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How much do you trust the Trump admin concerning healthcare?

Do you trust the Trump admin to accurately grade the new healthcare bill?

  • 100% trust the Trump administration

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • somewhat trust the Trump administration

    Votes: 2 4.8%

  • somewhat distrust the Trump administration

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 100% distrust the Trump administration

    Votes: 39 92.9%
  • Total voters
    42
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Rather than have the Congressional Budget Office score the newest version of Trumpcare with Cruz's amendment added to it, the Health and Human Services Department (headed by Tom Price, appointed by Trump) and the White House Office of Management and Budget will be scoring it instead.

How much do you trust the Trump administration to accurately assess the newest version of the healthcare bill?

Senate Republicans may not use the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) to score a version of Sen. Ted Cruz’s (R-Tex.) controversial amendment that was included in the updated Senate healthcare bill.

Instead, a member of Senate GOP leadership said analysis from the Trump administration — including the Health and Human Services Department and the White House Office of Management and Budget — might be used instead of the non-partisan CBO.


That could provide a much more favorable analysis for the bill. The CBO found that the House bill repealing and replacing ObamaCare would lead to 23 million people being uninsured over a decade. Analysis from HHS found the number to be 13 million.
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Senate GOP may not use CBO to score Cruz amendment | TheHill
 
Cardinal said:
Rather than have the Congressional Budget Office score the newest version of Trumpcare with Cruz's amendment added to it, the Health and Human Services Department (headed by Tom Price, appointed by Trump) and the White House Office of Management and Budget will be scoring it instead.

How much do you trust the Trump administration to accurately assess the newest version of the healthcare bill?



Senate GOP may not use CBO to score Cruz amendment | TheHill
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I think the fact they aren't willing to let the CBO score it says all we need to know about whether we should trust their analysis.
 
I trust Trump and his administration (swamp) not one iota. They lie 24/7 and care only for the wealthy 1%.
 
We all know all the lies that were told to get the democrats to vote for this. (Obamacare)

Learning From CBO's History Of Incorrect ObamaCare Projections

We now know that many of CBO’s projections of important aspects of the ACA have significantly differed from actual outcomes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2017/01/02/learning-from-cbos-history-of-incorrect-obamacare-projections/#8aee0d046a7f

They can largely be grouped into two categories. First, CBO projected that the exchanges would be stable by now with more than twice as many enrollees as they currently have, rather than suffering from severe adverse selection in most states as they now are. Second, CBO projected that the ACA Medicaid expansion would be much smaller and less expensive than it has turned out to be.
 
Cardinal said:
Rather than have the Congressional Budget Office score the newest version of Trumpcare with Cruz's amendment added to it, the Health and Human Services Department (headed by Tom Price, appointed by Trump) and the White House Office of Management and Budget will be scoring it instead.

How much do you trust the Trump administration to accurately assess the newest version of the healthcare bill?



Senate GOP may not use CBO to score Cruz amendment | TheHill
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This bill is filled up with so much pork, I don't see how it's going to be any better than Obamacare.
 
Where's the option that I don't trust ANY government to "self-evaluate" any policy in an unbiased way? ;)
 
"Instead, a member of Senate GOP leadership said analysis from the Trump administration — including the Health and Human Services Department and the White House Office of Management and Budget — might be used instead of the non-partisan CBO."


awe, how sweet ............

that means all of the uneducated trailer trash that believes America's universities are ruining America can jump up & down, and scream 'Make America Great Again' :lol:
 
Any forecast produced by the CBO that purports to predict how many people will make a certain choice is destined to fail.
Their Obamacare prediction was off by half. You just can't expect it to be accurate.
It's not non-partisan if it assumes certain value choices that don't occur IRL.
It's like predicting warming through CO2 alone without accounting for natural cycles.
 
Cardinal said:
Rather than have the Congressional Budget Office score the newest version of Trumpcare with Cruz's amendment added to it, the Health and Human Services Department (headed by Tom Price, appointed by Trump) and the White House Office of Management and Budget will be scoring it instead.

How much do you trust the Trump administration to accurately assess the newest version of the healthcare bill?



Senate GOP may not use CBO to score Cruz amendment | TheHill
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I feel pretty comfortable to trust Trump...

To lie.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
We all know all the lies that were told to get the democrats to vote for this. (Obamacare)

Learning From CBO's History Of Incorrect ObamaCare Projections

We now know that many of CBO’s projections of important aspects of the ACA have significantly differed from actual outcomes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2017/01/02/learning-from-cbos-history-of-incorrect-obamacare-projections/#8aee0d046a7f

They can largely be grouped into two categories. First, CBO projected that the exchanges would be stable by now with more than twice as many enrollees as they currently have, rather than suffering from severe adverse selection in most states as they now are. Second, CBO projected that the ACA Medicaid expansion would be much smaller and less expensive than it has turned out to be.
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I doubt the CBO anticipated the GOP interference and obstructionism of the ACA.
 
Cardinal said:
Rather than have the Congressional Budget Office score the newest version of Trumpcare with Cruz's amendment added to it, the Health and Human Services Department (headed by Tom Price, appointed by Trump) and the White House Office of Management and Budget will be scoring it instead.

How much do you trust the Trump administration to accurately assess the newest version of the healthcare bill?



Senate GOP may not use CBO to score Cruz amendment | TheHill
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The CBO can not be trusted to not lie, and even their best work is not very good. The Elite no longer control or track this economy, any "score" such as this is only a guess, and we have gotten to the point that the guesses are so biased that the product increasingly is fantasy.
 
bubbabgone said:
Any forecast produced by the CBO that purports to predict how many people will make a certain choice is destined to fail.
Their Obamacare prediction was off by half. You just can't expect it to be accurate.
It's not non-partisan if it assumes certain value choices that don't occur IRL.
It's like predicting warming through CO2 alone without accounting for natural cycles.
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Good point......the assumptions that the elite bake into their products increasingly are not the result of reason or a good faith effort to get it right.

The ends justify the means, to the point of being willing to destroy even science, even the language.

We really do suck that bad now.

WE USED TO BE BETTER
 
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100% distrust the Trump administration


Then again I 100% distrust any current politician in Washington when it comes to our healthcare. I've not once heard any of them suggest the solutions that I feel are needed.
 
Moot said:
I doubt the CBO anticipated the GOP interference and obstructionism of the ACA.
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The GOP forced all those people to pay a penalty rather than obey the Government masters? That's why the CBO was off by 13 million Obamacare enrollees?
 
Common Sense 1 said:
We all know all the lies that were told to get the democrats to vote for this. (Obamacare)

Learning From CBO's History Of Incorrect ObamaCare Projections

We now know that many of CBO’s projections of important aspects of the ACA have significantly differed from actual outcomes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2017/01/02/learning-from-cbos-history-of-incorrect-obamacare-projections/#8aee0d046a7f

They can largely be grouped into two categories. First, CBO projected that the exchanges would be stable by now with more than twice as many enrollees as they currently have, rather than suffering from severe adverse selection in most states as they now are. Second, CBO projected that the ACA Medicaid expansion would be much smaller and less expensive than it has turned out to be.
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Pure propaganda.

The CBO scored the bill as it stood 7 years ago, before the GOP states, GOP Congress, and Supreme Court cut it up.

You can't take a CBO score from 7 years ago, subsequently modify the bill's implementation, and legitimately claim the old scoring indicates inaccuracy!
 
If the GOP does not get this right and save national health care in those opioid high UE poverty red countiees in coal country and the upper Midwest, those people who had no sense that anyone cared about them in DC and voted overwhelmingly for Trump, they will not vote next year or in 2020.
 
bubbabgone said:
The GOP forced all those people to pay a penalty rather than obey the Government masters? That's why the CBO was off by 13 million Obamacare enrollees?
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Actually many decided to pay the penalty because it was cheaper than a policy. This was a temporary thing because the penalty was set to rise. The only way to really reduce costs for all is for all to participate. Young people gaming the system is the reason for the lower than anticipated enrollment totals. A plan with nothing but old and sick people is going to be expensive.
 
iguanaman said:
Actually many decided to pay the penalty because it was cheaper than a policy. This was a temporary thing because the penalty was set to rise. The only way to really reduce costs for all is for all to participate. Young people gaming the system is the reason for the lower than anticipated enrollment totals. A plan with nothing but old and sick people is going to be expensive.
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Very expensive. The young people must participate for older and sicker individuals to get adequate health care.
 
iguanaman said:
Actually many decided to pay the penalty because it was cheaper than a policy. This was a temporary thing because the penalty was set to rise. The only way to really reduce costs for all is for all to participate. Young people gaming the system is the reason for the lower than anticipated enrollment totals. A plan with nothing but old and sick people is going to be expensive.
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No argument from me. But the CBO missed that bon mot.
Regardless, a Government mandate of behavior like healthcare choice is abhorrent ... here, ostensibly for cost controls but really for any other reason.
It's really another way to achieve redistribution and establish another entitlement.
 
Cardinal said:
Rather than have the Congressional Budget Office score the newest version of Trumpcare with Cruz's amendment added to it, the Health and Human Services Department (headed by Tom Price, appointed by Trump) and the White House Office of Management and Budget will be scoring it instead.

How much do you trust the Trump administration to accurately assess the newest version of the healthcare bill?



Senate GOP may not use CBO to score Cruz amendment | TheHill
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That's odd I had heard a clip of McConnel saying they were waiting for a CBO score. did they change their mind?
 
Cardinal said:
Rather than have the Congressional Budget Office score the newest version of Trumpcare with Cruz's amendment added to it, the Health and Human Services Department (headed by Tom Price, appointed by Trump) and the White House Office of Management and Budget will be scoring it instead.

How much do you trust the Trump administration to accurately assess the newest version of the healthcare bill?



Senate GOP may not use CBO to score Cruz amendment | TheHill
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We are completely screwed now. Sh!t.
 
This is one area of legitimate concern everyone should have regardless of whom they support. Obamacare was designed specifically to be impossible to repeal without a complete and total collapse of the system. I don't believe there is the political will on either side of the aisle to fix the problems that are very real in that legislation. If you cut A then you're a heartless SOB who wants to kill Americans. If you cut B than there is no incentive, no coercive action that would make the insurance, pharmaceutical companies, and health care providers scale back on their margins.

It would never happen but clearly a non partisan committee or organization needs to be formed independent of but accountable to Congress that creates and implements HC policy.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The CBO can not be trusted to not lie, and even their best work is not very good. The Elite no longer control or track this economy, any "score" such as this is only a guess, and we have gotten to the point that the guesses are so biased that the product increasingly is fantasy.
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Of course you have proof for all of these assertions, right? Show us.
 
bubbabgone said:
No argument from me. But the CBO missed that bon mot.
Regardless, a Government mandate of behavior like healthcare choice is abhorrent ... here, ostensibly for cost controls but really for any other reason.
It's really another way to achieve redistribution and establish another entitlement.
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LOL It is amusing to hear conservatives whine and complain when we want everyone to pay their own way and be responsible. Can't you see how funny that is? The mandate is needed to eliminate pre-existing conditions otherwise you have people that wait until they are sick to get a policy. Why you find it "abhorrent" when the reality is that all of us might need HC at any time is something between you and your shrink. Allowing gaming the system is not the way to get affordable HC for all. And since we already have a mandate to treat everyone it is logical that we have the same mandate to require everyone to carry health insurance.
 
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Exactly the same as I trusted Obama. Zero.
 
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