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Is a Traffic Stop, a GUN, and Being Black a REAL Issue, or NON Issue ?

Is a Traffic Stop, a GUN, and Being Black a REAL Issue, or NON Issue ?

  • YES = explain

    Votes: 8 66.7%

  • NO = explain

    Votes: 4 33.3%
  • Total voters
    12
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Is a Traffic Stop, a GUN, and Being Black a REAL Issue, or NON Issue ? YES = EXPLAIN, or NO = EXPLAIN


plenty of debate here at DP concerning
(1) traffic stops

that involve a

(2) gun

and

(3) African Americans


PLEASE SEE BELOW THE PAGE UPON PAGE OF INFO HERE AT DP CONCERNING THE ISSUE


https://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/288326-officer-jeronimo-yanez-found-guilty-not-guilty.html

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...hilando-castile-found-not-guilty-w-456-a.html

https://www.debatepolitics.com/law-and-order/289572-maybe-race-black-cop-shot-white-officer.html

DP search – YANEZ
https://www.debatepolitics.com/search.php?searchid=6702309

DP search – Castile
https://www.debatepolitics.com/search.php?searchid=6702311
 
A most definite issue... At least another century must pass before enough of us are comfortable with minorities, particularly blacks .. Then ,the gun is thrown into the equation. IMO, unnecessarily , but some people live in fear ... in cases, they cannot be blamed .
 
Basing discussion of a (widespread?) problem/issue on two cases of questionable police conduct is a bad idea. Perhaps a better question is: do we really expect 100% perfect decision making of every police officer? I suspect that the answer is largely yes and that these (two?) poor decisions tend to get transferred to typical (all?) police in "similar" situations.

Out of many thousands (millions?) of split second decisions by police to shoot or not what is an acceptable (reasonable?) error rate?
 
It certainly appears to be an issue.

Why the NRA Has Been a Disaster for Black Americans – Mother Jones

Over the past two years, the Washington Post has amassed a database of deadly shootings by police officers. Last year’s numbers, adjusted for population, show that black men were three times more likely than white men to be killed by police. Academic researchers who independently vetted the Post’s data concluded that “police exhibit shooter bias by falsely perceiving blacks to be a greater threat than non-blacks.”
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I voted YES; unless one has been living in a cave for the past few decades, then it should be obvious the answer = YES .............
 
calamity said:
I am not sure statistics justify unwarranted aggression, but yeah. There is a reason a cop sees a 12-year old black kid with a toy gun as an armed and dangerous gangbanger but sees the white kid as a harmless boy just playing Cowboys and Indians.
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Aggression? Try caution.

Hyperbolic straw man aside, try making a reasonable response to the statistic instead of trying to dismiss it with a bad argument.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Aggression? Try caution.

Hyperbolic straw man aside, try making a reasonable response to the statistic instead of trying to dismiss it with a bad argument.
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That was a reasonable response.
 
I voted no

Because the issue of carrying while armed is very delicate. There was a post recently here by a gentlemen who was carrying while stopped, and took the appropriate action resulting in him NOT being shot!

Let's ignore the fact that black culture teaches us to hate the police, or that officers being murdered by carriers during routine traffic stops is scarily common, and that the left is pushing this victim-hood narrative that african-americans are being oppressed by a ruling class. Let's pretend none of that exists, no matter which side of the argument you fall on.


If you are in your car, and are carrying, no matter what your skin looks like, it is easy to not get shot. Here is what you have to do: Inform the officer you are carrying, remain calm, listen to the officer, don't make any stupid movements, and do exactly what the officer says.

The officer DOES NOT know you, you can be the most upstanding citizen, but he DOES NOT know that. In a situation which has turned lethal for many officers before, it is best to just exercise caution, and do what you are told. That way, everyone walks away clean.

And, in the event you do all this and you are mistreated by the officer you get to sue the city for a lifetime of cash!
 
calamity said:
That was a reasonable response.
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In legal terms, that question is prejudicial to police and logically it is race baiting. Try a reasonable response, not an emotional one.
 
OpportunityCost said:
In legal terms, that question is prejudicial to police and logically it is race baiting. Try a reasonable response, not an emotional one.
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It was reasonable. In fact, if you bothered to read it, I was actually agreeing with you, at least in part up to a point.
 
Trying to make something a racial issue that isn't, is as stupid as it is irrational.
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ForeignRightist said:
I voted no

Because the issue of carrying while armed is very delicate. There was a post recently here by a gentlemen who was carrying while stopped, and took the appropriate action resulting in him NOT being shot!

Let's ignore the fact that black culture teaches us to hate the police, or that officers being murdered by carriers during routine traffic stops is scarily common, and that the left is pushing this victim-hood narrative that african-americans are being oppressed by a ruling class. Let's pretend none of that exists, no matter which side of the argument you fall on.


If you are in your car, and are carrying, no matter what your skin looks like, it is easy to not get shot. Here is what you have to do: Inform the officer you are carrying, remain calm, listen to the officer, don't make any stupid movements, and do exactly what the officer says.

The officer DOES NOT know you, you can be the most upstanding citizen, but he DOES NOT know that. In a situation which has turned lethal for many officers before, it is best to just exercise caution, and do what you are told. That way, everyone walks away clean.

And, in the event you do all this and you are mistreated by the officer you get to sue the city for a lifetime of cash!
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Strange way to look at it and, in the event mentioned what good would the, "lifetime of cash" offer the dead person that was killed by the cop?
 
calamity said:
It was reasonable. In fact, if you bothered to read it, I was actually agreeing with you, at least in part up to a point.
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Please. You intimated on how likely police are to shoot a minor based on race. Its fairly despicable.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Please. You intimated on how likely police are to shoot a minor based on race. Its fairly despicable.
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It is unfortunately true. How many 12 year old white kids get shot for having a toy gun in a park?
 
calamity said:
It is unfortunately true. How many 12 year old white kids get shot for having a toy gun in a park?
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One incident doesn't justify a smear. Your comment was despicable, trying to justify it is disgusting.
 
OpportunityCost said:
One incident doesn't justify a smear. Your comment was despicable, trying to justify it is disgusting.
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It happened, and it certainly would not have happened if that boy was white. Hell, that old fart would not have even called the cops if that kid with a toy gun was white.
 
cuban smokes said:
Is a Traffic Stop, a GUN, and Being Black a REAL Issue, or NON Issue ? YES = EXPLAIN, or NO = EXPLAIN


plenty of debate here at DP concerning
(1) traffic stops

that involve a

(2) gun

and

(3) African Americans


PLEASE SEE BELOW THE PAGE UPON PAGE OF INFO HERE AT DP CONCERNING THE ISSUE


https://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/288326-officer-jeronimo-yanez-found-guilty-not-guilty.html

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...hilando-castile-found-not-guilty-w-456-a.html

https://www.debatepolitics.com/law-and-order/289572-maybe-race-black-cop-shot-white-officer.html

DP search – YANEZ
https://www.debatepolitics.com/search.php?searchid=6702309

DP search – Castile
https://www.debatepolitics.com/search.php?searchid=6702311
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No. See post 10.

Philando Castile would have not been shot if he followed the officer's instructions. If you truly think this is about race and you are not black first go buy a gun. Heck you may not even have to buy a gun for this work. Intentionally get yourself pulled over for a minor traffic offense like speeding, broken tail light or some other minor traffic offense that will get you pulled over but not thrown in jail. Once you are a pulled over tell the officer you have a gun and not follow his or her directions by reaching for stuff and see what happens. While all this going on make sure this is being recorded on video.Just make sure you tell someone about the video so they can post it online. Because if when you get shot you probably won't make it.Because cops are not trick shooters, they are not going to shoot you in the hand or some other none fatal exact location of your body.They are going to shoot center mass.
 
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calamity said:
It happened, and it certainly would not have happened if that boy was white. Hell, that old fart would not have even called the cops if that kid with a toy gun was white.
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Or if liberals weren't trained by the media and the government to be so afraid of guns that having one must be a crime. That particular sword cuts both ways.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Or if liberals weren't trained by the media and the government to be so afraid of guns that having one must be a crime. That particular sword cuts both ways.
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I doubt the guy who called 911 was a liberal. He sounded like your typical Trump voter: white, male, over age 60.
 
calamity said:
I doubt the guy who called 911 was a liberal. He sounded like your typical Trump voter: white, male, over age 60.
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LOL, stereotype much? You don't know that. So why shift blame?
 
ForeignRightist said:
I voted no

Because the issue of carrying while armed is very delicate. There was a post recently here by a gentlemen who was carrying while stopped, and took the appropriate action resulting in him NOT being shot!

Let's ignore the fact that black culture teaches us to hate the police, or that officers being murdered by carriers during routine traffic stops is scarily common, and that the left is pushing this victim-hood narrative that african-americans are being oppressed by a ruling class. Let's pretend none of that exists, no matter which side of the argument you fall on.


If you are in your car, and are carrying, no matter what your skin looks like, it is easy to not get shot. Here is what you have to do: Inform the officer you are carrying, remain calm, listen to the officer, don't make any stupid movements, and do exactly what the officer says.

The officer DOES NOT know you, you can be the most upstanding citizen, but he DOES NOT know that. In a situation which has turned lethal for many officers before, it is best to just exercise caution, and do what you are told. That way, everyone walks away clean.

And, in the event you do all this and you are mistreated by the officer you get to sue the city for a lifetime of cash!
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I love it when libertarians advocate for complete subservience to government officers. :lol: You have a right to carry a gun. Do you believe the police should be able to summarily execute you for exercising any other right? Maybe if you say something they don't like?
 
jamesrage said:
No. See post 10.

Philando Castile would have not been shot if he followed the officer's instructions. If you truly think this is about race and you are not black first go buy a gun. Heck you may not even have to buy a gun for this work. Intentionally get yourself pulled over for a minor traffic offense like speeding, broken tail light or some other minor traffic offense that will get you pulled over but not thrown in jail. Once you are a pulled over tell the officer you have a gun and not follow his or her directions by reaching for stuff and see what happens. While all this going on make sure this is being recorded on video.Just make sure you tell someone about the video so they can post it online. Because if when you get shot you probably won't make it.Because cops are not trick shooters, they are not going to shoot you in the hand or some other none fatal exact location of your body.They are going to shoot center mass.
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Why is the life of a cop of more importance than anyone else? Why does disobeying a cop warrant being executed?
 
Facts:

1) US cops are not trained properly.
2) Many US cops are also as racist. Is it based on their experience, peer pressure, history or upbringing... a little of everything.
3) More whites are killed by cops than blacks.
4) Blacks are killed in a disproportional higher amount relative to their population.
5) Driving while Black is real.. it happens a lot, despite the denials of the right.
6) US cops get away with murder.. literally.

The problem is training.. US cops are trained to shoot first and ask questions .. maybe later. That means they basically have a license to execute people. Video after video showing where a person either is unarmed, or has a knife.. being gunned down by cops without any attempt to resolve the situation without bloodshed is ... far far too many lets put it that way. European cops are trained to subdue people first and only use deadly force as an absolute last resort.

I saw a video of a crazy man going nuts in the London underground. He had attacked 2 people with a knife, and the police had surrounded him. He was contained and the police tried to talk him down, but he refused. In the US, the guy would already be dead, but the UK police, with the armed police at the scene, used instead non lethal force and tasered him. He was arrested.

Take the traffic stop that most likely inspired this thread. The cop.. is a murderer... pure and simple. His actions were disgusting. He should be fired, and thrown in jail for manslaughter at a minimum, if not first degree murder. He executed the guy. This is not the first time it has happened either and it has to stop.
 
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