• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Is Donald Trump doing a good job as President?

Is Donald Trump doing a good job as President?

  • Total voters
    62
Redress said:
I do not like Trump, I do not like most everything he is doing. However, I don't think you can really judge how well a president is doing during the first few months. I think it takes some separation is time to really judge.
Click to expand...

Honestly, this is the best answer for me. For a sports analogy, its like people wanting a to determine if a particular draft class was "good" after 3 games; you can give an answer, but it's going to be largely worthless in the grand scheme of things.

For me at least, by and large, there's not been a lot of tangible things with regards to Trumps presidency in EITHER direction. A fair bit of fluff, of which there was a lot of stupidity, much of his own making and a fair amount that wasn't, as well as a few things I actually agreed with.

For me, there's been two big things thus far that have tangibly occurred...

The destruction of the Net Neutrality rules

The appointment of Neil Gorsuch

Both have potential long term ramifications on the country that are wide ranging and far greater than the potential 4/8 years of Trumps Presidency. The Net Neutrality one is a big negative in my mind, while Gorsuch's appointment is a big positive, and will likely be a bit more wide ranging. So as of now, for me personally, it's more positive than negative, but still way to early to make any kind of definitive determinations on it.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Simple question that I'm sure will end in a respectable and dignified manner. Do you believe Donald Trump is doing a good job as President of the United States?
Click to expand...

I picked other.

Facing unprecedented attacks from the loosing party, I'd say he is doing the best he can.

He has been doing what he promised he would do on the campaign trail.

The left, and their well placed agents, have held up the execution of a number of them.

Under the circumstances, it's difficult to imagine the President doing any better.

The left is running scared and doing everything in it's power to reverse the decision American voters made last November.

Difficult to do the job the President was elected to do under that kind of obsessive objective.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Have you been watching the same campaign and after-election activity as I have? Did you completely ignore every single butt-hurt action to undermine, disrupt, and attempt to find some reason to impeach the President as I have?

I will admit that he has made a number of statements that were not factually true. However, I do not agree that he has not made "hundreds of factually untrue statements," as he has made a number of statements taken out of context, misrepresented intentionally by the MSM in the worst light possible, or outright falsely reported.
Click to expand...

You may not agree that Trump has made hundreds of factually untrue statements but he has. Washington Post Fact Checker: In 151 days, President Trump has made 669 false and misleading claims

I have to note the irony of the complaining. Trump is the guy who fouls and then is the first to cry foul. He spent seven years questioning the legitimacy of the previous president. The called HRC "crooked." He disparaged Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz's father. Now, when there are legitimate reasons to look into whether his campaign colluded with the Russian hack, not only does he deny that there ever was a hack, which intelligence officials say is certain, but he cries that it is a 'witch hunt.' For me, when I see Trump speak abrasively about the leaders of Britain, Germany, Australia, etc. but only has praise for Putin, there is something going on there.

As Harry Truman said, "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." Trump wanted this job and the heat from the free press, the political opposition and the public go along with the job. It's not all about making speeches in front of swooning fans.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Simple question that I'm sure will end in a respectable and dignified manner. Do you believe Donald Trump is doing a good job as President of the United States?
Click to expand...

Absolutely ! President Trump is re-building our military , bring back JOBS , showing respect to law enforcement . Actually doing something about the violent gangs and ILLEGALS . Trying to get tax CUTS , put the stock market in areas it has NEVER seen before , almost doubled my 401K . :2wave: :2wave: :2wave:
 
Socrates1 said:
Absolutely ! President Trump is re-building our military , bring back JOBS , showing respect to law enforcement . Actually doing something about the violent gangs and ILLEGALS . Trying to get tax CUTS , put the stock market in areas it has NEVER seen before , almost doubled my 401K . :2wave: :2wave: :2wave:
Click to expand...
Too much here to comment on properly, so I'll just focus on the two in red.

Please explain, how Trump is directly responsible for these. Provide specifics. Connect the dots.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I think he is honestly trying the do the best he can...under the circumstances.

He is not a politician, and he was not elected to be one.

I think any President, faced with such active undermining, repeated blatant attempts to remove him from office, and sometimes even open rebellion almost from the time he was elected would be in the same boat. :shrug:

About the only thing I could say was really his responsibility is the unrestrained tweeting and the lack of internal communication on how to deal with the public that hasn't help much.
Click to expand...

Thank you for this. I too believe President Trump is doing the best he can and he has accomplished a huge amount considering he has a feckless and obstinate permanent political class (in both parties) to work with in Congress. But what he has been able to do as President has been very effective so far. Appointing Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court was the first serious indication that he did intend to keep his campaign promises.

He is a deal maker so he is doing some compromise and negotiation as he goes along which only exacerbates the nattering nabob of negativity nutsery, but he knows some of that will be necessary to accomplish goals. And I think he is actually having some fun with watching liberal heads explode and he plays the media like a fiddle once he figured out he was never going to get an honest or fair deal from the MSM.

A lot of us would like a somewhat modified delivery style from this man, but he is who he is, and that is less important to those who support him. What is important is what happens as a country under his vision and leadership. The non toxic, non bitter part of productive America is hopeful and moving forward with a Trump presidency. If Congress does start working with him, I think it could be pretty awesomely good.
 
Socrates1 said:
Absolutely ! President Trump is re-building our military , bring back JOBS , showing respect to law enforcement . Actually doing something about the violent gangs and ILLEGALS . Trying to get tax CUTS , put the stock market in areas it has NEVER seen before , almost doubled my 401K . :2wave: :2wave: :2wave:
Click to expand...
I'd like to see the evidence of any of those claims -- and the policies that might make that happen.

On the military, "re-building our military" is vague. What specifically was left unbuilt in the military?
On jobs, the monthly job gains are consistent with the job gains under Obama. In February, the jobs gained were 232,000 compared to Feb 2016 of 237,000; March 2017 was 50,000 compared to March 2016 of 225,000; April was 174,000 compared to April 2016 of 153,000; May 2017 was 138,000 compared to April 2016 of 297,000. The evidence doesn't show any remarkable job gains.

The stock market has been rising since 2009. Of course, Trump cultists only notice recently.
 
We could have no flaws in our country, and I would still find a reason to be dissatisfied with its leadership.
 
He's doing what he was voted in to do, which is to give jobs to the middle class, or to destabilize the system and be a giant middle finger to liberals. As he's accomplishing the latter, he's doing "a good job."

Is he doing what's traditionally defined as a good job? No, not one bit at all.
 
Last edited:
Fledermaus said:
Other.

He is trying to keep his campaign promises and like Arnie in California, has found out it is much easier to promise things than it is to deliver things.
Click to expand...

I think Obama learned the same lesson. I believe Obama truly wanted to shut down the prison at Guantanamo... then learned the opposition for doing so was too much.
 
Donald is doing a great job for himself and his family.
 
He has broken or reversed stances completely on some key campaign promises ( DACA, less foreign intervention)

To this point, he has failed in being able to get any key legislation put through, which is not solely his fault as that requires help from Congress. The one key legislation (ACA Lite) appears to be a disaster.

He has kept several promises (Gorsuch, Immigration has dropped substantially, TPP, Paris) and in many cases tried to keep promises but stopped by opposition (wall, Muslim ban)

While it is too early to judge, at this point it would be fair to say he has done poorly overall at this stage. The only caveat being that for the people that voted for him simply for the Supreme court pick and to upset the Left he has accomplished that.
 
He is a shining example of why political experience matters in elected office. He has none, and it shows in his poor performance.
 
Cardinal said:
He's doing what he was voted in to do, which is to give jobs to the middle class, or to destabilize the system and be a giant middle finger to liberals. As he's accomplishing the latter, he's doing "a good job."

Is he doing what's traditionally defined as a good job? No, not one bit at all.
Click to expand...

Really? Have some significant examples? I agree with the rest.

To the OP:
Trump is flailing. He's the classic bull in a china shop. Yes, that's what people wanted - someone to tear the system up. He's not getting that done, but some of his cabinet is.

Net Neutrality is history - huge negative; Devos is siphoning billions from the dept. of Ed. to rich people (like her) running private religious schools, another big negative. Some of the deregulation I consider positive, but as expected they are going too far with it.

:thumbdown
 
Last edited:
<alt>doxygen said:
Really? Have some significant examples? I agree with the rest.

To the OP:
Trump is flailing. He the classic bull in a china shop. Yes, that's what people wanted - tear the system up. He's not getting that done, but some of his cabinet is. Net Neutrality is history - huge negative; Devos is siphoning billions from the dept. of Ed. to rich people (like her) running private religious schools, another big negative. Some of the deregulation I consider positive, but as expected they are going too far with it.

:thumbdown
Click to expand...

The operative conjunction in that sentence was "or."
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Simple question that I'm sure will end in a respectable and dignified manner. Do you believe Donald Trump is doing a good job as President of the United States?
Click to expand...

I don't get it. Just one person says he's doing fantastic. Less than 30% willing to even say average or other. Why is it that I get so many replies from all these right wingers who seem to love him? Does the one or two people that support him have nothing better to do or something?
 
Nap said:
He has broken or reversed stances completely on some key campaign promises ( DACA, less foreign intervention)

To this point, he has failed in being able to get any key legislation put through, which is not solely his fault as that requires help from Congress. The one key legislation (ACA Lite) appears to be a disaster.

He has kept several promises (Gorsuch, Immigration has dropped substantially, TPP, Paris) and in many cases tried to keep promises but stopped by opposition (wall, Muslim ban)

While it is too early to judge, at this point it would be fair to say he has done poorly overall at this stage. The only caveat being that for the people that voted for him simply for the Supreme court pick and to upset the Left he has accomplished that.
Click to expand...
That's a fair point.
 
I think he is doing a horrible job. Not only because I disagree with the policy changes he wants, but because of his "leadership" style. Even if I supported his policy proposals I would strongly disapprove of how he leads and conducts himself as President. It has a detrimental effect on our standing in the world.

That said, he hasn't gotten us stuck in an indefinitely long ground war yet so, as of right now, I consider him marginally better than GWB.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I think he is doing a horrible job. Not only because I disagree with the policy changes he wants, but because of his "leadership" style. Even if I supported his policy proposals I would strongly disapprove of how he leads and conducts himself as President. It has a detrimental effect on our standing in the world.

That said, he hasn't gotten us stuck in an indefinitely long ground war yet so, as of right now, I consider him marginally better than GWB.
Click to expand...

While I fundamentally agree that his behavior is unbecoming of a President. The point of it being a detrimental effect on our standing in the world is rather ridiculous. Our standing in the world is essentially guaranteed by our military might. We could elect Lord Buckethead and we would not lose our standing simply because the US government has the power (rightly or wrongly) to enforce what ever it would like.
 
Nap said:
While I fundamentally agree that his behavior is unbecoming of a President. The point of it being a detrimental effect on our standing in the world is rather ridiculous. Our standing in the world is essentially guaranteed by our military might. We could elect Lord Buckethead and we would not lose our standing simply because the US government has the power (rightly or wrongly) to enforce what ever it would like.
Click to expand...
You are correct, to a point. We do still have our might. And whether they like us or hate us, we still provide other countries great benefit.

However, it's the little things that Trump seems to be destroying. Ease of cooperation is huge. Why do we want to make things more difficult on us than necessary? What happens when we're kicked out of a country where the small base we have is crucial? What do we miss out on when other countries start excluding us from even being involved from the start?

In a sense politicians are like petulant children. Not just us, but everywhere. Just like on a playground, if one kid is being an ass the other kids will exclude him. It's easy to say that's fine, but it's also shortsighted and self-destructive.
 
radcen said:
You are correct, to a point. We do still have our might. And whether they like us or hate us, we still provide other countries great benefit.

However, it's the little things that Trump seems to be destroying. Ease of cooperation is huge. Why do we want to make things more difficult on us than necessary? What happens when we're kicked out of a country where the small base we have is crucial? What do we miss out on when other countries start excluding us from even being involved from the start?

In a sense politicians are like petulant children. Not just us, but everywhere. Just like on a playground, if one kid is being an ass the other kids will exclude him. It's easy to say that's fine, but it's also shortsighted and self-destructive.
Click to expand...

These countries also know that the President is a revolving door, they aren't going to jeopardize future relations with the US because of a single President.

Even without the military, we also have the world's largest economy which is another reason that the US will not lose any standing no matter how ignorant or how much of an ass the President is.
 
Nap said:
These countries also know that the President is a revolving door, they aren't going to jeopardize future relations with the US because of a single President.

Even without the military, we also have the world's largest economy which is another reason that the US will not lose any standing no matter how ignorant or how much of an ass the President is.
Click to expand...

Why should we hinder ourselves in the mean time?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom