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Encouraging Suicide = Manslaughter. Agree or Disagree?

Encouraging Suicide = Manslaughter. Agree or Disagree?

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_Sal said:
agreed
"to blame" is really not a part of this


actually legally it can...so you are wrong

most "disturbed" individuals do not pose a threat to others
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A person is responsible for the actions they commit while they have a mental illness.

Is responsible a better choice of words?

I realize that people have been absolved due to mental illness. That does not necessarily remove the threat they can posit and therefore does not seem consistently justified.

The "most disturbed" individuals do pose a threat to themselves and others.
 
Fenton Lum said:
And this will be instituted how? You merely assigned some vague nothing to no one.
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Hell if I know. I have fantasies of utopia and how I think people should treat people. Bringing my ideas to reality seems like people would need swayed in a whole new moral direction.
I think I'd start with shifting tax dollars from the defense budget into a health care budget. I'd also shift all social security, medicare, medicaid, and food stamps etc into the healthcare budget. Anything that could be directly tied to health and government tax dollars should be shifted into one easy to follow tax. My goal would be to distribute the money as locally as possible. Thus, I'd invest that health budget into state coffers so the states could spread the money to more localized communities. I'd allow the local communities to plan how best to improve their local health and hire a federal administration to ensure that the plan is being followed and the money is not spent frivolously. How much money of our governments revenue is worthy of our health care?
 
Cephus said:
No, he wanted to kill himself. Whether or not he would have without her encouragement is really irrelevant.
What she did does not fit the legal definition of manslaughter, period.
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 Think about that a little.
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She has been convicted of manslaughter and she's going to prison.Think about that a lot.

:lol:

Your opinion will have no effect on reality.
 
shrubnose said:
She has been convicted of manslaughter and she's going to prison.Think about that a lot.

:lol:

Your opinion will have no effect on reality.
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No, it just means that there's been a travesty of justice and you don't give a damn. Says a lot about your character, or lack thereof.
 
Pozessed said:
A person is responsible for the actions they commit while they have a mental illness.

Is responsible a better choice of words? I realize that people have been absolved due to mental illness.
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they are responsible if they are capable of understanding the difference between right and wrong so one could be "not guilty by reason of insanity" for that crime

I don't understand much about the law so I can't speak to it other than that

That does not necessarily remove the threat they can posit and therefore does not seem consistently justified.
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a person being a threat to themselves or another due to mental illness has nothing to do with justification of their crime

The "most disturbed" individuals do pose a threat to themselves and others.
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good play on words yes... :thumbs:

the most disturbed do pose a thread

however

most disturbed people do not :mrgreen:
 
Why do crowds encourage a suicidal person to jump?
This came from a personal experience during my brief stay in Hunan, China. A man was trying to commit suicide and threatened to jump to his death on top of a building. The rescuers almost succeeded in calming him down and taking him to safety when the crowd, the bystanders shouted in UNISON "why not jump!" "We are bored waiting for you to jump!" and "Jump! Jump! Jump! "

What is wrong with these sick-minded people.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-crowds-encourage-a-suicidal-person-to-jump

By this standard many loathsome people should be prosecuted.
 
_Sal said:
Have you seen the movie 13 Reasons Why?

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It has affected too many of my clients very negatively. I haven't seen it but I am quite aware of what it's about.
 
Pozessed said:
Criteria #2 and #3 should have been met when the individual was considered disturbed. Which I did state was a factor in my hypothetical.
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The celebrity would need to know the level of mental disturbance.
 
Pozessed said:
It would be asinine or negligent to assume that media is not as influential on some depressed soul as that girl was to this boy. That would make all media publications that prompt suicide as culpable as this girl. If this girl is found culpable to this boys suicide, and held legally responsible. So too should any media that can be found to directly influence and incite suicide, anything less than equally responsible would be unjust.
The comedian should be aware that depressed and disturbed people could be in his audience, and therefore should not be encouraging suicide. Because his lyrics could be the direct result for someone committing suicide.
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The problem with your position is that unless the comments by the media caused ALL people who heard those comments to commit suicide, you cannot prove causation, negating the media's responsibility.
 
I voted no as I think it really does set a bad precedent. I already have a problem with butt hurt people thinking they have some kind of right to not be offended etc. However, after reading some more of the details she may be guilty. She egged him on. This was not just a case of someone in an argument or debate saying "go kill yourself" as she through text pushed him.

So I don't know. In this case this may be the right call.
 
Just as we all enjoy the right to life, we all enjoy the right to die. These are flip-side rights. Cognate natural rights.
Support for suicide involving consenting adults is support for a natural right. It should be applauded, not punished.
Suicide is the god-given right of every human being.
Supporting suicide is a humanism. :)

Them what thinks different ain't thinkin' worth a damn.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
The problem with your position is that unless the comments by the media caused ALL people who heard those comments to commit suicide, you cannot prove causation, negating the media's responsibility.
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Why would a media source not be culpable if they can be proven to be the last influence a suicidal person heard, and the prominent source of influence the weeks leading to the incident?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
It has affected too many of my clients very negatively. I haven't seen it but I am quite aware of what it's about.
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I did sit down and watch the whole movie when we were alerted for kids already at risk. The intent was good but wow, they missed the mark on so many levels.

One of our high schools has an ongoing project now called 13 Reasons Why NOT
 
Pozessed said:
Why would a media source not be culpable if they can be proven to be the last influence a suicidal person heard, and the prominent source of influence the weeks leading to the incident?
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Because causation can't be proven unless causation is either universal or specifically targeted.
 
_Sal said:
I did sit down and watch the whole movie when we were alerted for kids already at risk. The intent was good but wow, they missed the mark on so many levels.

One of our high schools has an ongoing project now called 13 Reasons Why NOT
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I've been doing "clean up" because of that stupid show for a couple of months, now. Fortunately, things are dying down.
 
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