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Did Democrats Ruin California?

Did Democrats Ruin California?


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You can't even define what you mean, you're just stating a subjective opinion as though it were fact and ignoring all of the evidence that comes along that shows you wrong.

No, not at all, and I've not claimed that I wasn't stating a subjective opinion.

Thus far, no evidence has been supplied that has shown me wrong. Sure, lots of demographic data irrelevant to my assertion and a few individual anecdotes about how people feel about certain parts of LA, but that's about it.
 
Which still doesn't answer the question originally asked.

So, where do California’s foreign born come from? More than half, or 53 percent, were born in Latin America, while 37 percent was born in Asia, according to the PPIC study. Mexico at 4.3 million, the Philippines at 812,000 and China at 760,000 are the leading countries of origin..
TRUE: 27 percent of Californians 'were born in a foreign land' | PolitiFact California

10% of California residents are Mexican immigrants, officially.

Being a sanctuary state, the figure is probably higher, but the state has no interest in being forthcoming.

You can pretend that's the case and stomp your feet insisting that it is to your heart's content, but it's simply not.

It is true. The state supported conservative principles for most of its existence, until recently. The change in politics here starts in the 70's with the influx of people from the Northeast and continues into the 90's with the influx of immigrants from Latin America and Asia.
 
One of the biggest single causes has been allowing public unions to get involved in politics. That put them basically at both sides of the bargaining table. When you have termed out legislators, they couldn't care less what happens after they are gone. Now most cities have two work forces one working, one retired.

Second is over regulation and a hostile business climate incentivizing companies to leave. The state makes no overtures for them to say. We recently lost Aerojet General. The state's reaction, "meh".

Third is the UC system is very expensive and supported by taxes and student loans, but students get educated here then leave for jobs.

Fourth is the excessive cost of social programs. Illegal aliens have the same right to work as an able bodied citizen, and are often better employees because they will work nights, weekend, on the books, off the books, just f'ing pay me. Then they send millions of dollars back to Mexico where it bypasses the state economy so it acts like a tax - it may as well be pulled out of the economy and burned.

Fifth Cost of housing is two pronged, One is the excessive fees to build a house tacked onto the purchase price, second is the difficulty to get tracts of land approved for housing where the businesses are. San Francisco is hugely expensive, because the city fathers have choked off any redevelopment that may increase availability. As soon as you leave SF you find rolling hills suitable for building but the state will not allow that land to be used for housing.

Sixth crime and drugs. The criminals are incarcerated for appx 1/3 of their sentence, then cut loose on parole. 1/3 of those vanish off the books into gangs.

California is running the biggest Ponzi game in town. Budgets are raided by taking the money, and replacing it with state bonds you can't cash without making an application to do so.

I wish every person here would read this excerpt and actually research what you're taking about, before lazily voting No on this poll, and wandering off to something else:

California is running the biggest Ponzi game in town. Budgets are raided by taking the money, and replacing it with state bonds you can't cash without making an application to do so.
 
I wish every person here would read this excerpt and actually research what you're taking about, before lazily voting No on this poll, and wandering off to something else:

California is running the biggest Ponzi game in town. Budgets are raided by taking the money, and replacing it with state bonds you can't cash without making an application to do so.

It's much easier to state a "yes" or "no" without supporting, apparently. Your points are well taken, and I've read of each of them (numerous times) in the not very distant past. It has always amazed me that a state with such unbounded potential (agriculturally, educationally) can continue to amass politicians who are absolutely clueless in reference to the key issues of economics, national defense, education, public service, and more. Given their immense unfunded liabilities, very similar to my birthstate of Illinois, it is hard to see any light at the end of their seemingly eternal tunnel.
 
The ayes have it, Democrats Ruined California.

Thanks to all who voted or participated.
 
No, ethnic Mexicans.
'Mexican' isn't an ethnic grouping. Hell, even IN mexico, there are native Americans of various tribes that have been there since before settlers from Europe showed up, decedents of Spanish conquerors, people whose parents were one of each, and everything in between.

And there's racism and bigotry there just as here - some of it directed against the native Americans, just like here (although less so now).
 
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