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"Is Patriotism a virtue?"

Is this a valid interpretation of patriotism

  • Yes (explain)

    Votes: 14 58.3%

  • No (explain)

    Votes: 4 16.7%

  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 6 25.0%
  • Total voters
    24
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Verax said:
Were the pilgrims on a work visa?
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Well, yeah, bruh. They, like, got those work visas, and ****, and they was all like, ****, man, I'ma stay, cuz, like, there's corn and ****.
 
Phys251 said:
Left unchecked, yes. That's part of the "natural law" that Thomas Hobbes described. That's why we need governments to protect targeted groups and individuals.



Gentrification is equivalent to genocide of Native Americans?? Wow, that escalated quickly.
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It has the same result without the diseases and violence......................... Displacement.
 
RetiredUSN said:
It has the same result without the diseases and violence......................... Displacement.
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Dude, genocide and rising housing costs induced by gentrification are not even in the same league. Not even close.
 
RetiredUSN said:
There were no laws then in regards to immigration and who was let in.
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OK. But now there are laws. So now, illegal immigrants are the scourge of America, responsible for all of our ills, etc etc etc, right?

That's the OP.
 
Phys251 said:
Dude, genocide and rising housing costs induced by gentrification are not even in the same league. Not even close.
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DUDE........................same ****ing thing without the violence and diseases as I already stated.

You liberals hate having darkie move in..................period!

Liberals are so full of **** when it comes to immigration, race, and actually walking the talk.
 
RetiredUSN said:
DUDE........................same ****ing thing without the violence and diseases as I already stated.

You liberals hate having darkie move in..................period!

Liberals are so full of **** when it comes to immigration, race, and actually walking the talk.
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Somewhere in your bizarre rants against gentrification lies a good point. I think.

Now if you could express that point in a more civil manner, you might find that, believe it or not, we just might have a little common ground on this issue.
 
Phys251 said:
Somewhere in your bizarre rants against gentrification lies a good point. I think.

Now if you could express that point in a more civil manner, you might find that, believe it or not, we just might have a little common ground on this issue.
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I promise to cut back on the sailor speak as you are certainly one of the many posters on here that I hold in respect, and maybe you could hold back on a few assumptions?
 
RetiredUSN said:
I promise to cut back on the sailor speak as you are certainly one of the many posters on here that I hold in respect, and maybe you could hold back on a few assumptions?
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OK, let's try.

The thing is, I do believe that gentrification does displace poorer residents, and rarely are they given a satisfactory place to go.

But almost never is this displacement a physically hazardous journey like it was, say, for the Trail of Tears. Neither are cops going in with weapons of war to drive them out. Instead, the buildings are condemned and built over once everyone is out.
 
RetiredUSN said:
American Indians didn't tolerate each other very well either..................long before the Euro's ever came here.
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And neither did the English who first colonized America. What's your point?
 
RetiredUSN said:
The point was already made earlier.............read the thread.
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Native Americans having conflict with each other does not make it OK for Europeans to take over their native land.
 
RetiredUSN said:
They fought each other to the death before the European.

Got anything else?
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So because native tribes had internal clashes that means what? There can't be such thing as illegal immigration from other countries? There is no rule of law? It's okay to take their land by force?

I'm curious, did Europeans ever fight each other to the death?
 
Phys251 said:
OK, let's try.

The thing is, I do believe that gentrification does displace poorer residents, and rarely are they given a satisfactory place to go.

But almost never is this displacement a physically hazardous journey like it was, say, for the Trail of Tears. Neither are cops going in with weapons of war to drive them out. Instead, the buildings are condemned and built over once everyone is out.
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Ehhh....

There are cities and towns that are zoning out low income people by the use of the police and crime statistics as we speak. Or, they are constantly haranguing low income folks about curb appearance like here at the beach where they assess fines to folks who can't keep up in hopes that the owner can't pay the fines. The city will continue assessing the fines until the owner breaks and gives up the property. Virginia Beach (where I live) has been taken to the supreme court for its gentrification & and eminent domain practices a few times. People today are still being moved by the gun if they don't follow the courts decisions. I worked with a very large real estate firm from 2010-1215 and saw first hand what was happening. I was the guy there with the deputy to evict and rekey. Some of these properties were turned over to very large developers with no bids to the public? They never made it over to the MLS by a property asset manager before they were snatched up. They were settled by the banks and local government by swaying asset managers.
 
Verax said:
So because native tribes had internal clashes that means what? There can't be such thing as illegal immigration from other countries? There is no rule of law? It's okay to take their land by force?

I'm curious, did Europeans ever fight each other to the death?
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How did the Europeans get to take over Europe?

Should we all cry?
 
RetiredUSN said:
How did the Europeans get to take over Europe?

Should we all cry?
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Just kind of bizarre that you think the law of white man is sacred but it's okay for whites to violate the same native laws because they'll murder you if you disagree, lol.
 
Verax said:
Just kind of bizarre that you think the law of white man is sacred but it's okay for whites to violate the same native laws because they'll murder you if you disagree, lol.
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Not a single piece of land in the New World was possessed by the original inhabitants when the first Europeans showed up, so I have a hard time getting upset about tribes which had done unto others as they were done unto getting kicked around by a bigger fish.
 
RetiredUSN said:
How did the Europeans get to take over Europe?

Should we all cry?
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Yes, we should.

It also kind of devalues our beloved property rights if all property can be taken by force without shedding a tear .
 
Tigerace117 said:
Not a single piece of land in the New World was possessed by the original inhabitants when the first Europeans showed up, so I have a hard time getting upset about tribes which had done unto others as they were done unto getting kicked around by a bigger fish.
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Is immigration more offensive than imperialism?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Not a single piece of land in the New World was possessed by the original inhabitants when the first Europeans showed up, so I have a hard time getting upset about tribes which had done unto others as they were done unto getting kicked around by a bigger fish.
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Actually, a fairly advanced society simply died between first and second contact of European diseases.

And you are applying a European standard of possession to groups who approached the matter differently.

They certainly had "territory" the claimed and defended from each other.

There wasn't anybody to hand out title, so that the recipients could extract rents.

Maybe that was a good thing.
 
Verax said:
Is immigration more offensive than imperialism?
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Immigration? So that's what we're calling one tribe throwing another off the land the second tribe resides on, and killing many of the second tribe's warriors in the process?
 
devildavid said:
Yes, we should.

It also kind of devalues our beloved property rights if all property can be taken by force without shedding a tear .
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These folks always cry "might makes right" until.somebody "mightier" comes along.

Then they just cry.
 
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