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How much do you trust the Trump admin concerning healthcare?

Do you trust the Trump admin to accurately grade the new healthcare bill?

  • 100% trust the Trump administration

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • somewhat trust the Trump administration

    Votes: 2 4.8%

  • somewhat distrust the Trump administration

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 100% distrust the Trump administration

    Votes: 39 92.9%
  • Total voters
    42
iguanaman said:
LOL It is amusing to hear conservatives whine and complain when we want everyone to pay their own way and be responsible. Can't you see how funny that is? The mandate is needed to eliminate pre-existing conditions otherwise you have people that wait until they are sick to get a policy. Why you find it "abhorrent" when the reality is that all of us might need HC at any time is something between you and your shrink. Allowing gaming the system is not the way to get affordable HC for all. And since we already have a mandate to treat everyone it is logical that we have the same mandate to require everyone to carry health insurance.
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The opposite is true.
 
SMTA said:
Of course you have proof for all of these assertions, right? Show us.
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I think he is merely making an argument that we should just accept the fantasy he lives in as fact.

He didn't actually promote his own fantasy so much as just point out that it's all just fantasy.

So the logical conclusion is, "Why not go with the prettiest fantasy?"—the one coming out of the holes of the White House et al.
 
humbolt said:
At 67, I can't fully express my gratitude for prenatal and maternity coverage. Where would I be without it?
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Inorite?

Why do we have to spend money on all of these highways about the country?

I only use a handful of the ones around here anyway.
So what good is it to me that the rest of the country can go on functioning normally?
What's in that for me?

And what about educating other people's children?
Same **** there too.

Seriously think about that though?
What good does it do us to help our countrymen?

Do you think that makes our country stronger somehow?
 
1/19 at this count.

Are Trump supporters avoiding these polls, or are we all once again approaching the realm of sensibility?







I like the idea of shaking up D.C., but holy crap you picked the last guy on Earth to do it. (Nevermind that it would have to be a sustained effort over a couple decades to actually do something); Americans will look at their iphones roughly 900,000,000,000,000,000 times in that timeframe.
 
humbolt said:
At 67, I can't fully express my gratitude for prenatal and maternity coverage. Where would I be without it?
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Selfish bastard.
If you want people to pay their own way you have to pay their way.
I've learned that on this very thread mere posts ago.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Inorite?

Why do we have to spend money on all of these highways about the country?

I only use a handful of the ones around here anyway.
So what good is it to me that the rest of the country can go on functioning normally?
What's in that for me?

And what about educating other people's children?
Same **** there too.

Seriously think about that though?
What good does it do us to help our countrymen?

Do you think that makes our country stronger somehow?
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Well, at my age I'm probably not a good example. Consider that as it's currently structured, the young are expected - forced - to maintain health care coverage for things they very likely will not experience with coverage they really can't afford. Do you think that makes the country stronger? I seriously doubt it. I believe the notion that we're going to provide health care for all is accepted. The diktat that we don't have a choice in the amount of health insurance we are required to maintain doesn't solve that problem. It just kicks the can down the road a ways.
 
bubbabgone said:
The opposite is true.
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It has occurred to me that the reason for conservatives sudden reversal when it comes to the health insurance mandate (which was a Republican idea) could be because a disproportionate number of them are gaming the system themselves to save a buck. Rolling the dice because they can. Above all else conservatives are a stingy group in my experience.. That's not your reason is it?
 
bubbabgone said:
Selfish bastard.
If you want people to pay their own way you have to pay their way.
I've learned that on this very thread mere posts ago.
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Makes perfect sense. I don't know why you're so obstinant.

I have noticed and noted here on DP that mortality rates have gone up under the ACA, and that is after boomers like me and other mitigating factors have been statistically eliminated. The conclusion would seem to be that in spite of the comprehensive coverage provided, it hasn't translated into the primary result touted.
 
humbolt said:
Makes perfect sense. I don't know why you're so obstinant.

I have noticed and noted here on DP that mortality rates have gone up under the ACA, and that is after boomers like me and other mitigating factors have been statistically eliminated. The conclusion would seem to be that in spite of the comprehensive coverage provided, it hasn't translated into the primary result touted.
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Maybe so but at least we all chipped in and, after all, such mandates lead to moksha. Can't you feel it?
 
bubbabgone said:
Maybe so but at least we all chipped in and, after all, such mandates lead to moksha. Can't you feel it?
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That's what it is? Next thing you know I'm going to release my chakra and all hell's going to break loose.

I'm relatively certain that Kroger, given their superstores these days, will be selling Kia's in bubble packs before long. I'm hoping health insurance will be offered in a similar fashion soon.
 
humbolt said:
That's what it is? Next thing you know I'm going to release my chakra and all hell's going to break loose.

I'm relatively certain that Kroger, given their superstores these days, will be selling Kia's in bubble packs before long. I'm hoping health insurance will be offered in a similar fashion soon.
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Man you are gonna have some boffo posts when you open your chakras.
You have to copy me on them but if I was you I'd get my infracs to zero first and maybe plan for only a 2 day chakra period.
 
bubbabgone said:
Man you are gonna have some boffo posts when you open your chakras.
You have to copy me on them but if I was you I'd get my infracs to zero first and maybe plan for only a 2 day chakra period.
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Yeah, I need a vacation, anyway. I did go to NYC for a few days recently just to remember why I don't go to big cities much. National Sawdust is a pretty cool venue though, so I was willing to endure the Holland Tunnel and stuff - but only for that kind of thing. And I still don't buy that notion that the reason garbage is piled everywhere is because they don't have alleys in NYC.
 
humbolt said:
Well, at my age I'm probably not a good example. Consider that as it's currently structured, the young are expected - forced - to maintain health care coverage for things they very likely will not experience with coverage they really can't afford. Do you think that makes the country stronger? I seriously doubt it. I believe the notion that we're going to provide health care for all is accepted. The diktat that we don't have a choice in the amount of health insurance we are required to maintain doesn't solve that problem. It just kicks the can down the road a ways.
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Why do East Coasters have to contribute monies which go to the Navy off the West Coast?
It's very likely that the people in NY will never need protection from NK.
People on the East Coast cannot afford to pay the taxes they pay to protect the West Coast.

Healthy, well-protected countrymen are worthless to a country, yes?
 
Mr Person said:
Are Trump supporters avoiding these polls, or are we all once again approaching the realm of sensibility?
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We're no more sensible than we ever were.
The lot of us are goobers...especially the one who try to deny it—they're the worst of the lot.

I expect that the Trump base is huddling closer and closer together, telling soothing stories about how Donald is going to whup them Libs once Donald and the GOP finally get control of the govt from the nasty Deep State types who are thwarting the combined Legislative and Executive branches.

The more elaborate the conspiracy, the more desperate the believer.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Why do East Coasters have to contribute monies which go to the Navy off the West Coast?
It's very likely that the people in NY will never need protection from NK.
People on the East Coast cannot afford to pay the taxes they pay to protect the West Coast.

Healthy, well-protected countrymen are worthless to a country, yes?
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Defense is a collective effort out of necessity. Health insurance need not be.
 
humbolt said:
Defense is a collective effort out of necessity. Health insurance need not be.
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Yes.
I forget.
Citizens are expendable resources which are of little value to a nation.
The general welfare of the populace is not important to a nation.
If it were, then surely there'd be a mention of it somewhere in the documents Founding Fathers' left us, yes?

But, can you imagine if there were some mention of it?
Can you imagine if the welfare of a nation's populace did matter?

What then?
Wouldn't that be some crazy ****?
The electorate might try to use its resources collectively and synergistically to improve its lot.
There's no good to come from a populace who gets all uppity like that.

</sarcasm>
 
humbolt said:
At 67, I can't fully express my gratitude for prenatal and maternity coverage. Where would I be without it?
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An enlarged prostate waiting to happen? And one that I'm more than willing to subsidize.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Yes.
I forget.
Citizens are expendable resources which are of little value to a nation.
The general welfare of the populace is not important to a nation.
If it were, then surely there'd be a mention of it somewhere in the documents Founding Fathers' left us, yes?

But, can you imagine if there were some mention of it?
Can you imagine if the welfare of a nation's populace did matter?

What then?
Wouldn't that be some crazy ****?
The electorate might try to use its resources collectively and synergistically to improve its lot.
There's no good to come from a populace who gets all uppity like that.

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You're conflating health insurance and health care. We all want health care when we need it. We do not all need a proscribed health insurance policy which covers events we'll likely never face. Health insurance is a collective effort within a defined group. If you expand the group to include everybody, then you must include coverage and the associated costs for every likely condition. That is not a reasonable approach to health insurance. Providing health care for the chronically ill has nothing to do with health insurance. That has to do with human compassion. Those people don't need insurance. That horse has already left the barn. They simply need health care.
 
Parrish said:
An enlarged prostate waiting to happen? And one that I'm more than willing to subsidize.
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My prostate is fine. I do appreciate your offer though. Old age is not a surprise, so it's something that can be planned for. Interestingly, I used far, far more of the health care system when I was younger. Rebuilt knee, bullet wound, broken arm, numerous stitches on various wounds - stuff like that from professional endeavors. I try not to be quite that physical these days. Anyway, I'd prefer that you not need to subsidize me, and if you're completely honest with yourself, you'd prefer to not have to, either.
 
Cardinal said:
Rather than have the Congressional Budget Office score the newest version of Trumpcare with Cruz's amendment added to it, the Health and Human Services Department (headed by Tom Price, appointed by Trump) and the White House Office of Management and Budget will be scoring it instead.

How much do you trust the Trump administration to accurately assess the newest version of the healthcare bill?



Senate GOP may not use CBO to score Cruz amendment | TheHill
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How about...Don't care.

You see, it doesn't matter. The Senate bill...even if it passes the Senate, which is more likely to NOT happen...won't be passed by the House. I don't expect ANY legislation to reach Trump's desk any time soon. The GOP Elites in Congress just don't want to do it.
 
humbolt said:
My prostate is fine. I do appreciate your offer though. Old age is not a surprise, so it's something that can be planned for. Interestingly, I used far, far more of the health care system when I was younger. Rebuilt knee, bullet wound, broken arm, numerous stitches on various wounds - stuff like that from professional endeavors. I try not to be quite that physical these days. Anyway, I'd prefer that you not need to subsidize me, and if you're completely honest with yourself, you'd prefer to not have to, either.
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I was honest. Wishing good health to you and others who will eventually need to seek medical care.
 
Mycroft said:
How about...Don't care.

You see, it doesn't matter. The Senate bill...even if it passes the Senate, which is more likely to NOT happen...won't be passed by the House. I don't expect ANY legislation to reach Trump's desk any time soon. The GOP Elites in Congress just don't want to do it.
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The thread is about whether you trust the White House to accurately assess the impact of the latest healthcare bill, not whether the legislation will pass.
 
Cardinal said:
The thread is about whether you trust the White House to accurately assess the impact of the latest healthcare bill, not whether the legislation will pass.
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As I said...I don't care WHO scores the bill. It doesn't matter and I gave the reason why.

But hey...if you want to waste time talking about something that won't matter, don't let me stop you. Just stop whining at me when I speak MY mind about it.
 
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