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Is Donald Trump doing a good job as President?

Is Donald Trump doing a good job as President?

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Jredbaron96

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Simple question that I'm sure will end in a respectable and dignified manner. Do you believe Donald Trump is doing a good job as President of the United States?
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Simple question that I'm sure will end in a respectable and dignified manner. Do you believe Donald Trump is doing a good job as President of the United States?
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The proof is in the facts.
 
Voted average. I support the general platform; as of yet hasn’t lost me going super off platform and hasn’t done anything too spectacular from the ideas which drew me to said platform. I wish him the best in moving that vote to fantastic. I pray it doesn’t have to become horrible.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Simple question that I'm sure will end in a respectable and dignified manner. Do you believe Donald Trump is doing a good job as President of the United States?
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In the manner of Dr. Seuss, I submit a rough draft first verse... now I ask others to continue this lame rhyme... we can post it, roast it, laugh about it, in general have a grand silly time!

I do not like Trump the Louse. I do not want him in the House. I do not can not stand this Man. I want him Gone; I'm not his Fan.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Simple question that I'm sure will end in a respectable and dignified manner. Do you believe Donald Trump is doing a good job as President of the United States?
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I do not like Trump, I do not like most everything he is doing. However, I don't think you can really judge how well a president is doing during the first few months. I think it takes some separation is time to really judge.
 
Thus far? Terrible.

He put the kibosh on the TPP, increased NASA funding, helped drag a good chunk of the Democrats kicking and screaming away from Clintonite neoliberalism, and that's about it for his positive accomplishments.
 
I think he is honestly trying the do the best he can...under the circumstances.

He is not a politician, and he was not elected to be one.

I think any President, faced with such active undermining, repeated blatant attempts to remove him from office, and sometimes even open rebellion almost from the time he was elected would be in the same boat. :shrug:

About the only thing I could say was really his responsibility is the unrestrained tweeting and the lack of internal communication on how to deal with the public that hasn't help much.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
I think he is honestly trying the do the best he can...under the circumstances.

He is not a politician, and he was not elected to be one.
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That would be painfully stupid. The job of president is a political one. So he was in fact elected to be a politician.

I think any President, faced with such active undermining, attempts to remove him form office, and sometimes even open rebellion almost from the time he was elected would be in the same boat. :shrug:
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Every president has faced just that. Trump just cries about it more.

About the only thing I could say was really his responsibility is the unrestrained tweeting and the lack of internal communication on how to deal with the public that hasn't help much.
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So he is not responsible for most of the actions he has actually taken as president? Really?
 
Redress said:
That would be painfully stupid. The job of president is a political one. So he was in fact elected to be a politician.
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Typical ad hominin. :doh

Redress said:
Every president has faced just that. Trump just cries about it more.
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NO! :no:

Every President has NOT faced unnecessary recounts; cries of voter fraud; cries the vote was hacked; claims they were mentally unbalanced if not insane; demands to eliminate the electoral college to keep them out of office and use the popular votes already cast; open attempts to encourage unfaithful electors; allegations they were racists, misogynists, bigots, xenophobes, opposed to religious freedoms (Islamophobes); working for a foreign government as a "Siberian Candidate;" massive but often false leaks and internal rebellions from "virtuous rebels;" open and continuous attempts to create some reason to impeach them right from the date of their election; along with constant efforts in the media to portray them in the worst light possible day in an day out. All accompanied by cries from the opposition "they weren't MY President!" Just to name a FEW issues. ALL at the same time! :roll:

Redress said:
So he is not responsible for most of the actions he has actually taken as president? Really?
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He is responsible for everything he does and fails to do...as are we all in our own lives. He just hasn't done all the "wrong" which you and others have attempted to portray.

This is the thing people with your view can't seem to understand. That crying "foul" based almost entirely on emotional outbursts, claiming everything is bad and nothing is good while simultaneously demonizing everyone who dares to disagree?

That is why the only people you are "convincing" (if you could call brainwashing that) these days are those already living in the echo-chambers of your narrative. :yes:
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Typical ad hominin. :doh
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No, there was no ad hominem there. Saying a comment is stupid is not as ad hominem. I attacked the argument, and not the person. Way to avoid actually addressing the point tho~



NO! :no:

Every President has NOT faced unnecessary recounts, cries of voter fraud, cries the vote was hacked, claims they were mentally unbalanced if not insane, demands to eliminate the electoral college to keep them out of office and use the popular vote, open attempts to encourage unfaithful electors, allegations they were racists, misogynists, bigots, xenophobes, opposed to religious freedoms (Islamophobes), working for a foreign government as a "Siberian Candidate," attempt to impeach them right from the date of their election, constant efforts in the media to portray them in the worst light possible day in an day out, and cries "they weren't MY President!" Just to name a FEW issues. :roll:
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Yeah, that's right, Obama never faced lawsuits claiming he was not a natural born citizen, obstruction to everything he did, complaints about everything he did...oh wait, yes he did. So you are just factually mistaken.

He is responsible for everything he does and fails to do...as are we all in our own lives. He just hasn't done all the "wrong" which you and others have attempted to portray.

This is the thing people with your view can't seem to understand. That crying "foul" based almost entirely on emotional outbursts, claiming everything is bad and nothing is good while simultaneously demonizing everyone who dares to disagree?

That is why the only people you at convincing these days is those already living in the echo-chambers of your narrative.
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And now you are assigning positions to me I have not taken. Fascinating stuff. Maybe you should actually read what I post, instead of assuming you know my positions. You said he was not responsible, now you say he is. Which is it?
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Simple question that I'm sure will end in a respectable and dignified manner. Do you believe Donald Trump is doing a good job as President of the United States?
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I voted other. Much of President Trump's first days have been consumed attempting to overcome the obstacles the sore losers have placed in the path. I doubt that will change since that's all they got.
 
Every President has NOT faced unnecessary recounts, cries of voter fraud, cries the vote was hacked, claims they were mentally unbalanced if not insane, demands to eliminate the electoral college to keep them out of office and use the popular votes already cast, open attempts to encourage unfaithful electors, allegations they were racists, misogynists, bigots, xenophobes, opposed to religious freedoms (Islamophobes), working for a foreign government as a "Siberian Candidate," attempts to impeach them right from the date of their election, along with constant efforts in the media to portray them in the worst light possible day in an day out, and cries "they weren't MY President!" Just to name a FEW issues.
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Poor baby! He should just go eat worms. That'll show 'em!
 
Redress said:
No, there was no ad hominem there. Saying a comment is stupid is not as ad hominem. I attacked the argument, and not the person. Way to avoid actually addressing the point tho~
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Sorry, but calling something "stupid" is not an argument. It is an attack on the person making the original point.

Meanwhile, Trump was elected because he was NOT a politician. People are getting fed up with politicians. People also still keep supporting him because he is not ACTING like a politician. If we wanted a politician in office again...Hillary would have been elected nationwide.

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Yeah, that's right, Obama never faced lawsuits claiming he was not a natural born citizen, obstruction to everything he did, complaints about everything he did...oh wait, yes he did. So you are just factually mistaken.
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Are you seriously comparing this minor crap to what President Trump has been dealing with before and after the election?

Consider, if Obama had been dealing with that loooong list of issues in my response...you would probably be going apes**t about the injustice of it all. :lol:

Redress said:
And now you are assigning positions to me I have not taken. Fascinating stuff. Maybe you should actually read what I post, instead of assuming you know my positions. You said he was not responsible, now you say he is. Which is it?
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Geez, talk about deflection. You asked a question in the form of a negative statement. Is he responsible for the things he did.:

Redress said:
So he is not responsible for most of the actions he has actually taken as president? Really?
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I provided a correct answer. There has yet to be shown any "major wrong," just a lot of allegations based mostly on Progressive-Left butt-hurt...and some foolish tweets. :coffeepap:
 
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Jredbaron96 said:
Simple question that I'm sure will end in a respectable and dignified manner. Do you believe Donald Trump is doing a good job as President of the United States?
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Well, he has done nothing to get me upset or for me to give him a pat on the back. Now I wouldn't call that average. Trump acts very unpresidential and his constant use of twitter is annoying to say the least. It's not his policies or what he has tried to do or not do that bothers me. It is his persona which grates on me. Does that make him a bad president, no. It may make him an uncouth president, an obnoxious president, but not a bad president.

If I determine Trump is out to improve America and is looking out for American interests, I can live with him being an obnoxious president. So in a way I haven't made up my mind whether he is a good or bad president. There has been more than a few elected officials that I didn't care for personally or as a person. But some ended up being real good at what they do and improved this country.

So I'll wait a while longer before jumping off the fence.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Simple question that I'm sure will end in a respectable and dignified manner. Do you believe Donald Trump is doing a good job as President of the United States?
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Congress runs the country, not the president. Between the infighting Republican Congress and the resistance, Trump hasn't been able to do all that much. However, just the fact that we don't have Hillary president, and the fact that Gorsuch is on the Supreme Court, Trump is doing a fantastic job.
 
No, he not.
 
Horrible. Frankly, I can't get past the irony.

His whole platform was "stick it to the man", "screw pc", "no mincing words" and yet he spends so much time complaining about what is said about him, complaining about being made fun of, and whining about every thing on his twitter.

His actions depict him as a man who thought the President was an all powerful being and not just another cog in the machine.

There's be no real shake up, the swamp has not been drained. He seems to be lining his pockets with his role as president and ties to his still thriving companies.

I just don't get it. He is the antithesis of everything he promised.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I think he is honestly trying the do the best he can...under the circumstances.

He is not a politician, and he was not elected to be one.

I think any President, faced with such active undermining, repeated blatant attempts to remove him from office, and sometimes even open rebellion almost from the time he was elected would be in the same boat. :shrug:

About the only thing I could say was really his responsibility is the unrestrained tweeting and the lack of internal communication on how to deal with the public that hasn't help much.
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I have never worked in the auto industry. If somehow I found myself as the head of Toyota, would it be an acceptable excuse to say, 'I am doing the best that I can under the circumstances that I have no experience or training in what I am being asked to do.' ? Trump ran on the claim that he had unique qualifications. Now we know that was BS.

Moreover, Trump's problems are not others trying to undermine him and there are no attempts to remove him from office (yet). Trump's problems are self-inflicted. Nobody is forcing him to profiteer from his office. Nobody forced him to hire his family for high offices. Nobody forces him to make idiotic 3AM tweets. Nobody else is publicly making hundreds of factually untrue statements.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Simple question that I'm sure will end in a respectable and dignified manner. Do you believe Donald Trump is doing a good job as President of the United States?
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There are a handful of things he has done, or tried to do, that I liked. But they're relatively minor things. Nothing significant. On balance, though, he has been horrible. Just horrible. The best at being horrible. More horrible than any other horrible politician.

And the weird part... pretty much all of his roadblocks have been self-erected. If Washington was "The Father of His Country", and Lincoln was "Honest Abe", and Reagan was "The Great Communicator", maybe Trump is "The Master Alienator".
 
MTAtech said:
I have never worked in the auto industry. If somehow I found myself as the head of Toyota, would it be an acceptable excuse to say, 'I am doing the best that I can under the circumstances that I have no experience or training in what I am being asked to do.' ? Trump ran on the claim that he had unique qualifications.

Moreover, Trump's problems are not others trying to undermine him and there are no attempts to remove him from office (yet). Trump's problems are self-inflicted. Nobody is forcing him to profiteer from his office. Nobody forced him to hire his family for high offices. Nobody forces him to make idiotic 3AM tweets. Nobody else is publicly making hundreds of factually untrue statements.
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Have you been watching the same campaign and after-election activity as I have? Did you completely ignore every single butt-hurt action to undermine, disrupt, and attempt to find some reason to impeach the President as I have?

I will admit that he has made a number of statements that were not factually true. However, I do not agree that he has not made "hundreds of factually untrue statements," as he has made a number of statements taken out of context, misrepresented intentionally by the MSM in the worst light possible, or outright falsely reported.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Have you been watching the same campaign and after-election activity as I have? Did you completely ignore every single butt-hurt action to undermine, disrupt, and attempt to find some reason to impeach the President as I have?

I will admit that he has made a number of statements that were not factually true. However, I do not agree that he has not made "hundreds of factually untrue statements," as he has made a number of statements taken out of context, misrepresented intentionally by the MSM in the worst light possible, or outright falsely reported.
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He has a bad habit of reacting when he shouldn't and in ways that only fuels the fire. Even when he doesn't start it, he pushes it along.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Simple question that I'm sure will end in a respectable and dignified manner. Do you believe Donald Trump is doing a good job as President of the United States?
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So far, I think he's doing a terrible job. Maybe that will change as time goes on, but I highly doubt it will.
 
He's doing about as well as one would expect from a man whose sole 'qualification' is that he's an internet troll whose only agenda is trying to piss off Democrats. Which is to say, he's doing poorly by any metric.

His vaunted negotiation skills turned out to be a farce, he's obviously not a quick learner when it comes to government and policy (not good, since he entered the office knowing zero about both), and he's an embarrassment on the world stage. And that's before one even considers the escalating legal and ethical quagmire the Trump cabal finds itself in.

So no, he's not doing a good job.
 
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