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Why Is There Outrage The Hillary Clinton Lost?

Why Is There Outrage Hillary Clinton Lost The Presidential Election?

  • She was a paragon of integrity

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • She had a great positive message

    Votes: 3 13.6%

  • She's a woman

    Votes: 1 4.5%

  • She was a bold member of Congress

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • She had a slew of successes as Sec. State, especially in Libya

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • She had a (D) after her name

    Votes: 15 68.2%

  • It was her turn

    Votes: 1 4.5%

  • Her high morale character was unmatched

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • She represented change from the status quo

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • She lost on a Tuesday.

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • Total voters
    22
  • Poll closed .
TurtleDude said:
You haven't supported that. the clinton foundation is oozing corruption. Ever heard of Marc Rich?

We don't know if Trump will use his office for corrupt purposes. We damn well know that the Clintons have used public office to enrich themselves
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Are you going to deny that Trump U was a fraud? Funny. Trump seems to agree it was. He handed over $25 million in settlement cash. And, we all know how tight that **** is with money. He knew he was toast.

BTW: you do know I didn't vote for Hillary. Right? So, obviously I am no fan of the Clintons. But, truth be told, Trump corruption is major leagues compared to the Arkansas Hillbillies. Those two couldn't even pull off a shady land deal without it blowing up in their face.
 
SMTA said:
Johnson while holding my nose.

Trump and Clinton were way too evil.
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So you mean to say that Hillary was indeed a flawed candidate. So much so that you couldn't bear to vote for her. Is it really so unreasonable to think people would vote for Trump instead of Johnson, also while holding their noses?
SMTA said:
Your small minded response posts are really cute.
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Why are they small-minded when you yourself admit you couldn't bring yourself to vote for Clinton?
 
RickJames3000 said:
You're right. You don't understand this. At all.

There are a lot of people that aren't "outraged" about Clinton's loss...
They are outraged that the electoral college coronated someone as incompetent and unsuitable as Donald Trump.

Think on that for awhile.
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I'm outraged at Clinton and the DNC establishment, for being so ridiculously incompetent that someone like Trump could beat them.
Trump had the distinct benefit of not being part of the establishment, I would guess that gained him about 5% of the voters, at least.


There's some who are so fed up with the way things are that even Trump was a better option than more of the same. I disagree with them, but I can see the edges of how they got there from where I sit.
 
The Mark said:
I'm outraged at Clinton and the DNC establishment, for being so ridiculously incompetent that someone like Trump could beat them.
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Sure. That's been a narrative that a lot of Republicans have pushed hard as well. Blame Democrats for Trump's victory.
I guess it makes some sense for them to try to distance themselves from the disaster that is Trump. But the GOP owns him and the consequences of his victory.

Obviously you have fallen for the long con hook-line-and-sinker.
 
calamity said:
Are you going to deny that Trump U was a fraud? Funny. Trump seems to agree it was. He handed over $25 million in settlement cash. And, we all know how tight that **** is with money. He knew he was toast.

BTW: you do know I didn't vote for Hillary. Right? So, obviously I am no fan of the Clintons. But, truth be told, Trump corruption is major leagues compared to the Arkansas Hillbillies. Those two couldn't even pull off a shady land deal without it blowing up in their face.
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I don't know about you, but someone who uses the government office he or she holds to engage in corruption is far worse than a private business. and there is not even a hint that someone has been snuffed due to "Trump Corruption". the Whitewater idiocy had lots of unexplained deaths that strongly suggest crime was afoot.
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't know about you, but someone who uses the government office he or she holds to engage in corruption is far worse than a private business. and there is not even a hint that someone has been snuffed due to "Trump Corruption". the Whitewater idiocy had lots of unexplained deaths that strongly suggest crime was afoot.
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Life expectancy for those close to the Clintons certainly had a way of dropping.
 
reinoe said:
I do not understand it. Trump didn't cheat to win. The GOP didn't cheat to win. The MSM wasn't handing Trump questions before debates. Neither Candidate was well-liked. Hillary didn't have a compelling message. And yet, the Dems are still confused and angry that she lost. I'm confused about their confusion. :(
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Most democrats are sheep and the party wanted Hillary not the actual people. They did not come out and support Hillary. The republicans did not support Trump until he destroyed all the party puppets. Trump won because a lot of people who normally don't bother to vote came out to support Trump. At the same time both parties saw little support for their bought and paid for puppets they thought they could ram down our throats as usual.

The rich and powerful thought after the black president the woman president was politically correct and could not lose. The party chose Hillary not the people and if they do not learn from that mistake they will lose again. Of course I am not sure the republicans learned even after Trump destroyed all their candidates with ease. Hopefully this is a great message from the people that the days of the rich and powerful owning both parties and telling us we can only choose from their puppets is over.
 
TurtleDude said:
Johnson was a no go for me for several reasons

1) his pathetic ignorance of foreign policy issues

2) his running mate admitting that their main goal was to keep Trump out of the White house

3) most importantly, that Ohio was perhaps the key swing state-at least leading up to the election
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His series of faux pas at the end completely pissed me off.

I refused to consider Clinton or Trump, and I was right.
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't know about you, but someone who uses the government office he or she holds to engage in corruption is far worse than a private business. and there is not even a hint that someone has been snuffed due to "Trump Corruption". the Whitewater idiocy had lots of unexplained deaths that strongly suggest crime was afoot.
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Bush's and the Clintons were involved in the savings and loan scandal. They worked together to cover that mess up. Then afterwards Bush and Clinton were arm and arm laughing at us while enjoying all the money they made off that mess.
 
reinoe said:
So you mean to say that Hillary was indeed a flawed candidate. So much so that you couldn't bear to vote for her. Is it really so unreasonable to think people would vote for Trump instead of Johnson, also while holding their noses?

Why are they small-minded when you yourself admit you couldn't bring yourself to vote for Clinton?
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So what?

Trump has been, continues to be, and will always be a lying piece of ****.
 
RickJames3000 said:
Sure. That's been a narrative that a lot of Republicans have pushed hard as well. Blame Democrats for Trump's victory.
I guess it makes some sense for them to try to distance themselves from the disaster that is Trump. But the GOP owns him and the consequences of his victory.

Obviously you have fallen for the long con hook-line-and-sinker.
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No, I blame Republicans for nominating someone like Trump.
AND I blame Democrats for nominating someone like Clinton.

The Republicans I blame for misjudging the populist trend, and being blindsided by Trump, who had the knowledge and/or the team to surf it.

The Democrats I blame for not recognizing the populist trend, which is especially bad in their case because I've always associated them with it, especially given FDR. They're doubly in the wrong because after failing to recognize what was basically a return to a previous version of their party, they proceeded to nominate it's antithesis, which then lost because the entire nation is moving away from that ****.


Edit: Basically, the established political groups so badly misjudged the situation that Trump is now President, and the Republicans (who were in part already taken over by anti-establishment forces) are using him as cover while they destroy the country.
 
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countryboy said:
In the general election, what was the alternative? Are you saying you voted for Hillary?
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What was your excuse during the primaries? You had 17 candidates to choose from, and you chose a Reality T.V. star who was a registered Democrat 3 times.
 
reinoe said:
Yes, he pulled the U.S. out of the TPP but that's off-topic. You mentioned Trump's "Something Is Broken Only I Can Fix It" etc.

What was Hillary's message that competed with that? "Isn't It Time For A Grandmother In Chief".

Do you find that a credible message to counter what Trump was saying? I'm not a fan of Hillary so maybe someone who was can enlighten me. Was "It's My Turn" a compelling message for you?
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No. Hillary was not the 12 year old psycho currently POTUS. That's all I can say for her. Remember, "character counts"? That election was, "half-sanity" vs. "insanity".

I'm actually enjoying the show, somewhat. I hope his stupidity/insanity keeps him from doing any lasting damage.
 
The Mark said:
No, I blame Republicans for nominating someone like Trump.
AND I blame Democrats for nominating someone like Clinton.

The Republicans I blame for misjudging the populist trend, and being blindsided by Trump, who had the knowledge and/or the team to surf it.

The Democrats I blame for not recognizing the populist trend, which is especially bad in their case because I've always associated them with it, especially given FDR. They're doubly in the wrong because after failing to recognize what was basically a return to a previous version of their party, they proceeded to nominate it's antithesis, which then lost because the entire nation is moving away from that ****.
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I do understand what you are saying.
HRC was not my preferred choice, but she prevailed in the primaries.
If not for our rigged electoral system, she'd be president now... incompetent DNC or not.
 
SMTA said:
So what?

Trump has been, continues to be, and will always be a lying piece of ****.
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Was Hillary Clinton a paragon of truth and integrity?
 
SMTA said:
His series of faux pas at the end completely pissed me off.

I refused to consider Clinton or Trump, and I was right.
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well we were going to get one or the other and I am sure glad that

1 Gorsuch is the newest justice rather than Merrick Garland-or worse

2) that Amul Thapar is the newest 6th Circuit judge rather than someone that the DNC would have picked

3) that many of the Obama era executive actions are getting 86d
 
RickJames3000 said:
I do understand what you are saying.
HRC was not my preferred choice, but she prevailed in the primaries.
If not for our rigged electoral system, she'd be president now... incompetent DNC or not.
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bahahaahahaaha that is perhaps one of the silliest claims I have ever seen. The constitution-deal with it.
 
RickJames3000 said:
I do understand what you are saying.
HRC was not my preferred choice, but she prevailed in the primaries.
If not for our rigged electoral system, she'd be president now... incompetent DNC or not.
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HRC should not have had the establishment support she did. She was a terrible choice from the start, and especially in the climate of the 2016 election year.
The electoral college isn't rigged, it's still the way it's always been, for literally decades now.
Trump won under the same system previous democrats won under.
 
reinoe said:
Shouldn't Democrats be thrilled that they have an ally on the inside in sheep's clothing?
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He's been catering to Republicans and Republican voters. If he goes back to his past liberal views, then I could perhaps back his agenda.

Then again, I never liked the guy, even when he was a Democrat.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Bush's and the Clintons were involved in the savings and loan scandal. They worked together to cover that mess up. Then afterwards Bush and Clinton were arm and arm laughing at us while enjoying all the money they made off that mess.
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The Bush family was rich long before public office. GHWB made a mint on his own. W in baseball. But for public office, the clinton's would be moderately wealthy attorneys
 
The CDS in this thread is unrivaled in the anals of DTs. HRC will not matter in the next two election cycles, trumPutins.

The GOP house is on record, just as trump lies are, as stating they would impeach HRC early on.

McConnell would have forced a resignation, blocking anything in the Senate, MM's major accomplishment in future history books .
 
The Mark said:
HRC should not have had the establishment support she did. She was a terrible choice from the start, and especially in the climate of the 2016 election year.
The electoral college isn't rigged, it's still the way it's always been, for literally decades now.
Trump won under the same system previous democrats won under.
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I said the "electoral system" is rigged... not the EC. But sure... the EC is an anachronism, and indeed perverts any semblance of democracy we claim to value.
WE, here in the USA, have the tyranny of the minority.
 
Jealousy of the Clinton's public service runs deep in this thread with those who also spent decades in public service .
 
reinoe said:
Shouldn't Democrats be thrilled that they have an ally on the inside in sheep's clothing?
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Gorsuch, TPP, Paris, etc. wish to disagree with you .
 
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