's ask Bernie.

So, that's your example of a "hit job"? Outstanding. Now can you provide an example of a successful "Democratic hit job" against a GOP opponent. Remember, Mycroft said the Dems are experts.
 
So, that's your example of a "hit job"? Outstanding. Now can you provide an example of a successful "Democratic hit job" against a GOP opponent. Remember, Mycroft said the Dems are experts.

You asked about a democrat hit job. I gave you an excellent example which is quite typical. Ask Hillary about the rumors she started about Obama in 2007. Ask McCain. Ask W. Hell, ask Harry Reid about Romney's tax returns. Surely you can provide yourself with examples. There's no shortage.
 
The purpose of this poll is not to conclude whether or not the email between Rob Goldstone and Trump Jr. is an indication of guilt. We've beat that to death over the past few days. When Trump Jr. learned the Times was about to publish the emails, Jr. tweeted them out himself. In the past, the Trump and his associates have screamed "bloody murder" whenever there's been a leak of information. This time, I'm not aware of any such whining which indicates Trump, Trump Jr. and/or his associates either know who the leaker is or are trying to protect him or her.

My question is: Who do you think leaked the email chain to the NY Times in the first place?

Goldstone? - what would be the motive except to promote himself? Doing so would damage his relationship with the Trumps irreparably.

Jr. Himself? - doing so would contradict his statement a day earlier that he had no knowledge of with whom he was meeting prior to the actual meeting.

Kushner? - what would be his motive? Self preservation?

Manafort? - perhaps he's been "turned" by the independent counsel and this was part of counsel's plan to see who might incriminate themselves.

Someone else? - someone hacked Jr.'s emails? Maybe the Russians double-crossing Trump?

Inquiring minds want to know!


These leaks are coming from White House advisers & staff.

Example

When Trump met with the Russians in the Oval Office, he blocked out American media and would only allow Russian media in. During the process he gave classified information to the Russians, that had not gone through the process of being declassified. There were only 3 other Americans in the room with Trump. H.R. McMaster National Security adviser, Dina Powell Deputy National Security Adviser, and Rex Tillerson, Secretary of State. So which one leaked to the Washington Post?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.aa29f28373f0
Who was in Trump's meeting with the Russians? - CNNPolitics.com

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Apparently, US intelligence agents had warned Isreali Intelligence in January 2017 not go give Trump any sensitve information, citing that he may be compromised by the Russians.
US spies 'warned Israel not to share intelligence with Trump'
Israel was warned not to give intel to Trump that could be leaked to Russia - Business Insider

I believe this instance is also coming from White House advisers and or staff. What Trump fails to realise is that these people have sworn an oath to defend and protect this country against foreign and domestic enemies and they may very well consider him, his son & son in law to be the enemies. The below article is a timeline on the New York Times article regarding the Trump Jr. incident--and it will get into more details.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/russia-trump-emails.html

John McCain stated again yesterday, there will be more shoes to drop, and everytime he says it--another shoe drops.
 
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You asked about a democrat hit job. I gave you an excellent example which is quite typical. Ask Hillary about the rumors she started about Obama in 2007. Ask McCain. Ask W. Hell, ask Harry Reid about Romney's tax returns. Surely you can provide yourself with examples. There's no shortage.

Plenty of seasoned politicians have been the victim of political hit jobs. Trump Jr. isn't even a seasoned politician.

But you can be sure that the Democrats are experts at hit jobs.


You asked about a democrat hit job. I gave you an excellent example which is quite typical. Ask Hillary about the rumors she started about Obama in 2007. Ask McCain. Ask W. Hell, ask Harry Reid about Romney's tax returns. Surely you can provide yourself with examples. There's no shortage.

I can name several GOP hit jobs on their opponents and Democrats. Pretty evil ones, as a matter of fact. Speaking of McCain, ask him about what Rove and Bush did to him in 2000. Look at all the evil lies created by right-wing hitmen regarding both Clintons. And O-M-G, the "birther" sewage that Trump led against Obama and the unprecedented horse**** accusations Trump continues to level on both Obama and Hillary today!

I’m not aware of such evil B.S. being spewed by Democrats but I do know this:

It’s a lot easier to blame others for your political woes than it is to admit you’re backing a disgusting buffoon like Trump and his disastrous clown car of cronies. Scapegoating is a time-honored right-wing tradition. Heck, it’s how Trump got himself elected, bad-mouthing Muslims, Mexicans and claiming all the "evil foreigners" are laughing at us.

Anyway, you guys have a good night!
 
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So, that's your example of a "hit job"? Outstanding. Now can you provide an example of a successful "Democratic hit job" against a GOP opponent. Remember, Mycroft said the Dems are experts.

Perhaps I should remind you of exactly what I said:

Plenty of seasoned politicians have been the victim of political hit jobs. Trump Jr. isn't even a seasoned politician.

But you can be sure that the Democrats are experts at hit jobs.

humbolt provided the example...and now you want to move the goalposts.
 
Perhaps I should remind you of exactly what I said:



humbolt provided the example...and now you want to move the goalposts.

That's ok - I feel I demonstrated that the GOP political dirty tricksters are much worse. You think the Democrats are the dirty ones. Whatever gets you to sleep at night.
 
That's ok - I feel I demonstrated that the GOP political dirty tricksters are much worse. You think the Democrats are the dirty ones. Whatever gets you to sleep at night.

I said the Democrats were experts and I didn't single out the Democrats. Perhaps you need another reminder?

Plenty of seasoned politicians have been the victim of political hit jobs. Trump Jr. isn't even a seasoned politician.

But you can be sure that the Democrats are experts at hit jobs.

I'm having serious reservations in my confidence that you are able to address any of my posts honestly.
 
I'm having serious reservations in my confidence that you are able to address any of my posts honestly.

When Trump and his team engage in immoral behavior, instead of blaming them you choose to blame "those evil Democrats".

Back at ya, buddy.
 
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The purpose of this poll is not to conclude whether or not the email between Rob Goldstone and Trump Jr. is an indication of guilt. We've beat that to death over the past few days. When Trump Jr. learned the Times was about to publish the emails, Jr. tweeted them out himself. In the past, the Trump and his associates have screamed "bloody murder" whenever there's been a leak of information. This time, I'm not aware of any such whining which indicates Trump, Trump Jr. and/or his associates either know who the leaker is or are trying to protect him or her.

My question is: Who do you think leaked the email chain to the NY Times in the first place?

Goldstone? - what would be the motive except to promote himself? Doing so would damage his relationship with the Trumps irreparably.

Jr. Himself? - doing so would contradict his statement a day earlier that he had no knowledge of with whom he was meeting prior to the actual meeting.

Kushner? - what would be his motive? Self preservation?

Manafort? - perhaps he's been "turned" by the independent counsel and this was part of counsel's plan to see who might incriminate themselves.

Someone else? - someone hacked Jr.'s emails? Maybe the Russians double-crossing Trump?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Russia. It was known long ago that Russia wanted to undermine the US elections and make Americans lose faith in the Democratic process. So, they hack some emails, cozy up to Trump, and then stab him in the back after he wins and walah, they have successfully undermined the US elections and made Americans lose faith in the Democratic process. Meanwhile they become stronger while we become weaker. Lefties fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
 
Russia. It was known long ago that Russia wanted to undermine the US elections and make Americans lose faith in the Democratic process. So, they hack some emails, cozy up to Trump, and then stab him in the back after he wins and walah, they have successfully undermined the US elections and made Americans lose faith in the Democratic process. Meanwhile they become stronger while we become weaker. Lefties fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

The "Lefties fell for it"?! :rofl :spin:
So Manafort, Kushner, and Jr. are "lefties"?

You are truly adorable :applaud
 
The "Lefties fell for it"?! :rofl :spin:
So Manafort, Kushner, and Jr. are "lefties"?

You are truly adorable :applaud

The lefties fell for Russia making it appear that Russia had colluded with Trump and his campaign to influence the election in order to undermine and make Americans lose faith in the Democratic election process. Mission accomplished in that Russia didn't actually collude with anyone to influence the election, they just made it appear that way and the left has gone totally rabid, buying it hook, line and sinker. Don't worry though, I don't expect you to understand. It is obviously over your head.
 
The lefties fell for Russia making it appear that Russia had colluded with Trump and his campaign to influence the election in order to undermine and make Americans lose faith in the Democratic election process. Mission accomplished in that Russia didn't actually collude with anyone to influence the election, they just made it appear that way and the left has gone totally rabid, buying it hook, line and sinker. Don't worry though, I don't expect you to understand. It is obviously over your head.

So... your claim is that throughout the campaign and during the transition Trump and his clown car of keystone cops were enticed to meet with Russian officials. In the meantime, Hillary, Obama, and George Soros are in their evil secret lair, wicked smiles on their faces, rubbing their hands together and saying in unison, "Excellent! Our dastardly plan is working!".

That was sarcasm. I'm pointing that out because I'm sure, otherwise it would be over your head.

Now, regarding your claim that no collusion occurred - I don't claim to know whether or not that's true but neither do you! It's up to Mueller and his team to sort out this chaos. Chaos, by the way that the Trump circus created by their constant and continued lying about their Russian contacts. Whether or not their contact was criminal is yet to be determined. It can't be denied, however that their behavior has been both sleazy and idiotic.

You have a nice day, now!
 
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If you were Kushner's attorney and you knew the emails existed and that the New York Times was working on this story, then placing the focus onto Jr. seems like a very smart move to make since people have indeed been focusing on Jr. to the near perfect exclusion of Kushner. Yes, of course, that spotlight will soon move to Kushner and people who are not complete ****ing idiots will have some very serious questions for him. But in the short term, which is often all that matters, the national narrative outside of Fox Country is only talking about Jr.

That still does not make sense trying to protect oneself by incriminating oneself, vs an fbi who has access to the email chain and has also been known for doing this since the obama administration, starting with hillary with obama griping that the fbi was leaking to try and control public opinion before any criminal investigation is complete, now with the same happening to trump, and all signs pointing back to the fbi.
 
That still does not make sense trying to protect oneself by incriminating oneself, vs an fbi who has access to the email chain and has also been known for doing this since the obama administration, starting with hillary with obama griping that the fbi was leaking to try and control public opinion before any criminal investigation is complete, now with the same happening to trump, and all signs pointing back to the fbi.

Or one of Kushners lawyers. Perhaps Kushner wanted to release the information before it gets discovered by mueller.
 
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