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Is this school "censorship" appropriate?

Is this school "censorship" appropriate? Or, did they go too far?

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rabbitcaebannog said:
I'm not convinced the school censored after reading the article. It sounds like a teacher who is in charge of the yearbook may be the culprit. That person will be responsible to answer to such charges.
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According to an update I read this morning, it was most likely a rogue teacher who was in charge. Said unnamed teacher has been suspended, IIRC, pending a further investigation.
 
minnie616 said:
UPDATE:

From the following article posted this morning:



Read More: Wall student's dad pleased with investigation of 'Trump' being removed from yearbook | Wall student's dad pleased with investigation of 'Trump' being removed from yearbook
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It should not take much of an investigation to determine whether the "yearbook advisor" had the photos edited. The fact that she (alone?) was suspended pretty much says that they know who did the deed - what remains to be seen is what (if anything) other than a paid vacation results from that act of political censorship.
 
The father sounds very reasonable. He's not looking for a vendetta against the school or even the teacher. Using it as a teachable moment is a very good idea.
 
radcen said:
Is this school "censorship" appropriate? Or, did they go too far?

Note that the source does not say that all political statements were censored. Only Trump-related is mentioned. Nor does the school defend itself by saying all political statements are censored, just that they don't condone censorship. This would suggest that it was indeed only Trump-related statements that got censored.

Is that kosher? If not, what should the school do to remedy it?

My thoughts: On the one hand I'm tired of parents getting their panties in a wad over what is usually trivial crap. But, on the other hand, I'm also getting tired of stuff like this happening more and more. So, *IF* it ends up that it was intentional and/or unapproved, maybe they should have to reprint the yearbooks, and the next example and the next example, just to maybe make this stuff stop.
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Regarding your "IF" Someone apparently went to the trouble of airbrushing or Photo shopping out all things Trump and not other slogans. How can this not be intentional?

The yearbooks should be reprinted and the cost should be born by the wage pool of the teachers and administration of the school. Let them sort it out.
 
Black Dog said:
It depends on the situation. Schools have the right to enforce dress codes and even some censorship rules. So I say let it be done on a case by case basis. In this case I think it might be a good idea not because it is Trump, but his name does cause people to go off the deep end. Better to just to take it out in my opinion.

It is so sad it has come to this. 20 years ago this would not have even been an issue.
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That's just wrong. Either you eliminate printed shirts or you don't. No case by case basis needed.

Lest we forget, The right to speak freely exists mostly to enable unpopular speech to be heard, not that I believe that Trump speech is unpopular. Popular speech mostly takes care of itself.
 
I screwed up and voted its appropriate when I meant to vote that it's not.
 
ocean515 said:
Thanks for the update.

Now the question becomes, what do parents do about the plethora of Susan Parsons type people in public education?

How did they get there, and how do parents get them out?
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Now we're going into talk about tenure. Buckle-up!
 
jimbo said:
Regarding your "IF" Someone apparently went to the trouble of airbrushing or Photo shopping out all things Trump and not other slogans. How can this not be intentional?

The yearbooks should be reprinted and the cost should be born by the wage pool of the teachers and administration of the school. Let them sort it out.
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"*IF*" = legal-speak. We didn't yet know more details. I stand by my caution of the moment. If I had spoken definitively, sure as hell some schmuck would have trotted in and said, "Do you KNOW that's what happened?"
 
jimbo said:
That's just wrong. Either you eliminate printed shirts or you don't. No case by case basis needed.
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Yes because absolutes have worked so well for us so far. Zero tolerance is the cats meow!

jimbo said:
Lest we forget, The right to speak freely exists mostly to enable unpopular speech to be heard, not that I believe that Trump speech is unpopular. Popular speech mostly takes care of itself.
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If this was a college I would agree, but it's not. In grade school the only thing that should be relevant is math, reading and arithmetic.
 
Black Dog said:
Yes because absolutes have worked so well for us so far. Zero tolerance is the cats meow!



If this was a college I would agree, but it's not. In grade school the only thing that should be relevant is math, reading and arithmetic.
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I agree that for the most part schools should teach the 3 R's and leave the SJW stuff alone. Why should colleges be different? Free speech is free speech.

The issue here from what I've read is not the policy, but the selective use of the policy. Trump shirts banned, other shirts good to go. That's just wrong.
 
jimbo said:
I agree that for the most part schools should teach the 3 R's and leave the SJW stuff alone. Why should colleges be different? Free speech is free speech.
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People are adults in college, or at least considered such by law according to age.

jimbo said:
The issue here from what I've read is not the policy, but the selective use of the policy. Trump shirts banned, other shirts good to go. That's just wrong.
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I don't agree. A Ronald Reagan shirt will not cause the same kind of disruption a Trump shirt will. In a perfect world you would be absolutely correct and I would agree. We however do not live in that perfect world and things that can cause that kind of disruption should be avoided. In school anyway.
 
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Black Dog said:
People are adults in college, or at least considered such by law according to age.



I don't agree. A Ronald Reagan shirt will not cause the same kind of disruption a Trump shirt will. In a perfect world you would be absolutely correct and I would agree. We however do not live in that perfect world and things that can cause that kind of disruption should be avoided. In school anyway.
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If a Trump shirt would cause disruption, why was he not sent home to change shirts before the photo was even taken?

I can't go for the "disruption" angle. It's too nebulous.
 
radcen said:
Is this school "censorship" appropriate? Or, did they go too far?

Note that the source does not say that all political statements were censored. Only Trump-related is mentioned. Nor does the school defend itself by saying all political statements are censored, just that they don't condone censorship. This would suggest that it was indeed only Trump-related statements that got censored.

Is that kosher? If not, what should the school do to remedy it?

My thoughts: On the one hand I'm tired of parents getting their panties in a wad over what is usually trivial crap. But, on the other hand, I'm also getting tired of stuff like this happening more and more. So, *IF* it ends up that it was intentional and/or unapproved, maybe they should have to reprint the yearbooks, and the next example and the next example, just to maybe make this stuff stop.
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I picked other/undecided. If they do that with all politicians and presidents names then Yes it's appropriate.But if they allowed someone wearing an Obama or some other politician on a shirt and not the shirt with Trump's name on in then no its not appropriate .
 
AliHajiSheik said:
If the logo is OK to wear to school, it should be OK for the yearbook picture. That seems pretty simple regardless of which site is being presented.
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That seems fair. Honestly if anything it might be a history lesson to the kid and his classmates, once they all grow up, that yeah, some of them actually did support Trump.
 
radcen said:
If a Trump shirt would cause disruption, why was he not sent home to change shirts before the photo was even taken?
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Why are you asking me? I only know as much as you from the story. I am sure certain details were missed or left out.

radcen said:
I can't go for the "disruption" angle. It's too nebulous.
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What is "nebulous" about a disruption? Anything that distracts from the learning process should be avoided is my only point. Each thing should be looked at individually as zero tolerance often causes bad results for well intended or people ignorant of how zero tolerance works. Like the girl being suspended for giving another an aspirin.

One last thing... The year book is a private item produced and sold for the school. They can add or delete whatever they want. You are not forced to purchase it.
 
Black Dog said:
Why are you asking me? I only know as much as you from the story. I am sure certain details were missed or left out.



What is "nebulous" about a disruption? Anything that distracts from the learning process should be avoided is my only point. Each thing should be looked at individually as zero tolerance often causes bad results for well intended or people ignorant of how zero tolerance works. Like the girl being suspended for giving another an aspirin.
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It's ill-defined. What does it mean? It would be wholly different from one school to another, and even from one class to another within the same school. It's just as bad as zero-tolerance (which I also disapprove strongly), just mirrored. There should be some kind of definition so people know what's expected.
 
radcen said:
It's ill-defined. What does it mean? It would be wholly different from one school to another, and even from one class to another within the same school. It's just as bad as zero-tolerance (which I also disapprove strongly), just mirrored. There should be some kind of definition so people know what's expected.
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The year book is a private item produced and sold for the school. They can add or delete whatever they want. You are not forced to purchase it.
 
Black Dog said:
The year book is a private item produced and sold for the school. They can add or delete whatever they want. You are not forced to purchase it.
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ZING!!!, and off we go on an irrelevant tangent. What does this have to do with the concept of disruption? Seriously. Did you have no legitimate response?

I could responded that I like cheesecake, and it would have had as much relevance as your response here.
 
radcen said:
Is this school "censorship" appropriate? Or, did they go too far?

Note that the source does not say that all political statements were censored. Only Trump-related is mentioned. Nor does the school defend itself by saying all political statements are censored, just that they don't condone censorship. This would suggest that it was indeed only Trump-related statements that got censored.

Is that kosher? If not, what should the school do to remedy it?

My thoughts: On the one hand I'm tired of parents getting their panties in a wad over what is usually trivial crap. But, on the other hand, I'm also getting tired of stuff like this happening more and more. So, *IF* it ends up that it was intentional and/or unapproved, maybe they should have to reprint the yearbooks, and the next example and the next example, just to maybe make this stuff stop.
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I read that a while ago. It was probably just the yearbook kids doing it and they didn't like Trump.
 
Not a fan of Trump, but this isn't right either, for what it's worth. Too far is too far, regardless of your leaning...I don't think this would hurt anyone, with the exception of the kid in the shirt...depending on how all this turns out, it might be a little embarrassing in retrospect, but...meh. Let him wear it, if that's how he wants to identify.
 
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