Is Donald Trump a good person?

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I've said it before, it's not Trump that worries me, it's his supporters. He's a blustering fool on his own. With his faithful, he's POTUS.

SheWolf said:

I thought about his kids too, and what came to my mind is how he talks about his own daughter. He even messes up in the "love your own kids" category.

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I "liked" your post but that doesn't mean I like the way he has spoken about his daughter. Incestuous feelings about one's daughter is pretty sick.

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radcen said:

According to this, I believe he hits every single characteristic: Characteristics of a Sociopath

Narcissism is included.

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At first, I read that list and thought Trump is not charming... but he actually can be charming at times. He can be charming especially when talking to his supporters and making big promises and sounding like a populist. I found the rest of the list to fit his behavior as well.

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He is not bad in the mass murder psycho bad.

He is cheated on his wife's ripped off contractors and customers kind of bad.

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SmokeAndMirrors said:

Ah, so it is. My typical experience being in a room with sociopaths, as I have a couple of times, is that they are usually a lot less sensitive and more socially adept. They genuinely don't care what you think of them, because their sense of self is so superior that you're not human in their eyes. To me, Donald is much more insecure and shows no ability to adapt to his surroundings, really. Remember how he went off at that white-tie and damn near got booed off stage? Although sometimes I wonder if that's his mind starting to age. He was more coherent when he was younger.

But of course, it may be a quibble over technicalities that none of us can know for sure.

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Narcissism is often rooted in deep seated insecurity. Trump is obviously insecure and tries to overcompensate by ego inflating. He practically has an eggshell ego and is in constant protection mode, which makes him appear like a chaotic, irrational, bully.

He has a lot of traits the reminds me of a woman I used to work for. She definitely lacked empathy for people, and could turn anybody's personal tragedy into being about herself. I came to think that she could very well be a sociopath, but I have never been around anybody actually diagnosed.

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Removable Mind said:

Trump has left a business chronology over the course of his pre-presidential life that wouldn't compare with someone like John Gotti. Howver, Trump's background is dark, filled with a lot of shady deals. IMO, Trump would fall somewhere in the mix people like Jack Abramoff, Kenneth Lay (Enron mastermind), Bernie Madoff, Bernard Ebber (World Com/MCI), with a tad of Charles Ponzi...."but not as clever as any of the aforementioned". Trump is more of an aspiring wannabe famous white collar bad boy...who gets away with his unethical business practices.

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I remember Jack Abramoff tried to inflate his prestige to suck people into his scams. He had his offices decked out in fake degrees and honors. It is very much like Trump having fake magazine covers in his towers. I was watching some old commercials with Trump on Youtube, and he has tried for years to brand his name to be associated with wealth and prestige.

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Mach said:

I've said it before, it's not Trump that worries me, it's his supporters. He's a blustering fool on his own. With his faithful, he's POTUS.

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I agree. His supporters are more dangerous than him. Trump is looking incompetent, and, therefore, he is not getting much passed. Because of term limits, he can and will eventually go away, but his supporters and the alt-right will still be there. They are not going to go away with Trump.

Parrish said:

I "liked" your post but that doesn't mean I like the way he has spoken about his daughter. Incestuous feelings about one's daughter is pretty sick.

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I think he says the things he does about his daughter, because of his egomania. He is horny for a female created in-part by him.

Cardinal said:

He said he's proud of Tiffany "to a lesser extent." I think he probably has enough love to reach Ivanka, and it probably stops about there.

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Seriously? I knew he wasn't in her life as much but I didn't know he said that.

Skeptic Bob said:

Seriously? I knew he wasn't in her life as much but I didn't know he said that.

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Yeah.. **** Donald JACKASS TRUMPF lmao... Presidential MYA SS

radcen said:

I do believe that The Donald truly and genuinely cares for his family. That's about it.

I believe he has nothing against other people succeeding and making money, as long as he is first and best and gets all the attention.

I don't think he's necessarily as overtly "evil" as Hillary is, but I do believe he is a selfish, self-centered, lying, treacherous, untrustworthy, deceitful, schmuck, overall.

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After extensively watching Trump over the last 1-1/2 years, I cannot think of one single character trait that I like about him. It's actions are deplorable, his tweets are deplorable, his lies are deplorable--and I really can't think of anything that would be considered good or decent about him.

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SheWolf said:

Narcissism is often rooted in deep seated insecurity. Trump is obviously insecure and tries to overcompensate by ego inflating. He practically has an eggshell ego and is in constant protection mode, which makes him appear like a chaotic, irrational, bully.

He has a lot of traits the reminds me of a woman I used to work for. She definitely lacked empathy for people, and could turn anybody's personal tragedy into being about herself. I came to think that she could very well be a sociopath, but I have never been around anybody actually diagnosed.

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Like I said earlier, my bet is a "dark triad" personality, which is still sociopathic, but more mildly, and combined with a more pronounced narcissistic streak, which would account for that insecure obsession over image. There's actually a ton of bad businessmen with dark triad personalities, so he probably fits right in. It's sociopathy + narcissism + manipulativeness.

When I have met pure, confirmed sociopaths, they are just utterly cold, if you are able to sort of look behind the eyes (they learn how to appear relatively normal in social interactions, but there's some tells). Most of them don't really experience feelings, apart from a sort of a baseline of mild annoyance. That's why the most extreme ones, psychopaths, can turn to stuff like torture and serial killing -- it's an attempt to feel something.

Some of them might be moved to anger if they feel you're stepping outside your "rights," but it's not because they're genuinely personally hurt by what you've done. It's because they're insulting you're not treating them as superior. And others still can't even experience anger.

It's actually really fascinating. Creepy as hell, but fascinating.

Donald may be missing most of the feelings associated with actual human empathy, but he does have more than a pure sociopath, I think. Kind of reminds me of a toddler who's not been raised very well. Selfish feelings, like shock, insecurity, contentment, competitiveness, pride -- he has that stuff, as self-referential as it may be.

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Insight to the unethical mind of Trump, but the following doesn't illustrate some of the more noteworthy aspects of Trump's dark side:

You really don’t have to go any further than this email from a New York real estate player, who’s crossed paths with Trump, and wrote in more than a year ago to explain the predatory attack strategies Donald learned from his dad Fred way back in the day.

We now know Trump’s modus operandi intuitively. But it helps to understand where it came from, the logic of it and how it’s succeeded for Trump again and again over decades.

There is a personality type with a New York developer, one Donald learned from Fred when he carried his dad’s briefcase to acquisition meetings out in the boroughs and it goes like this:

Donald contracts for a service or good, or the acquisition of a piece of land for $1 million.

He then does not pay you

You ask Donald for your million dollars

Donald yells at you, basely, abusively, wholly out of character to the rich gentleman you broke bread with and made the deal with. He tells you that no, YOU owe him $200,000. Gives you no reason but screams how can you be such a son of a bitch to rip him off, how he’s going to sue you, expose you as a cheat, etc.

You’re off your pins, defensive. How could this be the guy who was so nice when he picked up the check at Per Se?

So, you compromise, because human nature avoids conflict, right? This is what he’s gaming you for because once you compromised, you’ve lost. You’ve inferred his premise that you have some complicity in the matter otherwise why would you compromise? You are on the defensive and will never get it back.

You offer $750,000 as a settlement, angry but want it over and done with. He then sues you. Why, because you’ve already committed yourself to the loss. You volunteered to surrender your position and what will stop you from keeping going?

I’ve seen many a New Yorker settle things like this with Trump people for 5-10 cents on the dollar and then happy, even eager to keep doing business with them. Why? Because he got in their heads with this aggressively counterintuitive behavior.

The only real addition to the story is that this is a lot easier to pull off with other real estate developers than it is to powerful players in Washington, especially after they’ve seen the swindle a few times. Trump’s inability to get the same results as he’s used to with this approach is basically the story of his presidency so far.

How Trump Learned to be a Predator – Talking Points Memo.

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Trump has an astonishing background that's been documented "long before he decided to run for president".

The editorial above raises our awareness about patterns of Trump's charlatan behaviors that came out in his campaign. I've posted several links in the past that describes a dozen or so of his more unscrupulous business deals and they involved a lot of victims and mega-millions of dollars.

At a young age Trump began his business life learning how to deceive and grift. Trump isn't a good person. He doesn't have the character, integrity, the critical thinking, problem solving, social, and coping skills to be president.

People can't turn a blind eye to Trump's true character. But we are wittinessing Trump's ineffectiveness in Washington because he's now up against 535 folks who brought with them their own "brand of grifting and graft", who aren't going to surrender their power to Trump like his narcissistic self believed that they would.

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SmokeAndMirrors said:

Like I said earlier, my bet is a "dark triad" personality, which is still sociopathic, but more mildly, and combined with a more pronounced narcissistic streak, which would account for that insecure obsession over image. There's actually a ton of bad businessmen with dark triad personalities, so he probably fits right in. It's sociopathy + narcissism + manipulativeness.

When I have met pure, confirmed sociopaths, they are just utterly cold, if you are able to sort of look behind the eyes (they learn how to appear relatively normal in social interactions, but there's some tells). Most of them don't really experience feelings, apart from a sort of a baseline of mild annoyance. That's why the most extreme ones, psychopaths, can turn to stuff like torture and serial killing -- it's an attempt to feel something.

Some of them might be moved to anger if they feel you're stepping outside your "rights," but it's not because they're genuinely personally hurt by what you've done. It's because they're insulting you're not treating them as superior. And others still can't even experience anger.

It's actually really fascinating. Creepy as hell, but fascinating.

Donald may be missing most of the feelings associated with actual human empathy, but he does have more than a pure sociopath, I think. Kind of reminds me of a toddler who's not been raised very well. Selfish feelings, like shock, insecurity, contentment, competitiveness, pride -- he has that stuff, as self-referential as it may be.

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I am curious why you have the experience you do. Do you work in mental health? Is sociopathy a spectrum?

When I read about sociopathy, it does fit my former boss's behavior a lot. The way describe sociopathy even sounds different from what I have read. For example, I read that not all sociopaths kill or feel compelled to kill. Sociopaths don't feel empathy or remorse for their actions, but they may often feel sorry for themselves. For example, a sociopath could murder a person, go to their funeral and act they miss the person and grieve (they are very deceptive), and then when caught, they sit in prison feeling sorry for themselves to have to be in prison.

I also read that sociopaths can mimic emotions and fake empathy, but they often seem glib and fake while doing it. My boss used to do that, but it was weird because she couldn't show empathy in a proper way... it was so fake and forced... and then she do or say something revealing she didn't actually empathize with you. She was basically too inept to fake empathy in a proper way. Also, she had the emptiness in her eyes with flashes of contempt and anger.

BTW, I also realize that we can't diagnose people by reading symptoms online, but reading it does offer some insight into trying to understand a person who seems totally strange.

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I don't think Donald Trump really wants people to suffer. I think he promised a lot of things to a lot of people that he had no idea how to accomplish, and now he basically just lets Republicans do whatever they want while he watches television, golfs, and tweets. I think he really does love the adulation of his supporters, and would like to see them do better because of it.

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SheWolf said:

I am curious why you have the experience you do. Do you work in mental health? Is sociopathy a spectrum?

When I read about sociopathy, it does fit my former boss's behavior a lot. The way describe sociopathy even sounds different from what I have read. For example, I read that not all sociopaths kill or feel compelled to kill. Sociopaths don't feel empathy or remorse for their actions, but they may often feel sorry for themselves. For example, a sociopath could murder a person, go to their funeral and act they miss the person and grieve (they are very deceptive), and then when caught, they sit in prison feeling sorry for themselves to have to be in prison.

I also read that sociopaths can mimic emotions and fake empathy, but they often seem glib and fake while doing it. My boss used to do that, but it was weird because she couldn't show empathy in a proper way... it was so fake and forced... and then she do or say something revealing she didn't actually empathize with you. She was basically too inept to fake empathy in a proper way. Also, she had the emptiness in her eyes with flashes of contempt and anger.

BTW, I also realize that we can't diagnose people by reading symptoms online, but reading it does offer some insight into trying to understand a person who seems totally strange.

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Honest answer? While I have taken some college-level psychology courses, I've never been anywhere near the actual field. For some reason, I have always had "sociopath-dar," even when I was quite young. I know them the moment I meet them, and because they don't care what anyone thinks of them, they will confirm if you ask. I've also had it be the case that I asked a third party, and they confirmed for me too. I don't know how exactly this works, or how my head figures it out. I'm just good at it. Maybe it's because I'm basically their exact opposite -- a people-reading, hyper-empathic INFJ.

And yes, sociopathy is a spectrum. You have mild cases where they often just seem unambitious and flat (they're close enough to normal that they don't feel a need to fake more feelings than they have). And then you have the super extreme ones like Jeffrey Dahmer.

I would say that *most* sociopaths feel no drive to kill. But rather, some of the very extreme ones do it as a way of trying to find entertainment (many of them are depressed, due to the inability to experience joy). Some have co-morbid sadistic tendencies and may desire to kill, but that itself isn't part of sociopathy, per se.

Yes, some sociopaths have a very weird, literalistic way of faking feelings. They'll say something like, "I was sad" in the sort of situation where a normal person would just figure that went without saying. And they use really simple terms for emotions, because to them it's all theoretical. Like, if I want to describe surgery, I'm probably more likely to use a simple word like "cut" rather than "incision" because as a non-surgeon, the nuances of how to cut stuff means very little to me. They'll say "sad" instead of "shattered" because as mostly unfeeling people, the nuances of feelings mean very little to them.

Sociopaths aren't all that rare, so it is almost a guarantee you have met several in your life. Female sociopaths are less common, but they exist, so it's certainly possible.

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Good grief no. Now I don't personally know him and I'm sure he has parts that are good like many people. Good to children especially family and stuff like that but in general I haven't seen anything that would make me put him in the "good person" category. The stuff he is probably good at falls more along the lines of stuff you are supposed to be good at. ALso let me be clear I don't think he is some Evil super villain . . just not a good person. I would never want to have him for a son or my kid aspire to be like him.

Cigar said:

IT's possible he is a Good person in private, but his Public Behavior unfortunately shows more about the man than anything else.

If he ever called out my Wife, publicly, he'd have an ass-kicking coming ... from everyone related to me and her.

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I cannot fathom how people were pissed that Cruz picked his wife over his campaign promise to Donald, nor can I fathom how Cruz went back on that decision later.

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LaylaWindu said:

Good grief no. Now I don't personally know him and I'm sure he has parts that are good like many people. Good to children especially family and stuff like that but in general I haven't seen anything that would make me put him in the "good person" category. The stuff he is probably good at falls more along the lines of stuff you are supposed to be good at. ALso let me be clear I don't think he is some Evil super villain . . just not a good person. I would never want to have him for a son or my kid aspire to be like him.

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Right. I do not believe he is evil, in the sense that he seeks to hurt people. I just think he's dishonest to the point that he doesn't care if people get hurt in the process of him getting ahead.

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radcen said:

Right. I do not believe he is evil, in the sense that he seeks to hurt people. I just think he's dishonest to the point that he doesn't care if people get hurt in the process of him getting ahead.

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How much more ahead do you get than POTUS?

President Trump loves U.S., and truly wants to "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN"!

President Trump wants to protect U.S. and put U.S. first!

President Trump is not a Good Republican, nor is he a Bad Democrat, but rather a Moderate, just like the vast majority of U.S.!

We, as Americans, should accept the fact that Donald Trump is our President, and he will be residing in the Whitehouse for at least the next 3.5-years, so lets give him a chance to make U.S. great again. What have we got to lose?

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radcen said:

Right. I do not believe he is evil, in the sense that he seeks to hurt people. I just think he's dishonest to the point that he doesn't care if people get hurt in the process of him getting ahead.

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I would find that hard to argue against.

fatuous1 said:

President Trump loves U.S., and truly wants to "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN"!

President Trump wants to protect U.S. and put U.S. first!

President Trump is not a Good Republican, nor is he a Bad Democrat, but rather a Moderate, just like the vast majority of U.S.!

We, as Americans, should accept the fact that Donald Trump is our President, and he will be residing in the Whitehouse for at least the next 3.5-years, so lets give him a chance to make U.S. great again. What have we got to lose?View attachment 67219476

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Let's see, we can lose our relationships with our allies - Mexico, Australia, Germany, and Great Britain, as he has attacked all of them. We can we lose our credibility with the entire world, as we backed out of the Paris Agreement, which is supported by a majority of Americans in 49 of 50 states. We can lose our middle class, as his policies continue to favor the 1%ers. 22 million Americans can lose their health insurance, and our country can revert back to Subsidized Emergency Room Care. We can lose, we can lose, we can lose...

fatuous1 said:

President Trump loves U.S., and truly wants to "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN"!

President Trump wants to protect U.S. and put U.S. first!

President Trump is not a Good Republican, nor is he a Bad Democrat, but rather a Moderate, just like the vast majority of U.S.!

We, as Americans, should accept the fact that Donald Trump is our President, and he will be residing in the Whitehouse for at least the next 3.5-years, so lets give him a chance to make U.S. great again. What have we got to lose?View attachment 67219476

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I would take her in a heartbeat - she has a clue. Trump has no clue and doesn't care about getting a clue. He doesn't need any briefings - he's so smart.+:golf:golf