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"Not my President": Valid or no?

"Not my President": Valid or no?

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DA60 said:
Don't know, don't care.

Request, order, suggestion...whatever it was, my reply would be: 'shove it, Donnie.'
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I'm 60 years old and no president has ever given me a request, order, suggestion...whatever.
 
CMPancake said:
You don't have to respect the man in the office, but you have to respect the office. Trump is our President.
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I don't have to respect anything...including the 'office'.

Respect is earned - not given away.

And I DO NOT respect either the office or the nut job who presently occupies it.

The 'office' has been the scene of countless numbers of horrific decisions that have done monumental damage to America over the past 3 Presidencies at least.

I respected the office up until Clinton.

After that - forget it.

And the ONLY reason I give Clinton a relative pass is that he more-or-less balanced the budget.
 
DA60 said:
And you are acting un-American if you demand other Americans blindly follow every law and rule. In fact, I find that attitude revolting and fascist.

Fighting against oppressive rules and laws is - IMO - what made America great.

If all Americans throughout history had just rolled over and blindly followed every rule and law....there would still be slavery and women would still not have the vote.
Heck, there would not even be an America...just a MUCH larger Great Britain in it's place.

I do not agree with the Electoral college system and will NEVER respect it's results so long as it remains as it is.

And in that vein, as much as I despised her as a candidate...in my opinion, Hillary Clinton should be the rightful POTUS - not Donald Trump. She won the popular vote so she should be POTUS (just as in 2000, GWB lost the election - IMO - to Al Gore).

And if Trump tries to 'play' POTUS on me...I will tell that delusional, nut job to shove it...with GREAT pleasure.
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So could I direct you to the nearest airport or highway that would get you to Canada? I'm sure you would be much happier there.
 
AlbqOwl said:
So could I direct you to the nearest airport or highway that would get you to Canada? I'm sure you would be much happier there.
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Well, you do not know me, so you have NO IDEA what makes me happy...let alone can be 'sure' of it. So your point is totally irrelevant.


Also, are you saying that the electoral college law/procedure should always be blindly followed and respected - no matter how much you disagree with it?

Yes or no?
 
DA60 said:
Well, you do not know me, so you have NO IDEA what makes me happy...let alone can be 'sure' of it. So your point is totally irrelevant.


Also, are you saying that the electoral college law/procedure should always be blindly followed and respected - no matter how much you disagree with it?

Yes or no?
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I don't blindly follow and respect the electoral college process. I respect and follow it because it is established in the U.S. Constitution and gives all the people a say in who will be President, something most of the country would not have should the popular vote become the method used to elect our President.

And yes, every America should be required to pledge to uphold and defend the Constitution or they should move somewhere else.
 
I chose other because I see the 'not my president' thing as a valid way to express disapproval. Obviously it doesn't mean he is actually not the POTUS, but when he loses the popular vote by millions I find it hard to blame people for being angry. I find it much more acceptable than all of the birther stuff people used to try to discredit the last administration.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I don't blindly follow and respect the electoral college process. I respect and follow it because it is established in the U.S. Constitution and gives all the people a say in who will be President, something most of the country would not have should the popular vote become the method used to elect our President.
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SO you agree with it.

What if you did not agree with it and thought it hurt America in a meaningful way?

Would you follow it then?

Yes or no?

And yes, every America should be required to pledge to uphold and defend the Constitution or they should move somewhere else.
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It was once legal - within the Constitution - to have slavery and not allow women to have the vote.

Should Americans have always upheld the Constitution when this was the case - yes or no?
 
DA60 said:
SO you agree with it.

What if you did not agree with it and thought it hurt America in a meaningful way?

Would you follow it then?

Yes or no?



It was once legal - within the Constitution - to have slavery and not allow women to have the vote.

Should Americans have always upheld the Constitution when this was the case - yes or no?
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Yes the people should have upheld the Constitution but change it when they know it is right to do so. Which they did in the case of slavery and in the case of giving women the vote. To arbitrarily disobey the Constitution just because you want it to say something different than it says is the surest way to destroy your country. So if that is your intent, please PLEASE move to Canada.
 
DA60 said:
He lost the popular vote, therefore I do not recognize him as the legitimate POTUS.

The Electoral College is pathetic and I do not recognize it either.

I only follow rules/laws I agree with AND/OR if it is too much of a hassle to ignore them.

Therefore, if I ever met him, I would NEVER refer to him as Mr. President...probably I would call him Donald.
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I hope that you misspoke concerning the bolded portion...otherwise you have just outlined the justification for all criminal activity, including murder, rape, bank robbery, bribery, forgery, illegal immigration, voting fraud...well you get the picture.

Members of society obey the laws of the society in which they live because that is the social contract.

NOTE: Our social contract is modifiable, so if there is some law you deem unfair or otherwise unacceptable we have a method of addressing it. You campaign or support the campaign of others to change the law. Also, you can always renounce citizenship, and there is a process for that too.

In regards to the Electoral College, it it the law of the land and has been since the Constitution was enacted. It HAS been subsequently modified by the very process I outlined for you.

So, unless and until the law changes? The President was duly elected, and he remains President of the United States for ALL citizens until he leaves or is removed from office.
 
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He is my President. A lying malignant narcissistic president. But yes he is my President.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Yes the people should have upheld the Constitution but change it when they know it is right to do so. Which they did in the case of slavery and in the case of giving women the vote. To arbitrarily disobey the Constitution just because you want it to say something different than it says is the surest way to destroy your country. So if that is your intent, please PLEASE move to Canada.
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So you would follow laws you believe are bad for America. You would have allowed slavery to continue - even if you knew it was wrong. You would have sat back and let human beings be used as slaves and not actively fought against the law - legally or otherwise? Absolutely Pathetic.

Than it is you who should move away for you are weak and disloyal to righteousness and honor. Maybe North Korea.

Anyone who deliberately follows a law they disagree with that they believe fundamentally harms their country is a traitor to that country and all that is decent.

Your attitude disgusts me...unfortunately, many agree with you. People like you do what they are told - yet bad laws go on as they follow those laws without question. Pitiful.

Thank God lots of Americans did not feel as you did centuries ago.


I am not wasting anymore time on you are on this as your mind is hopelessly closed on this.

We are done here.


Have a nice day.
 
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year2late said:
He is my President. A lying malignant narcissistic president. But yes he is my President.
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This is a perfectly valid way of expressing your position on the matter.

I felt that George Bush Jr. was a mindless sock puppet controlled by VP Dick Chaney and the other corporate cartel members who bankrolled the election, and it was possible he only won due to chicanery by the Republicans under his brother in Florida.

But he was still the President of the United States, and that made him MY President too. :shrug:
 
Captain Adverse said:
I hope that you misspoke concerning the bolded portion...otherwise you have just outlined the justification for all criminal activity, including murder, rape, bank robbery, bribery, forgery, illegal immigration, voting fraud...well you get the picture.

Members of society obey the laws of the society in which they live because that is the social contract.

NOTE: Our social contract is modifiable, so if there is some law you deem unfair or otherwise unacceptable we have a method of addressing it. You campaign or support the campaign of others to change the law. Also, you can always renounce citizenship, and there is a process for that too.

In regards to the Electoral College, it it the law of the land and has been since the Constitution was enacted. It HAS been subsequently modified by the very process I outlined for you.

So, unless and until the law changes? The President was duly elected, and he remains President of the United States for ALL citizens until he leaves or is removed from office.
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I do not follow laws that I do not agree with...period.

Only cowards/the weak do otherwise, imo.


We are done here as your mind is clearly closed on this.

Good day.
 
DA60 said:
So you would follow laws you believe are bad for America. Pathetic.

Than it is you who should move to Canada for you are weak and disloyal to righteousness and honor.

Anyone who deliberately follows a law they disagree with that they believe fundamentally harms their country is a traitor to that country and all that is decent.

Your attitude disgusts me...unfortunately, many agree with you.

Thank God lots of Americans did not feel as you did centuries ago.


I am not wasting anymore time on you are on this as your mind is hopelessly closed on this.

We are done here.


Have a nice day.
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I'm having a lovely day, thank you.

The only law we should not obey is in extreme emergencies where somebody's life or belongings are in jeopardy. I would speed to get somebody to the hospital in an emergency for example, but otherwise I know I should obey the speed limit or else I deserve whatever consequence of breaking that law might be.

We are either a people of the Constitution and the law or we are not. It should not be up to the individual to choose what laws will be obeyed and which ones will not. If it is a bad law then by all means lobby and work to get it changed. That's what I do.

If you don't see it that way, then I would rather you be in Canada.
 
radcen said:
"Not my President": Valid or no?

Is the claim of "Not my President" a valid perspective, or is it a juvenile rejection of reality? Please elaborate your answers either way.

Please note that, unless you are an uber hypocrite, your answer should be the same regardless whose is serving at any given time. This phrase has been used for more than one President currently and in the past, so it is a generic and non-partisan question.

Question is also for US citizens in intent, though all are free to participate and can surely equate the question to their own country. :)
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I accept any legally elected president as: "My president" with one exception. When a president goes rogue and starts bypassing congress in an unconstitutional manner and shows no respect for the Separations of Powers as Obama did in his second term in regards to the Iranian Nuke deal, the Paris Accord, and even on some aspects of Obamacare, then the term "Not my president" is valid. I want a president, not a 14th century monarch.
 
DA60 said:
So you would follow laws you believe are bad for America. Pathetic.

Than it is you who should move to Canada for you are weak and disloyal to righteousness and honor.

Anyone who deliberately follows a law they disagree with that they believe fundamentally harms their country is a traitor to that country and all that is decent.

Your attitude disgusts me...unfortunately, many agree with you.

Thank God lots of Americans did not feel as you did centuries ago.


I am not wasting anymore time on someone as weak as you are on this.

We are done here.

Have a nice day.
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Sometimes I agree with things you discuss (employment and prison issues come to mind), but sometimes I am surprised by your unwillingness to regard opposing viewpoints with due respect.

I did not say you had to agree with the law, but it still applies to you whether you agree or not...right up unless and until you successfully act to change it.

The Constitution can be changed.

Meanwhile, YOU VOTED under those terms, and just because you did not get things the way you wanted after said vote does not validate the schoolyard tantrum "do-over or I won't play" attitude you are displaying.

See my response above in Post #137.

Captain Adverse said:
This is a perfectly valid way of expressing your position on the matter.

I felt that George Bush Jr. was a mindless sock puppet controlled by VP Dick Chaney and the other corporate cartel members who bankrolled the election, and it was possible he only won due to chicanery by the Republicans under his brother in Florida.

But he was still the President of the United States, and that made him MY President too. :shrug:
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The only elected officials who are "mine" are the one's I voted for.

The other's must be tolerated and replaced given the first opportunity since they oppose most of my agenda. They do not represent me.
 
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