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Is "Russian" Interference in the 2016 election a serious issue?

Is "Russia" Interference in the 2016 election a serious issue?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 69.4%

  • Nyet

    Votes: 26 30.6%
  • Total voters
    85
  • Poll closed .
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Is "Russian" Interference in the 2016 election a serious issue?

Yes?
No?
 
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zimmer said:
Is "Russian" Interference in the 2016 election a serious issue?Yes?No?
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Koch Brothers, Sheldon Adelson, AIPAC, and assorted billionaires paying their rent to USA politicians and you're worried about Russian interference. Get Real. Citizens United reveals where the true enemy of Citizen taxpayers lies and it's not in Russia./
 
Kal'Stang said:
Depends on what interference you're talking about. :shrug:
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Well... obviously you believe there is intereference...

Was it a "serious issue" as the thread asks. It does not pinpoint any... it asks a general question... you must answer yes or no, or not answer at all.

Thanks for participating.

PS. I did not set the poll up to identify voters... but if you would like... please do so at the top of your responses.

Cheers,
Zim
 
zimmer said:
Is "Russian" Interference in the 2016 election a serious issue?

Yes?
No?
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The assessment spoke to an attempt to influence (as in the people), not interference, so I cannot answer your poll as there was no interference.
 
It will never be an Issue until it impacts a Republican.
 
Cigar said:
It will never be an Issue until it impacts a Republican.
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I was just thinking this, "It sure would have been an issue if Hillary had won."
 
DaveFagan said:
Koch Brothers, Sheldon Adelson, AIPAC, and assorted billionaires paying their rent to USA politicians and you're worried about Russian interference. Get Real. Citizens United reveals where the true enemy of Citizen taxpayers lies and it's not in Russia./
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You forgot the Big Daddy of them all.....................Soros.
 
There are multiple facets to this question.
Did their 'interference' affect the result of the election? Possibly.
Did their 'interference' directly alter the election results? No, I don't believe so.
Did their 'interference' damage the image of the Democratic party? Possibly.
Was it serious enough to prompt any serious official investigation prior to the election? No, it appears not. Only after the Democratic candidate lost did it become a major issue.

So in sum, it appears that it wasn't a serious issue, until the outcome was certain and undesired by those who are now making it a serious issue. But they did not actually 'tamper' with the election in the first place, they leaked/disseminated information that cast a political party in a poor light. That would be akin to, I don't know, a bunch of people coming out of the woodwork to hurl allegations of misconduct at a candidate, having kept silent about the behavior for years until they felt they could use it to influence the course of world events.
 
Cigar said:
How long should we wait for your Link, or are you just full of Bull ****? :lamo
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You don't think he's been funding the opposition?
 
The issue is complex, and needs more than a yes or no answer, so I cannot really vote. But here's how I see it:

1. As another poster has already mentioned, the wealthy elite interfere in our elections more than the Russians apparently have done, and that is by far the more serious problem. Both parties serve an elite few, rather than the people they are elected to serve.

2. That the Russians attempted to interfere in our election is very serious, whether or not they actually succeeded in interfering. We don't know yet what they managed to accomplish, but we know they tried it. Why we haven't told Putin we will consider that an act of war if it happens again, ad slapped them with the mother-of-all-sanctions, is beyond me.
 
tomkat364 said:
There are multiple facets to this question.
Did their 'interference' affect the result of the election? Possibly.
Did their 'interference' directly alter the election results? No, I don't believe so.
Did their 'interference' damage the image of the Democratic party? Possibly.
Was it serious enough to prompt any serious official investigation prior to the election? No, it appears not. Only after the Democratic candidate lost did it become a major issue.

So in sum, it appears that it wasn't a serious issue, until the outcome was certain and undesired by those who are now making it a serious issue. But they did not actually 'tamper' with the election in the first place, they leaked/disseminated information that cast a political party in a poor light. That would be akin to, I don't know, a bunch of people coming out of the woodwork to hurl allegations of misconduct at a candidate, having kept silent about the behavior for years until they felt they could use it to influence the course of world events.
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The FBI wanted to do a forensic investigation on state Voting machines to see if there is any evidence of hacking. I bet you can't guess which states said no! :mrgreen:
 
Excon said:
The assessment spoke to an attempt to influence (as in the people), not interference, so I cannot answer your poll as there was no interference.
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I've conflated "interference" with "influence".

For Russians to influence is to interfere, wouldn't you agree?
 
Cigar said:
The FBI wanted to do a forensic investigation on state Voting machines to see if there is any evidence of hacking. I bet you can't guess which states said no! :mrgreen:
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I'm guessing NOT the states that refused to turn over their registration information for the voter fraud investigation. So on one hand, allegations of Russian tampering (foreign influence), and I assume you are saying Republican states refused to cooperate with that investigation. On the other hand, allegations of illegal immigrants (also considered non-citizens and foreign in origin)voting inappropriately, and the Democratic states refused to cooperate.

You were saying?
 
ashurbanipal said:
The issue is complex, and needs more than a yes or no answer, so I cannot really vote. But here's how I see it:

1. As another poster has already mentioned, the wealthy elite interfere in our elections more than the Russians apparently have done, and that is by far the more serious problem. Both parties serve an elite few, rather than the people they are elected to serve.

2. That the Russians attempted to interfere in our election is very serious, whether or not they actually succeeded in interfering. We don't know yet what they managed to accomplish, but we know they tried it. Why we haven't told Putin we will consider that an act of war if it happens again, ad slapped them with the mother-of-all-sanctions, is beyond me.
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The issue is simple.

Is Russian interference in the 2016 election a serious issue? It is a Yes or No answer. It is, or it is not.
 
tomkat364 said:
There are multiple facets to this question.
Did their 'interference' affect the result of the election? Possibly.
Did their 'interference' directly alter the election results? No, I don't believe so.
Did their 'interference' damage the image of the Democratic party? Possibly.
Was it serious enough to prompt any serious official investigation prior to the election? No, it appears not. Only after the Democratic candidate lost did it become a major issue.

So in sum, it appears that it wasn't a serious issue, until the outcome was certain and undesired by those who are now making it a serious issue. But they did not actually 'tamper' with the election in the first place, they leaked/disseminated information that cast a political party in a poor light. That would be akin to, I don't know, a bunch of people coming out of the woodwork to hurl allegations of misconduct at a candidate, having kept silent about the behavior for years until they felt they could use it to influence the course of world events.
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There might be all manner of surrounding questions, but there is a simple one:

Is "Russian" interference in the 2016 election a serious issue?

It is, or it is not.

The rest is blather for another thread.
 
If Russia actually "hacked our election," that would mean they got into our voting machines and changed votes. That is definitely a massive serious problem.

If Russia hacked into campaign computers to get information about them and gave it to the opposing campaign, then that is definitely a very serious problem.
 
calamity said:
I was just thinking this, "It sure would have been an issue if Hillary had won."
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Is it, or is it not a serious issue?

Yes?
No?
 
zimmer said:
The issue is simple.

Is Russian interference in the 2016 election a serious issue? It is a Yes or No answer. It is, or it is not.
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No, it's not that simple because we don't exactly know what "Russian interference" is or was. Once all of the evidence comes out about Russia and the election, THEN people can make a judgement call on what happened.
 
Josie said:
If Russia actually "hacked our election," that would mean they got into our voting machines and changed votes. That is definitely a massive serious problem.

If Russia hacked into campaign computers to get information about them and gave it to the opposing campaign, then that is definitely a very serious problem.
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Is Russia intereference in the 2016 election a serious issue? It is that simple. It is, or it is not.

Yes?
No?
 
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