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Why Is There Outrage The Hillary Clinton Lost?

Why Is There Outrage Hillary Clinton Lost The Presidential Election?

  • She was a paragon of integrity

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • She was a bold member of Congress

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • She had a slew of successes as Sec. State, especially in Libya

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Her high morale character was unmatched

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • She represented change from the status quo

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    22
  • Poll closed .
Your selective memory is growing tiresome. But hey, anything to cast oneself as the victim, amirite?

How about something that approximates a level playing field?
How about something that approximates a reasonably fair and critical hearing of the issues?

Naaww. Can't have none of that from the left, can we? (They'd always lose those types of engagements and they know it)
 
How about something that approximates a level playing field?
How about something that approximates a reasonably fair and critical hearing of the issues?

Naaww. Can't have none of that from the left, can we? (They'd always lose those types of engagements and they know it)

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Yep. Everything is against you. Conservatives ... the true victims of American society.

Modern American conservatives are some of the biggest babies I've ever encountered.
 
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Yep. Everything is against you. Conservatives ... the true victims of American society.

Modern American conservatives are some of the biggest babies I've ever encountered.

Clearly, you aren't interested in a serious discussion of the issues.

You are dismissed.
 
Clearly, you aren't interested in a serious discussion of the issues.

You are dismissed.

Present a "serious discussion" that isn't incessant whining about just how much worse liberals are than conservatives and I might be willing to engage. Since you've never gone deeper than that, buh-bye.
 
Present a "serious discussion" that isn't incessant whining about just how much worse liberals are than conservatives and I might be willing to engage. Since you've never gone deeper than that, buh-bye.

There was a fair sized posted, in complete sentences with whole thoughts expressed here, #196, in case you missed it. Guess you must have.
 
eohrnberger said:
I saw it live as well. I saw it as a humorous comment. The fact remains that at the time that Trump made this comment, Hillary's server was already under FBI forensics examination and well beyond any possible hacking attempt. Hence, the only reasonable conclusion would be if the Russians had already obtained a copy of those emails before that point in time, so the humorous request becomes a request for sharing, rather than a request for hacking anything, as Hillary's server was well beyond any possible hacking attempt.

A few points:

1. This assumes that only Hillary's server has those emails. Assuming she sent the emails, however, hers is not the only server that has them. There'll be copies of them at switching centers all over the place, and a good hacker with the resources the Russians would be able to provide could find them.

2. Hillary's server can be hacked even in the possession of the FBI. People have a skewed view of how hacking is done (I understand it from the reverse angle of being part of a corporate team charged with preventing hacking). You almost always have to hack human beings first. If you get ahold of the right FBI employee, you can figure it out.

3. I'm not sure any of that matters. Trump asked the Russians to hack Hillary's files, in public. No getting around that fact.

eohrnberger said:
Is there any possible doubt that Trump is an up front, blunt and candid in character? Such was his campaign, and such is his presidency (often to his own detriment), regardless, it is refreshing to ditch the pompous, political excessively correct, obscure and whingy positions, impenetrable contortions of the focus group studied and stifled elitist politician. Perhaps the two parties will adopt some of these attributes and potentially re-connect with the majority of the electorate? Who knows?

This is why I'm seriously considering leaving the country permanently. There's being up-front, and there's being mentally undisciplined and downright rude. Trump is the latter--he has little control of his speech, and it betrays an undisciplined mind. A substantial part of the country seems to think that's OK. There is no more sure sign of a dying society.

eohrnberger said:
Well, other than the reduction in job killing regulations, a job growth and job demand spurt, record market highs, and a level of business optimism that hasn't been even remotely match in last 20 years, yeah, nothing at all.

What job-killing regulations have been reduced? I've run businesses before. I never had to deal with any regulations that were particularly difficult to handle or that made me not hire someone when I needed to. I haven't heard of any huge reductions in regulations that were actually killing jobs.

As for the rest, it seems more reasonable to attribute that to a long period of growth.

One further point: I don't buy the correlation between the stock market and the economy in general. There hasn't been anything like the gains in wealth for main street as there has been for wall street.

eohrnberger said:
But the message to the political elites is clear, none the less: 'It can't continue as it has been'.

Well, I agree it would be a great thing if the elite were put on notice that the pitchforks are coming if they don't start behaving in a more egalitarian manner. I fail to see how Trump was that kind of message, however. What would send that kind of message is if a middle-class populist candidate were elected.
 
A few points:

1. This assumes that only Hillary's server has those emails. Assuming she sent the emails, however, hers is not the only server that has them. There'll be copies of them at switching centers all over the place, and a good hacker with the resources the Russians would be able to provide could find them.

Possible, but doubtful. While yes, there are things as 'email switching centers' mail servers are typically associated with some sort of user account (thinking GMail or your ISP hosted email server), or other organizations, such as businesses. If any user has an email server that directly connects to the destination for delivery, there there's no 'email switching center' in play. I have an email server running at home. There's a direct connection to me friend's email server. A direct connection is established, and the email is delivered. There is no 'email switching center' involved.

If there were 'email switching centers', akin to an old style telephone switchboard, a store and forward function, the vast volume of emails and storing them would be prohibitively expensive in disk drive storage, and managing that storage. No, far more efficient to process it and send it on and deleted whatever temporary storage is used, perhaps for as short as a minute or two or even less.

2. Hillary's server can be hacked even in the possession of the FBI. People have a skewed view of how hacking is done (I understand it from the reverse angle of being part of a corporate team charged with preventing hacking). You almost always have to hack human beings first. If you get ahold of the right FBI employee, you can figure it out.

Doubtful to say the least. The FBI doesn't have buffoons working for them. Which FBI agent are you going to manipulate to turn on Hillary's server, and put it on the network for you? Seriously? The first thing the FBI would do is to dupe the hard drives and put the originals in lockup. The FBI doesn't work on evidence seized equipment, they work on copies.

3. I'm not sure any of that matters. Trump asked the Russians to hack Hillary's files, in public. No getting around that fact.

This is not correct. The implicit assumption is that the Russians already had a copy of the emails, and given the level of protection (or lack there of) of Hillary's server, out in the raw Internet, given the skill of the Russian hackers, it's probably a safe bet that they do have copies of all Hillary's emails; the classified ones, the ones about yoga, and the ones about Chelsea's wedding to the young Soros guy as well, as well as all the other ones too.

This is why I'm seriously considering leaving the country permanently. There's being up-front, and there's being mentally undisciplined and downright rude. Trump is the latter--he has little control of his speech, and it betrays an undisciplined mind. A substantial part of the country seems to think that's OK. There is no more sure sign of a dying society.

As you wish.

What job-killing regulations have been reduced? I've run businesses before. I never had to deal with any regulations that were particularly difficult to handle or that made me not hire someone when I needed to. I haven't heard of any huge reductions in regulations that were actually killing jobs.

As for the rest, it seems more reasonable to attribute that to a long period of growth.

One further point: I don't buy the correlation between the stock market and the economy in general. There hasn't been anything like the gains in wealth for main street as there has been for wall street.



Well, I agree it would be a great thing if the elite were put on notice that the pitchforks are coming if they don't start behaving in a more egalitarian manner. I fail to see how Trump was that kind of message, however. What would send that kind of message is if a middle-class populist candidate were elected.

Trump has flaws, that's without a question. However, as you seem to already accept, he is the messenger, regardless of his flaws and foibles.

Trump: Powerful message more important than flawed messenger ...

Right message, horribly wrong messenger: Linda Killian - USA Today


Oh well, he's the messenger that the electorate voted into the White House.
 
the real reason people were upset was because they didn't like trump (which is not one of the reasons you have)
 
the real reason people were upset was because they didn't like trump (which is not one of the reasons you have)

Because that's not a rational reason. People didn't like Hillary either. Granted the opposition and outrage seems completely irrational altogether but I'm not a Trump hater and cannot get inside their heads. Thus the thread.
 
You cannot find the answer to that confusion for the same reason that a fugitive cannot find the police.

Nice. Really nicely done
 
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