Would you support CNN revealing the Trump v. CNN gif-maker's real name?

The full story, if you're unaware:

CNN criticized for threatening to reveal Reddit user's identity - Business Insider

And at the end....

"CNN is not publishing 'HanA**holeSolo's' name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again," CNN said in its story. "In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same."
"CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change," the article continued, suggesting a conditional agreement to protect the user's identity

So if this person posted another "offending" post toward CNN, would you support CNN publishing this private citizen's full name? Why or why not?

Josie said:

The full story, if you're unaware:

CNN criticized for threatening to reveal Reddit user's identity - Business Insider

And at the end....

"CNN is not publishing 'HanA**holeSolo's' name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again," CNN said in its story. "In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same."
"CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change," the article continued, suggesting a conditional agreement to protect the user's identity

So if this person posted another "offending" post toward CNN, would you support CNN publishing this private citizen's full name? Why or why not?

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Hell no.

Josie said:

The full story, if you're unaware:

CNN criticized for threatening to reveal Reddit user's identity - Business Insider

And at the end....

"CNN is not publishing 'HanA**holeSolo's' name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again," CNN said in its story. "In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same."
"CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change," the article continued, suggesting a conditional agreement to protect the user's identity

So if this person posted another "offending" post toward CNN, would you support CNN publishing this private citizen's full name? Why or why not?

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I don't think they should.

The only reason this is news is because President Trump found the clip online and used it.

Otherwise it would have had no impact whatsoever.

The fact that they labeled the creator a racist bigot; and literally demanded a retraction, an apology, and a promise to never post anti-CNN media again on pain of being "doxed" shows this is bullying in the extreme.

To subsequently post his name would make him, a private citizen, a target of the Progressive-Left members of the public.

Dick move by CNN. Doxxing is never OK, and that CNN is threatening someone with it because he hurt their feelings is something I'd expect from Trump, not a supposedly professional news organisation.

If they would have just done it, that would be one thing, and I'm not so sure I'd have a serious problem with it.

But they extorted behavior out of him instead. That is morally reprehensible.

Let's take a look at the whole story: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...the-story-taking-hold/?utm_term=.86a5822958b6

Twitter flames being fanned by such upstanding citizens as Mike Cernovich, KimDotcom, Julian Assange, Mark Dice and oh! Donald Trump Jr!

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Others called for a very personal form of revenge against CNN, and Kaczynski specifically. A link to a pastebin page that appeared to contain the personal identifying information of Kaczynski, some of his family members and his colleagues circulated on 4chan Wednesday morning. And the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer website called for even more. A popular post called for CNN employees to quit their jobs and denounce the network, or face consequences if they didn’t:

“We are going to track down your parents.
We are going to track down your siblings.
We are going to track down your spouses.
We are going to track down your children. Because hey, that’s what you guys get to do, right? We’re going to see how you like it when our reporters are hunting down your children.”

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DiAnna said:

Let's take a look at the whole story: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...the-story-taking-hold/?utm_term=.86a5822958b6

Twitter flames being fanned by such upstanding citizens as Mike Cernovich, KimDotcom, Julian Assange, Mark Dice and oh! Donald Trump Jr!

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Yes, we know there are idiots on Twitter who are saying things idiots say. This poll, however, is about CNN's actions.

Captain Adverse said:

I don't think they should.

The only reason this is news is because President Trump found the clip online and used it.

Otherwise it would have had no impact whatsoever.

The fact that they labeled the creator a racist bigot; and literally demanded a retraction, an apology, and a promise to never post anti-CNN media again on pain of being "doxed" shows this is bullying in the extreme.

To subsequently post his name would make him, a private citizen, a target of the Progressive-Left members of the public.

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No. Not even remotely the case.

The real reason this is news is because Trump decided to retweet this w/out any attempt, whatsoever, to find out where it came from, and the source happened to be a rabidly anti-semitic racist nutjob.

His retweeting of it shows an endorsement.

IOW, he essentially endorsed lunacy.

And you're OK with that.

Josie said:

The full story, if you're unaware:

CNN criticized for threatening to reveal Reddit user's identity - Business Insider

And at the end....

"CNN is not publishing 'HanA**holeSolo's' name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again," CNN said in its story. "In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same."
"CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change," the article continued, suggesting a conditional agreement to protect the user's identity

So if this person posted another "offending" post toward CNN, would you support CNN publishing this private citizen's full name? Why or why not?

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I'm not sure I care either way. News stations routinely "out" members of the community for things the person wishes the public wouldn't know. Think of the times when someone does something illegal, especially kill someone, and the press camps out at friends or relatives houses trying to get a scoop. These things happen all the time, I'm not exactly sure why this one poster on Reddit should be more protected than anyone else.

I don't think CNN should do it for punitive reasons, but at the end of the day, it is a news story and I don't think this poster should be granted privileges any other person wouldn't get. I think the biggest problem people have is what I'll address next:

spud_meister said:

Dick move by CNN. Doxxing is never OK, and that CNN is threatening someone with it because he hurt their feelings is something I'd expect from Trump, not a supposedly professional news organisation.

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When I read that, I didn't think CNN was threatening, but rather retaining the power to do something. These types of situations happen all the time. For example, let's say I'm teaching a class and I tell my students I don't plan on giving a quiz tomorrow, but tell them I reserve the right to still give them a quiz. That's not me threatening them to study, that's me telling them I made a decision, but my decision may change for whatever reason.

I certainly understand why people thought it was intended as a threat, and maybe the writer of that article did intend it as a threat, though I believe CNN has come out and said it wasn't. But when I read that, I don't see a threat, merely an organization retaining the right to change their mind if circumstances change. Because, let's face it...if this poster continued to harass others, including CNN, and this person continued to be news, if CNN were to have said, "we won't post his name" and suddenly this person is newsworthy again, then CNN posting his name would lead to accusations of lying/hypocrisy.

Again, I understand why some saw it as a threat, but I didn't.

Tanngrisnir said:

No. Not even remotely the case.

The real reason this is news is because Trump decided to retweet this w/out any attempt, whatsoever, to find out where it came from, and the source happened to be a rabidly anti-semitic racist nutjob.

His retweeting of it shows an endorsement.

IOW, he essentially endorsed lunacy.

And you're OK with that.

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Retweeting a dumb gif doesn't mean you agree and/or endorse everything that person stands for. That's just stupid.

Tanngrisnir said:

No. Not even remotely the case.

The real reason this is news is because Trump decided to retweet this w/out any attempt, whatsoever, to find out where it came from, and the source happened to be a rabidly anti-semitic racist nutjob.

His retweeting of it shows an endorsement.

IOW, he essentially endorsed lunacy.

And you're OK with that.

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And you keep arguing the narrative that Trump knew this person was a "racist, anti-Semitic, etc." and purposely posted that video because he agrees and supports such ideas.

As I mentioned elsewhere, most people including myself and other members of this forum cut and paste interesting videos, pictures, and memes we happen to run across to support a point, provide a reference, or for fun...without researching backgrounds of those who posted them.

That video was funny, and to the point. Nothing "evil" about it.

Slyfox696 said:

I'm not sure I care either way. News stations routinely "out" members of the community for things the person wishes the public wouldn't know. Think of the times when someone does something illegal, especially kill someone, and the press camps out at friends or relatives houses trying to get a scoop. These things happen all the time, I'm not exactly sure why this one poster on Reddit should be more protected than anyone else.

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He did nothing wrong creating that gif.

Josie said:

The full story, if you're unaware:

CNN criticized for threatening to reveal Reddit user's identity - Business Insider

And at the end....

"CNN is not publishing 'HanA**holeSolo's' name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again," CNN said in its story. "In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same."
"CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change," the article continued, suggesting a conditional agreement to protect the user's identity

So if this person posted another "offending" post toward CNN, would you support CNN publishing this private citizen's full name? Why or why not?

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Hell no!!

CNN went off the deep end over a damned Twitter post by "some dude". Twitter is chock full of "some dudes" and, like most other keyboard commandos, they treat online life like a game. The anonymity makes them both bold and stupid.

Here's the sweet, sweet irony of the whole thing...CNN has been raking in bank by bashing Trump for having thin skin but with this act they have exposed themselves as having equally, if not thinner, skin.

Those of you who are saying "yes", will you explain why?

Josie said:

Those of you who are saying "yes", will you explain why?

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Didn't you know? Simply "Trump, Racist, and Feelings!"

Josie said:

Retweeting a dumb gif doesn't mean you agree and/or endorse everything that person stands for. That's just stupid.

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It does if you're the POTUS.

Reality is scary, but not if you accept it.

Tanngrisnir said:

No. Not even remotely the case.

The real reason this is news is because Trump decided to retweet this w/out any attempt, whatsoever, to find out where it came from, and the source happened to be a rabidly anti-semitic racist nutjob.

His retweeting of it shows an endorsement.

IOW, he essentially endorsed lunacy.

And you're OK with that.

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Wrong. The reason CNN did this was because they wanted to punish someone who made a gif that made them look bad. They thought that Trump's "abuse" towards them justified their horrendous/bordering illegal behavior in which they would look like angels. There are plenty of things on the internet that one might consume or share with others. The tweet was most likely shared with Trump and he thought it was funny(it was) and he liked it and posted it. Simple as that. And actually, the user himself admitted that he didn't make the twitter video that added the audio. So in fact, the creator of what Trump posted was not the user that said all the racist things.

Nice try with your faux outrage though.

DiAnna said:

Twitter flames being fanned by such upstanding citizens as Mike Cernovich, KimDotcom, Julian Assange, Mark Dice and oh! Donald Trump Jr!

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All people who have more integrity than the editorial board at CNN. U DUN GOOFED trying to bring character into this to defend CNN.

Josie said:

The full story, if you're unaware:

CNN criticized for threatening to reveal Reddit user's identity - Business Insider

And at the end....

"CNN is not publishing 'HanA**holeSolo's' name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again," CNN said in its story. "In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same."
"CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change," the article continued, suggesting a conditional agreement to protect the user's identity

So if this person posted another "offending" post toward CNN, would you support CNN publishing this private citizen's full name? Why or why not?

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I'm of two minds.

This is clearly bullying blackmail. But anonymity has not made our public discourse better, it has enabled our worst impulses, and created groupthink communities where the ever-more-vile is celebrated, rather than shamed.


Dox Everyone at the same time. Let's have an airing.

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Captain Adverse said:

And you keep arguing the narrative that Trump knew this person was a "racist, anti-Semitic, etc." and purposely posted that video because he agrees and supports such ideas.

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No, I don't 'keep' doing that. I've only posted once here on that. The point is, since it seems to have escaped you, is that he SHOULD have know. With even 2 minutes worth of effort.

As I mentioned elsewhere, most people including myself and other members of this forum cut and paste interesting videos, pictures, and memes we happen to run across to support a point, provide a reference, or for fun...without researching backgrounds of those who posted them.

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Not the same thing as tweeting, as you ought to know.

That video was funny, and to the point. Nothing "evil" about it.

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I didn't say there was. Spare me the strawmen.

I'd also like to point out that CNN could have publicly released the name and chose not to. The entire brouhaha stems from a single sentence reserving the right to make the name public if the situation changed; in other words, preserving their legal options in pursuing the same person who had previously attacked them in one or more anti-semitic rants, which happens to be the same now-repentant person whose identity they have discovered.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...o-has-history-anti-semitism-islamophobia.html

The OP of this thread shows the photos of dozens of CNN employees with a Star of David emblazoned on their photos, and an anti-semitic rant about CNN and its employees underneath. Take a look at that, and see if you then believe that CNN was not within its rights to preserve legal options to protect their own employees if this now-repentant individual is not so repentant in the future, or others follow in his footsteps to continue harassing and even threatening those employees.

How about butthurt and snowflake, alt-rightists? trump makes the job of every parent more difficult every time he puts his unprofessional and despicable behavior on display .

DiAnna said:

Let's take a look at the whole story: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...the-story-taking-hold/?utm_term=.86a5822958b6

Twitter flames being fanned by such upstanding citizens as Mike Cernovich, KimDotcom, Julian Assange, Mark Dice and oh! Donald Trump Jr!

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... Pointing out the characters on the other side doesn't really say anything about CNNs actions. Should I go see what Harry Reid or Hillary Clinton think, in order to prove that the racist redditer is somehow just?

The threat that CNN made would get them permabanned from this site. Why is that?

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DiAnna said:

I'd also like to point out that CNN could have publicly released the name and chose not to. The entire brouhaha stems from a single sentence reserving the right to make the name public if the situation changed; in other words, preserving their legal options in pursuing the same person who had previously attacked them in one or more anti-semitic rants.

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Revealing someone's private information is is often considered illegal. They weren't retaining any legal rights here...they were flat out threatening a 15 year old.

Captain Adverse said:

And you keep arguing the narrative that Trump knew this person was a "racist, anti-Semitic, etc." and purposely posted that video because he agrees and supports such ideas.

As I mentioned elsewhere, most people including myself and other members of this forum cut and paste interesting videos, pictures, and memes we happen to run across to support a point, provide a reference, or for fun...without researching backgrounds of those who posted them.

That video was funny, and to the point. Nothing "evil" about it.

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Didn't you know anyone that owns or likes the VW Beetle is obviously a Nazi and supports Hitler......