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Who is lying... Trump or Comey?

Who is lying... Comey or Trump?

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Removable Mind said:
Wow...scraping the bottom of the partisan barrell to pull out the following. It's amusing. But you fail to see that investigations are what keeps both sides of the isle from being accountable and responsible. It works, by the way. Congress keep their corrupt little minds actively working to keep up their distractions.



Forget the Russians and Trump. Forget the election. The TRUTH about Trump is documented in some very key legal actions in which Trump was proven to be a dishonest, corrupt, pathological liar. But this is the kind of person that so many wanted to be president. They know it takes a crook to catch a crook. But it turns out that Trump has joined in with the crooks he vowed to dismantle.
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I posted just the other day after watching Session's testimony how worthlessly partisan Congress (both houses) is. Democrats were grasping at straws to hang Sessions from a tree for doing nothing while Republicans were lobbing softballs at Sessions to give him the opportunity to look good. What a worthless waste of time and money. Government has degenerated into a partisan free for all with nothing getting done, which is what both parties want. Whichever party is not in power resists and obstructs until they regain power and then it is the other party's turn to resist and obstruct. Unfortunately, the only two candidates who had any chance of winning were both pieces of ****.
 
maxparrish said:
As long as there is related material to investigate, they should do so. I agree that it is unlikely that Mueller will find collusion between the Trump campaign itself and Russia, but they are also investigating contacts with Russia by Manafort, Flynn, and Kushner (there may be others as yet unknown).

And yes, Comey should be interviewed regarding Loretta Lynch. While that may not be within the purview of the special council, I am sure a Republican Senate or House Committee could request Comey tell all he knows...
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There has been zero evidence that ANYONE colluded with the Russians in order to influence the election. The Russians did TRY to influence the election and it is possible that some of Trump's aides such as Flynn (in particular) may have broken some laws. I don't personally believe that Kushner falls into that category.
 
joG said:
Though, Comey made an intelligent and straight forward impression he was under severe pressure and obviously understands bureaucratic maneuvers. I suspect that he suspected that his term was approaching rough waters and that is, when organization man writes the selectively worded aide memoir.

What i find disturbing at this juncture is the fact that Trump would offer to swear instead of just supplying the recordings behind closed doors.
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I think Pres. Trump is lying. My reasoning is that same as joG's: the alleged tape recording of the conversation between Pres. Trump and Comey in the Oval Office.

I think we can all agree that both the dinner and the Oval Office conversation were private events. However, the conversation in the Oval Office has the potential of blowing Comey's testimony completely out of the water. Thus, if Pres. Trump did record their conversation why not simply provide the tapes and be done with this "one man's word against another" BS?

Folks seem to think Comey drafting a detailed memo of his conversation w/the President was some random thing done in the CYA moment. Well, if that's the case, why aren't we viewing Trump's alleged audio recording in the same light? He seems to get a pass while Comey is viewed as someone trying to make up for past missteps.

It's interesting that during AG Sessions' testimony when he was asked about the existence of audio tapes said he wasn't sure if such recording existed AND that he didn't think there was a legal requirement to retain them even if they did exist. I found that very odd given the history of the Watergate trial given that it was the discovery of secret recordings by then Pres. Nixon that were later altered that forced him to resign rather than face impeachment.

You want to get to the truth of the matter and stop this on-going cloud of "truthiness", hand over the tapes! Otherwise, given Pres. Trump's pattern of changing his story from one day to the next, I'm leaning more to Comey being more honest than our nation's 45th President.
 
Moderate Right said:
Or there were never any tapes because Trump was bluffing because he tried to discourage Comey from telling lies.
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And yet, Comey essentially said, "Bring it on!" A man with no fear and nothing to loss is willing to take big risks. I don't think Comey felt he had anything more to lose by standing firm with his account of events that transpired. As some has made clear, his reputation was already tarnished. Moreover, he's out of a job. So, why would he lie at this point? He has nothing to gain from it personally.
 
Objective Voice said:
And yet, Comey essentially said, "Bring it on!" A man with no fear and nothing to loss is willing to take big risks. I don't think Comey felt he had anything more to lose by standing firm with his account of events that transpired. As some has made clear, his reputation was already tarnished. Moreover, he's out of a job. So, why would he lie at this point? He has nothing to gain from it personally.
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Trump said the same thing.
 
Rogue Valley said:
They want it both ways. Just like they love the parts of Comey's testimony before the Senate that could help Trump, but the unhelpful Comey testimony are all lies.

Purposeful and convenient cherry-picking.
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That part where Trump stands behind what Comey said that he thinks vindicates him and asserted the other stuff is lies just makes me think that Trump is a moron.
 
Moderate Right said:
The only reason the left wants to investigate this stuff, when there is zero evidence of anything, is to carry on the resistance. I realize you can't admit this though. There is also some question from Comey's testimony as to whether Loretta Lynch should be investigated for obstruction of justice. Do you also favor this? After all, investigations should just be investigations to find the truth.
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I dont really care what the Left is doing, that is their deal. This is a free country. And I dont care if someone wants to investigate Lynch. Either it would find something or not.
 
Objective Voice said:
I think Pres. Trump is lying. My reasoning is that same as joG's: the alleged tape recording of the conversation between Pres. Trump and Comey in the Oval Office.

I think we can all agree that both the dinner and the Oval Office conversation were private events. However, the conversation in the Oval Office has the potential of blowing Comey's testimony completely out of the water. Thus, if Pres. Trump did record their conversation why not simply provide the tapes and be done with this "one man's word against another" BS?

Folks seem to think Comey drafting a detailed memo of his conversation w/the President was some random thing done in the CYA moment. Well, if that's the case, why aren't we viewing Trump's alleged audio recording in the same light? He seems to get a pass while Comey is viewed as someone trying to make up for past missteps.

It's interesting that during AG Sessions' testimony when he was asked about the existence of audio tapes said he wasn't sure if such recording existed AND that he didn't think there was a legal requirement to retain them even if they did exist. I found that very odd given the history of the Watergate trial given that it was the discovery of secret recordings by then Pres. Nixon that were later altered that forced him to resign rather than face impeachment.

You want to get to the truth of the matter and stop this on-going cloud of "truthiness", hand over the tapes! Otherwise, given Pres. Trump's pattern of changing his story from one day to the next, I'm leaning more to Comey being more honest than our nation's 45th President.
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Trump is, of course, lying. Why is this even an issue?
 
maxparrish said:
Trump is, of course, lying. Why is this even an issue?
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Because President Trump's actions have led the Special Prosecutor, Robert Muller, to investigate him for obstruction of justice and the audio tapes the President alleged he may have could clear either of them assuming they exist.

I'd suggest you read the Supreme Court decision concerning the release of the Nixon tapes where it ruled:

"Absent a claim of need to protect military, diplomatic, or sensitive national security secrets, the confidentiality of Presidential
communications is not significantly diminished by producing material for a criminal trial under the protected conditions of in camera inspection, and
any absolute executive privilege under Art. II of the Constitution would plainly conflict with the function of the courts under the Constitution.

Although the courts will afford the utmost deference to Presidential acts in the performance of an Art. II function, United States v. Burr, 25 F.Cas. 187,
190, 191-192 (No. 14,694), when a claim of Presidential privilege as to materials subpoenaed for use in a criminal trial is based, as it is here, not
on the ground that military or diplomatic secrets are implicated, but merely on the ground of a generalized interest in confidentiality, the President’s generalized assertion of privilege must yield to the demonstrated, specific need for evidence in a pending criminal trial and the fundamental demands of due process of law in the fair administration of criminal justice.

The District Court held that the judiciary, not the President, was the final arbiter of a claim of executive privilege."
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So, if any tapes do exist and the confirm what Comey said in his testimony to members of Congress, Pres. Trump could be in big trouble. That's why this is an issue.
 
Objective Voice said:
Because President Trump's actions have led the Special Prosecutor, Robert Muller, to investigate him for obstruction of justice and the audio tapes the President alleged he may have could clear either of them assuming they exist.

I'd suggest you read the Supreme Court decision concerning the release of the Nixon tapes where it ruled:



So, if any tapes do exist and the confirm what Comey said in his testimony to members of Congress, Pres. Trump could be in big trouble. That's why this is an issue.
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Perhaps I was not being clear. Why bother to ask if Trump or Comey is lying? We all know Trump's history of lying - he makes Baghdad Bob look like a boy scout by comparison. Absent any substantive evidence that Comey made the whole thing up (and did so over many months as he produced memos chronicling his interactions, and consulted with the FBI leadership team), Comey is telling the truth.

The only question remaining will be is if Mueller will find enough evidence to recommend an impeachment.
 
maxparrish said:
Perhaps I was not being clear. Why bother to ask if Trump or Comey is lying? We all know Trump's history of lying - he makes Baghdad Bob look like a boy scout by comparison. Absent any substantive evidence that Comey made the whole thing up (and did so over many months as he produced memos chronicling his interactions, and consulted with the FBI leadership team), Comey is telling the truth.

The only question remaining will be is if Mueller will find enough evidence to recommend an impeachment.
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Why bother to ask? You appear to have already made your mind up in a "Don't bother me with facts; my mind is made up" way.
 
nota bene said:
Why bother to ask? You appear to have already made your mind up in a "Don't bother me with facts; my mind is made up" way.
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When the facts change, I am more than willing to also change. But a reasonable person knows the lack of credibility of Donald Trump. Should you wish to make the case that Donald Trump is a man of honor, someone whose honesty and accuracy has gone underappreciated I would be most interested in reading it.
 
maxparrish said:
When the facts change, I am more than willing to also change. But a reasonable person knows the lack of credibility of Donald Trump. Should you wish to make the case that Donald Trump is a man of honor, someone whose honesty and accuracy has gone underappreciated I would be most interested in reading it.
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I'd like to make an appeal to logic. Perhaps neither Trump nor Comey is lying, and perhaps they both are.;)
 
nota bene said:
I'd like to make an appeal to logic. Perhaps neither Trump nor Comey is lying, and perhaps they both are.;)
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Not likely. It's pretty clear even if you won't admit it.
 
Your opinion, nota bene.

500+ lies and counting.
 
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