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Was the shooting in Virginia an assassination attempt?

Bucky said:
If so, I think a full investigation needs to be conducted.
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Generally an assassination attempt targets a specific person. Given that the shooter had to ask whether democrats or republicans were even on the field it didn't seem like he had a specific target in mind.
 
rocket88 said:
You said part. I said part. Point is there's plenty of blame to go around on both sides for various things
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Violence seems to be one of those "various" things. So the blame belongs to the Left for this violence with its rhetoric. Nothing like this should be minimized by saying everyone is bad. You have to control, control yourselves first.
 
Peter King said:
except that is of course untrue. He may have been in his early days, but by the time he shot Giffords he was a raving loon (which has nothing to do with this political opinion, just to clarify that the reason he shot her is because he is effing cracy) with "almost exclusively conservative and anti-government, with echoes of the populist campaigning of the Tea Party movement".

Or so the Guardian says based on his writings. But again, his political leaning was not to blame for his crimes, but being a bat**** crazy nutjob was the reason for his shooting. That of course added to him being a back ward idiot who had said that women do not belong in positions of power which is more proof that he was a loon.
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May have been a leftwinger in his early days? When he shot Giffords, he was in fact still in his early days. And do not even try to connect his actions to the Tea Party. However I will agree with you that he did what he did because he was and still is a loon.
 
ObamacareFail said:
May have been a leftwinger in his early days? When he shot Giffords, he was in fact still in his early days. And do not even try to connect his actions to the Tea Party. However I will agree with you that he did what he did because he was and still is a loon.
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According to the newspaper who reviewed his comments in the later part of his life (albeit a short life), he clearly had staunch right wing ideas bordering on what the tea party propaganda was at that time. Does not say anything of the tea party (even if I dislike their ideas massively) because he clearly was not a member of that but still found a lot of political ideas of the tea party ideas appealing. Again, says nothing about the ideas of the tea party or that their ideas had one iota to do with the shooting or this shooters lunacy because that is what is to blame for the shooting, not the ideas of or the tea party itself (or other tea party supporters).
 
coldjoint said:
Violence seems to be one of those "various" things. So the blame belongs to the Left for this violence with its rhetoric. Nothing like this should be minimized by saying everyone is bad. You have to control, control yourselves first.
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Bull****. The guy was clearly a nutcase, but you're not willing to buy that because he committed the worst crime possible in your book: voting for Democrats.
 
ObamacareFail said:
May have been a leftwinger in his early days? When he shot Giffords, he was in fact still in his early days. And do not even try to connect his actions to the Tea Party. However I will agree with you that he did what he did because he was and still is a loon.
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So you're willing to accept that the guy who shot Giffords was a loon, but this guy is because of the left?
 
Peter King said:
According to the newspaper who reviewed his comments in the later part of his life (albeit a short life), he clearly had staunch right wing ideas bordering on what the tea party propaganda was at that time. Does not say anything of the tea party (even if I dislike their ideas massively) because he clearly was not a member of that but still found a lot of political ideas of the tea party ideas appealing. Again, says nothing about the ideas of the tea party or that their ideas had one iota to do with the shooting or this shooters lunacy because that is what is to blame for the shooting, not the ideas of or the tea party itself (or other tea party supporters).
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That newspaper you are referring to is "The Guardian", a left wing European rag that is well on it's way to becoming the british version of "The National Enquirer". As for the Tea party, it's ideas have never been anti-government. The Tea Party movement is simply about limited government along the lines of this nation's founding fathers. Loughner was never about those ideals. And the suggestion that Loughner sudden switched from left wing to right wing just before shooting Giffords is laughable. It is little more then creative journalism.
 
ObamacareFail said:
That newspaper you are referring to is "The Guardian", a left wing European rag that is well on it's way to becoming the british version of "The National Enquirer". As for the Tea party, it's ideas have never been anti-government. The Tea Party movement is simply about limited government along the lines of this nation's founding fathers. Loughner was never about those ideals. And the suggestion that Loughner sudden switched from left wing to right wing just before shooting Giffords is laughable. It is little more then creative journalism.
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Doesn't make the Guardian wrong and in no way or shape is the Guardian the UK version of the national enquirer.

Again, this is not about the tea party but about him having tea party-esque views before he went on a rampage.
 
Peter King said:
Doesn't make the Guardian wrong and in no way or shape is the Guardian the UK version of the national enquirer.

Again, this is not about the tea party but about him having tea party-esque views before he went on a rampage.
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Such as?
 
rocket88 said:
So you're willing to accept that the guy who shot Giffords was a loon, but this guy is because of the left?
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I remember many people on the left were blaming Foxnews and Sarah Palin for the shooting on Gifford. In a bit of irony, Bernie Sanders was the one pouring gasoline.....
 
Bucky said:
I remember many people on the left were blaming Foxnews and Sarah Palin for the shooting on Gifford. In a bit of irony, Bernie Sanders was the one pouring gasoline.....
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So you're acting like a liberal. You must be proud.
 
rocket88 said:
So you're acting like a liberal. You must be proud.
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Actually, it was Nancy Pelosi that said Republicans were more to blame for Steve Scalise's shooting than Democrats. I find that comment particurarly offensive considering Scalise is still in the hospital fighting for his life. She eseentially blamed his shooting on himself.

We have seen a growing trend of the liberal left becoming more and more extreme and dangerous. When liberal campuses are banning conservative speakers, labeling their speech hate speech, more and more people are being taught to advocate violence against conservatives.

Liberals are attracting violence because it is part of their DNA. They romanticize it as part of a revolutionary ideology. When you start comparing Trump to Hitler, Repbulicans as supporting killing people on the street, they are creating this toxic environment of death and violence.
 
Bucky said:
Actually, it was Nancy Pelosi that said Republicans were more to blame for Steve Scalise's shooting than Democrats. I find that comment particurarly offensive considering Scalise is still in the hospital fighting for his life. She eseentially blamed his shooting on himself.

We have seen a growing trend of the liberal left becoming more and more extreme and dangerous. When liberal campuses are banning conservative speakers, labeling their speech hate speech, more and more people are being taught to advocate violence against conservatives.

Liberals are attracting violence because it is part of their DNA. They romanticize it as part of a revolutionary ideology. When you start comparing Trump to Hitler, Repbulicans as supporting killing people on the street, they are creating this toxic environment of death and violence.
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So comparing Trump to Hitler is wrong, but comparing Obama to Stalin was completely ok?

Continue on with believing you are being persecuted. It's your whole worldview.
 
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